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Coyote23
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 Posted: Sun Jul 30, 2023 6:51 am Post subject: Portraits - Thinking of the Nikkor 105 1.8 but do I need it? |
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Coyote23 wrote:
Howdy folks
So I have been taking a lot of athlete portraiture lately with my classic M42 50 1.4's, my Komines (Vivitar 90MM 2.5, Vivitar 135MM CF) and my Kiron (Lester 105mm).
Is there any justification at all to shell out 300$ for that old AiS Nikkor 105 1.8 when I have such a similar arsenal as is?
I am mostly concerned with microcontrast at B&W because this is 95% of what I put out.
I like the results I am putting out and the clients are very happy which leads me to seek out even more weapons, but is this logical at all? Because I could get a really nice Fujinon XF 33mm 1.4 for that money, a focal length I don't have but might want to have.
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kiddo
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kiddo wrote:
I think that 1.8 version in new shape for 300$ is a very good buy nowadays.
The fast lenses fujinon gotta be very good lenses , you should compare same focal length ,tht means 100-105 mm Fuji fast lens with Nikkor 1.8 (I'm not sure the price would be very close). There are fast lenses that once closed down to 1.4-1.8 would give better results than 1.4-1.8 lenses , I'm not sure Nikkor 1.8 is the same case. If your clients are happy with the results of the lenses you have , that means the real interested to get the faster one is you. Would the clients notice the difference ? Most of the times no, if you shoot at the same aperture ,very few people manage to see differences. Shooting wide open the 1.8 is a new challenge for you and clients . Worth it to try? Why not? In case the results doesn't fit your expectations, it would be easy to sell it anyway. |
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caspert79
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caspert79 wrote:
You 'need' it only when you want very shallow DOF in my opinion. |
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Alex Kraus
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If you ask yourself whether you need it or not, you don't need it  |
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piggsy
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| Posted: Sun Jul 30, 2023 9:45 am Post subject: Re: Portraits - Thinking of the Nikkor 105 1.8 but do I need |
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piggsy wrote:
| Coyote23 wrote: |
Howdy folks
So I have been taking a lot of athlete portraiture lately with my classic M42 50 1.4's, my Komines (Vivitar 90MM 2.5, Vivitar 135MM CF) and my Kiron (Lester 105mm).
Is there any justification at all to shell out 300$ for that old AiS Nikkor 105 1.8 when I have such a similar arsenal as is?
I am mostly concerned with microcontrast at B&W because this is 95% of what I put out.
I like the results I am putting out and the clients are very happy which leads me to seek out even more weapons, but is this logical at all? Because I could get a really nice Fujinon XF 33mm 1.4 for that money, a focal length I don't have but might want to have.
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In all likelihood there's a guy with the AiS Nikkor 105 1.8 who dreams of owning the Bokina and 135 CF and thinks owning them would finally, at last, let them take better photos.
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Doc Sharptail
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Doc Sharptail wrote:
The fast 105, and fast 85 are at times seriously over-rated.
I've had the 105 previously in a slightly slower iteration, and was far less than impressed.
The Series E 100mm f2.8 is a much better lens optically, if you can find one without oil on the aperture blades.
I actually prefer the old E for it's definition~ which is all a matter of personal taste.
I found the 105 to be a bit of a distance specific beast. As always, YMMV.
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caspert79
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caspert79 wrote:
To be honest, the Bokina is a great portrait lens, and very versatile because its a macro. |
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stevemark
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| Posted: Sun Jul 30, 2023 7:51 pm Post subject: Re: Portraits - Thinking of the Nikkor 105 1.8 but do I need |
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stevemark wrote:
First question: Which camera do you use? A 24 MP APS-C sensor has quite different requirements than a 12 MP FF sensor, or a 24 MP sensor ...
| Coyote23 wrote: |
Howdy folks
So I have been taking a lot of athlete portraiture lately with my classic M42 50 1.4's, my Komines (Vivitar 90MM 2.5, Vivitar 135MM CF) and my Kiron (Lester 105mm). |
Why do you work with 90mm, 105mm and 135mm lenses simultanously? Could you replace all of then with a 1.8/105mm Nikkor?
| Coyote23 wrote: |
Is there any justification at all to shell out 300$ for that old AiS Nikkor 105 1.8 when I have such a similar arsenal as is? I am mostly concerned with microcontrast at B&W because this is 95% of what I put out.
