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Tedat
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Tedat wrote:
the Yashica ML C 4/200mm is a nice compact tele (113,5mm long, 58mm filtersize and 535g)
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Lightshow
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Lightshow wrote:
2 from my Topcor R 135/3.5 all on A7r (all uncorrected)
Full size bee shot. https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3905/14885717968_393b184481_o.jpg
Similar shots from the Topcor R 200/4 all on A7r (all uncorrected)
I may have missed focus on this shot a bit, has a some CA.
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uddhava
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uddhava wrote:
| luisalegria wrote: |
Am I the only fool that thinks a heavy long FL lens is a good thing ?
Steadier to handhold and dampens vibration. |
I also agree, my heavy Jupiter 21 is very steady in my somewhat shaky hands. It is a pleasure to use actually. |
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Belcanto
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| Posted: Fri Aug 29, 2014 7:56 pm Post subject: |
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Belcanto wrote:
Thanks for all the Suggestions. The Topcor 200/5.6 has the looks! The Jupiter 21 is Heavyyyy!
I see the point with weight, or rather momentum. Right now I have three contenders in my mind
- Canon Fd 200/4, Not N-version and not internal focussing.
- Super-Takumar 150/4, Just because its on our local auction site
-Vario-sonnar 80 - 200mm F4, Seems to always get good reviews.
Are there 180mm alternatives??
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Belcanto
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Belcanto wrote:
| iangreenhalgh1 wrote: |
| Topcon RE Auto Topcor 5.6/200. Stunning lens, sharp as a laser, supremely well built. |
I read in another post about the 28mm hexanon that you held the 200mm Hexanon as one of the best. Does it still hold?
I really like hexanons and has got that one, and the 200/4. Still they couldn't hold up to the cannon fdn200/4 wide open, to be added
- on the m43 G5 camera. Stopped down a little the hexanons got better and the cannon worse!! Still on the G5.
I suppose I have to do some testing too see what works on the X-T1.
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wolfhansen
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wolfhansen wrote:
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| Topcon RE Auto Topcor 5.6/200. Stunning lens, sharp as a laser, supremely well built. |
5.6 oder 4.0 ?, because i found only the 4.0 with my search.
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memetph
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memetph wrote:
If you want something compact , I can recommend you the Super Takumar 150/4 . It fits good even small cameras and focusing is a joy.
I have also the Rokkor MD 200/4 version 2 which is quite light . I think less than 500g. It performs well too though focusing is stiff compared to the Takumar. I think that for those long tele lenses the easiness of focusing is an important criterium of choice.
About the Jupiter 21 , it is a very good lens indeed ...certainly made with the same steel used for soviet armoured vehicules.
Almost 1kg ! My Tak 3,5 which is big , weights "only "750g. Focusing is also very long with this soviet beast.
Most of those lenses require some CA correction in PP. |
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Olivier
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Olivier wrote:
Do you want something long, heavy and 180mm ?
Try a Sonnar 180mm f2.8 or better a Jupiter-6 180mm f2.8... 
Else, Soligor 200 f3.5 or Orestegor 200
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Lightshow
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Lightshow wrote:
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I just recieved my Topcor R 200/4 & 300/5.6 lenses and am going to try them out.
I really like my Topcor R 135/3.5 as a walk around lens, no sharpness issues. |
I'll be interested in seeing the Topcor 5.6/300 shots, and also hearing your opinion on it. I have one and have not fallen in love with it. |
I shot it again today, handheld and full support, it's nowhere near as good as my other Topcor lenses, stopping down didn't improve anything.  I'll up the best picture.
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I haven't used it a bunch, other than to check it after getting it back from the CLA.
Yeah, it's typical Topcor, very sharp wide open, and some CA, much like the RE 58/1.4.
I will get some pics up soon. |
I see. Look forward to your photos with the 85. |
I also brought the RE 85 with me, easily my best 85, I really should use it more. Pics to come.
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Lightshow
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Lightshow wrote:
| Belcanto wrote: |
Thanks for all the Suggestions.
Are there 180mm alternatives??
Kjell |
How about the CV APO-Lanthar 180.
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RAART
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RAART wrote:
How about Mamiya Sekor C 210mm F4 (Medium Format Lens). It is sharper than my other Mamiya Sekor Auto 200mm F3.5 (M42) on DX sensor but the focusing is better on M42 lens.
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Tedat
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Tedat wrote:
another small, cheap and very good option: the Soligor 3.5/180 (you can also find it as Hanimex)
http://forum.mflenses.com/soligorkomine-180-3-5-t7998.html
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tao
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tao wrote:
| wolfhansen wrote: |
| iangreenhalgh1 wrote: |
| Topcon RE Auto Topcor 5.6/200. Stunning lens, sharp as a laser, supremely well built. |
5.6 oder 4.0 ?, because i found only the 4.0 with my search. |
Ian's was a Topcor "RE" 200/5.6 which was known to be really nice.