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I have the Nikkor 1.8/105mm, along with many other comparable Canon/Konika/Minolta/Nikon lenses. The Nikkor is pretty large/heavy, focus is "the other way round" (Nikonians will dispute this, of course), and it's a Xenotar type lens which means more color fringing than with other 2/100mm lenses (not relevant for b/w portraits). However, on 24 MP FF it has a very good detail resolution already at f1.8, albeit with low microcontrast. Bokeh is smooth. And, last but not least, it's simply a beautiful piece of engineering (and so is the 2/135mm).
If I was you, I would keep the 2.5/90, sell the two others and get either the 1.8/105 or the 2/135, depending on your needs.
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visualopsins
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| Posted: Sun Jul 30, 2023 11:35 pm Post subject: |
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visualopsins wrote:
Lens Review: Nikon 105mm f/1.8 AI-s https://matthewdurrphotography.com/2012/05/24/lens-review-nikon-105mm-f1-8-ai-s/
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Cameras: Sony ILCE-7RM2, Spotmatics II, F, and ESII, Nikon P4
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M42 Asahi Optical Co., Takumar 1:4 f=35mm, 1:2 f=58mm (Sonnar), 1:2.4 f=58mm (Heliar), 1:2.2 f=55mm (Gaussian), 1:2.8 f=105mm (Model I), 1:2.8/105 (Model II), 1:5.6/200, Tele-Takumar 1:5.6/200, 1:6.3/300, Macro-Takumar 1:4/50, Auto-Takumar 1:2.3 f=35, 1:1.8 f=55mm, 1:2.2 f=55mm, Super-TAKUMAR 1:3.5/28 (fat), 1:2/35 (Fat), 1:1.4/50 (8-element), Super-Multi-Coated Fisheye-TAKUMAR 1:4/17, Super-Multi-Coated TAKUMAR 1:4.5/20, 1:3.5/24, 1:3.5/28, 1:2/35, 1:3.5/35, 1:1.8/85, 1:1.9/85 1:2.8/105, 1:3.5/135, 1:2.5/135 (II), 1:4/150, 1:4/200, 1:4/300, 1:4.5/500, Super-Multi-Coated Macro-TAKUMAR 1:4/50, 1:4/100, Super-Multi-Coated Bellows-TAKUMAR 1:4/100, SMC TAKUMAR 1:1.4/50, 1:1.8/55
M42 Carl Zeiss Jena Flektogon 2.4/35
Contax Carl Zeiss Vario-Sonnar T* 28-70mm F3.5-4.5
Pentax K-mount SMC PENTAX-A ZOOM 1:3.5 35~105mm, SMC PENTAX ZOOM 1:4 45~125mm
Nikon Micro-NIKKOR-P-C Auto 1:3.5 f=55mm, NIKKOR-P Auto 105mm f/2.5 Pre-AI (Sonnar), Micro-NIKKOR 105mm 1:4 AI, NIKKOR AI-S 35-135mm f/3,5-4,5
Tamron SP 17mm f/3.5 (51B), Tamron SP 17mm f/3.5 (151B), SP 500mm f/8 (55BB), SP 70-210mm f/3.5 (19AH)
Vivitar 100mm 1:2.8 MC 1:1 Macro Telephoto (Kiron)
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Gatorengineer64
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Gatorengineer64 wrote:
I have a canon 100 f2 ltm that i really like on both my fuji gfx and a7r4. Small travel kit friendly.. When you want to isolate a subject its plenty good enough.
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caspert79
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| Posted: Mon Jul 31, 2023 2:01 pm Post subject: |
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caspert79 wrote:
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| I have a canon 100 f2 ltm that i really like on both my fuji gfx and a7r4. Small travel kit friendly.. When you want to isolate a subject its plenty good enough. |
Yes, also a very good lightweight option with the right adapter. |
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jamaeolus
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jamaeolus wrote:
Sell one of the others AND get the fuji.
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visualopsins
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visualopsins wrote:
The nikkor has CA. How does that affect b&w micro contrast? Is the CA a problem with portraits?