Lightshow's was a Topcor "R" 200/4 which was quite scarce.
The one you found was probably a Topcor "UV" 200/4 which was mostly useless on digital.
Back to the topic, currently my favourite 200ish lens is the Sigma APO Macro 180/5.6. Very good if you are ok with the plastic construction. |
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woodrim
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| Posted: Sat Aug 30, 2014 5:42 pm Post subject: |
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woodrim wrote:
| tao wrote: |
| wolfhansen wrote: |
| iangreenhalgh1 wrote: |
| Topcon RE Auto Topcor 5.6/200. Stunning lens, sharp as a laser, supremely well built. |
5.6 oder 4.0 ?, because i found only the 4.0 with my search. |
Ian's was a Topcor "RE" 200/5.6 which was known to be really nice.
Lightshow's was a Topcor "R" 200/4 which was quite scarce.
The one you found was probably a Topcor "UV" 200/4 which was mostly useless on digital.
Back to the topic, currently my favourite 200ish lens is the Sigma APO Macro 180/5.6. Very good if you are ok with the plastic construction. |
I agree, that was probably the UV model - stay away. An RE Auto Topcor 5.6/200 can be had cheap if you're patient enough. I'd love to try the R 4/200, but don't see them show up.
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woodrim
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Vivitar Series 1 200/3 is a good, compact choice.
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I reported on this but didn't recommend it since it didn't meet the UP requirements as I understood them. I wouldn't consider it a compact due to its rather large diameter and weight. However, nothing I've used ha equaled it in performance.
Here's a wide open from last evening in setting sun. NEX-5N and Series 1 3/200:
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Oldhand
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I will agree with woodrim on the Vivitar 3/200.
It must be one of the closest focusing 200mm lenses around at 1.2m.
But it is not small or light (c800g)
It is however hard to find and is expensive as it is much sought after.
IMHO there is an alternative for image quality if you don't mind the weight (c750g) and the fact that it does not focus so closely (MFD <8feet)
I am suggesting the Mamiya Sekor 645 4/210. Of course you will also need an adapter.
BUT the lens is very very cheap, and for the IQ it gives - unbeatable value.
Here is one example
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texsport
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texsport wrote:
Regarding the size and weight of the Vivitar 200/3, I guess it's a matter of perspective.
Since I regularly walk around with 3 cameras strapped to me, often with big teles, and even medium format cameras - I consider the 200/3 smallish.
It's my favorite compact lens attached to an OM- D for baseball games, where new security regulations limit the length of the lens you can bring.
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woodrim
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woodrim wrote:
Yes, it's relative.
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woodrim
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woodrim wrote:
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I will agree with woodrim on the Vivitar 3/200.
It must be one of the closest focusing 200mm lenses around at 1.2m.
But it is not small or light (c800g)
It is however hard to find and is expensive as it is much sought after.
IMHO there is an alternative for image quality if you don't mind the weight (c750g) and the fact that it does not focus so closely (MFD <8feet)
I am suggesting the Mamiya Sekor 645 4/210. Of course you will also need an adapter.
BUT the lens is very very cheap, and for the IQ it gives - unbeatable value.
Here is one example
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OH, I presume you have the 3/200? I'm wondering how the Mamiya does at f/4 in comparison. I recently tried a highly regarded Rokkor 4/200, but found it to be not as sharp as the 3/200 Series 1.
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woodrim
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woodrim wrote:
I just purchased a Soligor 2.8/200. Not small or light. I couldn't resist the price, but don't expect it to match my 3/200 S1.
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Oldhand
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| I just purchased a Soligor 2.8/200. Not small or light. I couldn't resist the price, but don't expect it to match my 3/200 S1. |
Yes, I have the Vivitar and it is as good as you say.
I should do a comparison I suppose with the Mamiya.
I can't recall the aperture for the sample shot that I posted, but it may well have been at f4
Here is one at full aperture from the Vivitar.
Despite their quality, I don't think that these lenses are what the OP is after.
They both miss out in the small and light stakes.
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woodrim
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| Posted: Sun Aug 31, 2014 11:36 pm Post subject: |
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Nice one.
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drjs wrote:
I personally like Tamron SP 19AH 70-210mm F3.5. It is slightly large for my A7 but matches well with most of the SLRs.
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Lightshow wrote:
Nice timing OH.
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Belcanto wrote:
Beautiful!!
I think i'm getting more and more confused. Problem with getting a larger sensor in this case is getting smaller dof, wich is a nice thing to have when trying to do manual focussing. Otherwise most normal 200 have got a closest focus distance of 2.5m. All 2.8 weigh aboout 8oograms. There is CA lurking everywhere.
And it seems that lenses with internal focussing has a very short throw at the long end. And that includes most zoom lenses? Nikons throw is going the wrong way.  And the best one's are very expensive....
The cannon fd 200mm f4 SSC has 1.5m mfd. Haven't read a lot about it though.
The super takumar 150mm haven't escaped yet.
This might take time....
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