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Cameras: Sony ILCE-7RM2, Spotmatics II, F, and ESII, Nikon P4
Lenses:
M42 Asahi Optical Co., Takumar 1:4 f=35mm, 1:2 f=58mm (Sonnar), 1:2.4 f=58mm (Heliar), 1:2.2 f=55mm (Gaussian), 1:2.8 f=105mm (Model I), 1:2.8/105 (Model II), 1:5.6/200, Tele-Takumar 1:5.6/200, 1:6.3/300, Macro-Takumar 1:4/50, Auto-Takumar 1:2.3 f=35, 1:1.8 f=55mm, 1:2.2 f=55mm, Super-TAKUMAR 1:3.5/28 (fat), 1:2/35 (Fat), 1:1.4/50 (8-element), Super-Multi-Coated Fisheye-TAKUMAR 1:4/17, Super-Multi-Coated TAKUMAR 1:4.5/20, 1:3.5/24, 1:3.5/28, 1:2/35, 1:3.5/35, 1:1.8/85, 1:1.9/85 1:2.8/105, 1:3.5/135, 1:2.5/135 (II), 1:4/150, 1:4/200, 1:4/300, 1:4.5/500, Super-Multi-Coated Macro-TAKUMAR 1:4/50, 1:4/100, Super-Multi-Coated Bellows-TAKUMAR 1:4/100, SMC TAKUMAR 1:1.4/50, 1:1.8/55
M42 Carl Zeiss Jena Flektogon 2.4/35
Contax Carl Zeiss Vario-Sonnar T* 28-70mm F3.5-4.5
Pentax K-mount SMC PENTAX-A ZOOM 1:3.5 35~105mm, SMC PENTAX ZOOM 1:4 45~125mm
Nikon Micro-NIKKOR-P-C Auto 1:3.5 f=55mm, NIKKOR-P Auto 105mm f/2.5 Pre-AI (Sonnar), Micro-NIKKOR 105mm 1:4 AI, NIKKOR AI-S 35-135mm f/3,5-4,5
Tamron SP 17mm f/3.5 (51B), Tamron SP 17mm f/3.5 (151B), SP 500mm f/8 (55BB), SP 70-210mm f/3.5 (19AH)
Vivitar 100mm 1:2.8 MC 1:1 Macro Telephoto (Kiron)
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KEO
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KEO wrote:
I own and like the 105 1.8 AiS Nikkor, but for portraiture you cannot beat the 105mm F/2 DC Nikkor. That lens is magic. |
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Phalbert
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Phalbert wrote:
Given an opportunity and the market, I'd buy one anyway, use it, and re-sell it if I don't like it. I believe there is a constant demand for this kind.
Wish I had one, but they are usually too expensive for me.
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caspert79
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caspert79 wrote:
Yeah, you can buy these kind of lenses risk free basically. My collection is continuously changing. Only a relatively small selection I will never sell. |
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visualopsins
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visualopsins wrote:
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List please! 
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Cameras: Sony ILCE-7RM2, Spotmatics II, F, and ESII, Nikon P4
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M42 Asahi Optical Co., Takumar 1:4 f=35mm, 1:2 f=58mm (Sonnar), 1:2.4 f=58mm (Heliar), 1:2.2 f=55mm (Gaussian), 1:2.8 f=105mm (Model I), 1:2.8/105 (Model II), 1:5.6/200, Tele-Takumar 1:5.6/200, 1:6.3/300, Macro-Takumar 1:4/50, Auto-Takumar 1:2.3 f=35, 1:1.8 f=55mm, 1:2.2 f=55mm, Super-TAKUMAR 1:3.5/28 (fat), 1:2/35 (Fat), 1:1.4/50 (8-element), Super-Multi-Coated Fisheye-TAKUMAR 1:4/17, Super-Multi-Coated TAKUMAR 1:4.5/20, 1:3.5/24, 1:3.5/28, 1:2/35, 1:3.5/35, 1:1.8/85, 1:1.9/85 1:2.8/105, 1:3.5/135, 1:2.5/135 (II), 1:4/150, 1:4/200, 1:4/300, 1:4.5/500, Super-Multi-Coated Macro-TAKUMAR 1:4/50, 1:4/100, Super-Multi-Coated Bellows-TAKUMAR 1:4/100, SMC TAKUMAR 1:1.4/50, 1:1.8/55
M42 Carl Zeiss Jena Flektogon 2.4/35
Contax Carl Zeiss Vario-Sonnar T* 28-70mm F3.5-4.5
Pentax K-mount SMC PENTAX-A ZOOM 1:3.5 35~105mm, SMC PENTAX ZOOM 1:4 45~125mm
Nikon Micro-NIKKOR-P-C Auto 1:3.5 f=55mm, NIKKOR-P Auto 105mm f/2.5 Pre-AI (Sonnar), Micro-NIKKOR 105mm 1:4 AI, NIKKOR AI-S 35-135mm f/3,5-4,5
Tamron SP 17mm f/3.5 (51B), Tamron SP 17mm f/3.5 (151B), SP 500mm f/8 (55BB), SP 70-210mm f/3.5 (19AH)
Vivitar 100mm 1:2.8 MC 1:1 Macro Telephoto (Kiron)
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stevemark
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stevemark wrote:
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| The nikkor has CA. How does that affect b&w micro contrast? Is the CA a problem with portraits? |
Here a few 100% from the (rather demanding) 43 MP FF sensor of the Sony A7RII. All samples wide open at f1.8.
FOR FULL RESOILUTION, CLICK TWICE ON THE IMAGE!
Overview:
Center at f1.8 (JPG out of camera):
Corner at f1.8:
Center at f1.8 (RAW conversion via Photoshop):
Center at f1.8 (RAW conversion via Photoshop):
CAs certainly aren'r a problem for b/w portraits, even with high res 50 MP FF cameras.
Color portraits may require some attention occasionally, but certainly the AiS 1.8/105mm is very capable. See my earlier thread here:
http://forum.mflenses.com/viewtopic.php?t=84331 (all images therein at f1.8 as well).
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caspert79
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caspert79 wrote:
Certainly very respectable performance, thanks for sharing! |
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caspert79
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caspert79 wrote:
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List please! |
Voigtlander Color-Skopar 21mm f/3.5
SMC Pentax (K) 28mm f/3.5
Minolta MD 35mm f/2.8
Mamiya Sekor 55mm f/1.8
Mamiya EF 50mm f/1.4
Mamiya E 50mm f/1.7
Zuiko 50mm f/1.4 (latest version, although I still have to properly test it)
Auto Yashinon 5cm f/2
Petri 55mm f/1.4 (although I still have to properly test it)
Yashica ML 55mm f/2.8 macro
Minolta MD 75-150mm f/4
Leitz Canada Summicron 90mm f/2 (1976)
Tokina AT-X 90mm f/2.5 macro
Minolta MC-X 100mm f/2.5
Minolta AF 100mm f/2.8 macro
Minolta MD 100mm f/4 macro
Topcor RE 100mm f/2.8
Pentax-M 100mm f/2.8
Konica Hexanon 135mm f/3.2
Zeiss Sonnar 135mm f/3.5
Super Multi Coated Takumar 150mm f/4
Mamiya Sekor 210mm f/4 (645)
Mamiya Sekor 300mm f/5.6 (645)
If you want me to elaborate on certain lenses, let me know. |
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stevemark
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stevemark wrote:
| caspert79 wrote: |
| visualopsins wrote: |
| caspert79 wrote: |
| .... Only a relatively small selection I will never sell. |
List please! |
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If you want me to elaborate on certain lenses, let me know. |
Might be good to start a new thread ?! Certainly an interesting topic 
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kiddo
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kiddo wrote:
| caspert79 wrote: |
| visualopsins wrote: |
| caspert79 wrote: |
| .... Only a relatively small selection I will never sell. |
List please! |
Voigtlander Color-Skopar 21mm f/3.5
SMC Pentax (K) 28mm f/3.5
Minolta MD 35mm f/2.8
Mamiya Sekor 55mm f/1.8
Mamiya EF 50mm f/1.4
Mamiya E 50mm f/1.7
Zuiko 50mm f/1.4 (latest version, although I still have to properly test it)
Auto Yashinon 5cm f/2
Petri 55mm f/1.4 (although I still have to properly test it)
Yashica ML 55mm f/2.8 macro
Minolta MD 75-150mm f/4
Leitz Canada Summicron 90mm f/2 (1976)
Tokina AT-X 90mm f/2.5 macro
Minolta MC-X 100mm f/2.5
Minolta AF 100mm f/2.8 macro
Minolta MD 100mm f/4 macro
Topcor RE 100mm f/2.8
Pentax-M 100mm f/2.8
Konica Hexanon 135mm f/3.2
Zeiss Sonnar 135mm f/3.5
Super Multi Coated Takumar 150mm f/4
Mamiya Sekor 210mm f/4 (645)
Mamiya Sekor 300mm f/5.6 (645)
If you want me to elaborate on certain lenses, let me know. |
5 of the 100 mm focal length? Won't be easy to choose which one to grab lol |
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