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Laurence
Joined: 26 Mar 2007 Posts: 4809 Location: Western Washington State
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Posted: Wed Jan 02, 2008 10:25 pm Post subject: Pentax Super Takumar 105/2.8 |
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Laurence wrote:
Hello all! I couldn't resist picking up a Super Tak 105/2.8. It looks clean and clear with good looking glass.
I had heard it was an extremely nice performer from word of mouth, so I thought I'd take a chance...
I was gratified to see a review of the lens here on MFLenses...was this a review by Atilla?
http://www.mflenses.com/super-takumar-105mm-f2.8-lens-review-4.html
If anyone has additional experience with the lens I would love to hear about it, positive or negative.
Cheers! Laurence _________________
Assent, and you are sane;
Demur,—you ’re straightway dangerous,
And handled with a chain.
Emily Dickinson
Cameras and Lenses in Use:
Yashica Mat 124 w/ Yashinon 80/3.5,
CV Apo-Lanthar 90/3.5SL, (Thank you Klaus),
Pentax 645,
Flek 50,
Pentax-A 150
Pentax-A 120 Macro
Voigtlander Vitomatic I w/Color Skopar 50/2.8
Konica TC and zoom lenses (thanks Carsten)
Contax AX
Yashica ML 50/2
Yashica ML 35/2.8
Carl Zeiss Contax 50/1.4
Tamron Adaptall SP 17/3.5
Tamron Adaptall 28/2.5
Tamron Adaptall SP 300/2.8 LD (IF)
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peterm1
Joined: 06 Dec 2007 Posts: 224
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Posted: Wed Jan 02, 2008 11:22 pm Post subject: |
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peterm1 wrote:
I would be very surprised if you are disappointed by this lens. It is sharp, contrasty and like all Tak lenses of the screwmount era built exceedingly well. I have several versions (Super takumar, SMC, early preset in 36mm filter mount and in 39mm filter mount) and all are good. (The only version I am missing is the auto takumar one which requires you to cock the diaphragm.) This lens is about as good, I would suggest, as the legendary Nikkor 105 f2.5. _________________ PeterM |
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peterm1
Joined: 06 Dec 2007 Posts: 224
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Posted: Thu Jan 03, 2008 1:33 am Post subject: |
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peterm1 wrote:
I have just posted some lens tests from the 1970s. Included in it is one a test of the Takumar 105. I have also included a test of the Nikkor 105 and I have to take back my comment about the Pentax being as good - at least wide open. The Takumar has to be stopped down a bit before it competes. But still I can still assure you that subjectively it produces nice looking images.
Cheers.
http://forum.mflenses.com/some-lens-tests-for-you-t4468.html _________________ PeterM |
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peterm1
Joined: 06 Dec 2007 Posts: 224
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Posted: Fri Jan 04, 2008 5:33 am Post subject: |
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peterm1 wrote:
Shot today with my SMC Takumar 105 f2.8 at around f5.6. (A candid shot from about 7 meters / 25 feet distance of a stranger with an interesting face.)
With this kind of result being typical of what it is capable of, I don't think you will have anything to complain about with this lens.
_________________ PeterM |
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iha
Joined: 03 Apr 2007 Posts: 284
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Posted: Fri Jan 04, 2008 9:34 am Post subject: |
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iha wrote:
I have some 100-105mm lens, Takumar 105/2.8 I think it has more value to collect than using, because the pictures are normal. Do not see its shots sharpier than 50mm lens or 105mm Nikkor, and has no personality, no "soft effect".
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peterm1
Joined: 06 Dec 2007 Posts: 224
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Posted: Fri Jan 04, 2008 10:41 am Post subject: |
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peterm1 wrote:
I do not really agree, but as they say - to each his own! _________________ PeterM |
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iha
Joined: 03 Apr 2007 Posts: 284
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Posted: Fri Jan 04, 2008 5:18 pm Post subject: |
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iha wrote:
Yeap, my opinion is subjective. I have not got a favourite from the 100-105mm lenses.
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Laurence
Joined: 26 Mar 2007 Posts: 4809 Location: Western Washington State
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Posted: Sun Jan 06, 2008 2:05 am Post subject: |
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Laurence wrote:
Peterand iha:
THANK YOU for the great information! I am looking forward to testing out my Super-Tak 105!
I have a feeling I'll at LEAST like the focal length. My Jupiter9 85/2 is a wonderful focal length for portraiture, but sometimes I like to get even a bit closer in to the "face" shots and I hope the added length will give me a handy focal length for those types of shots. And, of course, the 105 length is naturally going to be good for other uses as well.
If it doesn't work out, I see they are a popular item on eBay, so I guess I can always get some money back. _________________
Assent, and you are sane;
Demur,—you ’re straightway dangerous,
And handled with a chain.
Emily Dickinson
Cameras and Lenses in Use:
Yashica Mat 124 w/ Yashinon 80/3.5,
CV Apo-Lanthar 90/3.5SL, (Thank you Klaus),
Pentax 645,
Flek 50,
Pentax-A 150
Pentax-A 120 Macro
Voigtlander Vitomatic I w/Color Skopar 50/2.8
Konica TC and zoom lenses (thanks Carsten)
Contax AX
Yashica ML 50/2
Yashica ML 35/2.8
Carl Zeiss Contax 50/1.4
Tamron Adaptall SP 17/3.5
Tamron Adaptall 28/2.5
Tamron Adaptall SP 300/2.8 LD (IF)
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titrisol70
Joined: 14 Dec 2021 Posts: 152 Location: State of Denial
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Posted: Wed Apr 05, 2023 2:16 pm Post subject: |
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titrisol70 wrote:
Wonderful lens, 105 works great in APS cameras as a medium tele (~150 equivalent)
The Takumar (I have an S-M-C) has amazing color rendering and a very nice image quality _________________ Pentaxian and proud
Cameras: Spotmatic, I and F, Pentax ME, MESuper, ME-F, P30t, K-x, MZ-5, Mz-7 // K100D, Kx, K5IIs, K3-iii
M42 Asahi Optical Co., Lenses:
Super Takumar 1:4.5/20, 1:3.5/28, 1:1.8/55, 1:1.4/50 (7-element), 1:3.5/135
Super-Multi-Coated Fisheye-TAKUMAR 1:4/17
Super-Multi-Coated TAKUMAR 1:3.5/28, 1:3.5/35, 1:1.8/55, 1:1.4/50, 1:2.8/105, 1:3.5/135,, 1:4/200, 1:4.5/500
Super-Multi-Coated Macro-TAKUMAR 1:4/50
Lots of M, A, F, FA, DA series lenses |
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jamaeolus
Joined: 19 Mar 2014 Posts: 2931 Location: Eugene
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Posted: Wed Apr 05, 2023 5:17 pm Post subject: |
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jamaeolus wrote:
I have this lens. I believe it a super tak version. I recall liking it a lot. It doesn't compete with my olympus 90 f2 macro or contax zeiss 100 f2 though. But the prices on those 2 are substantially more. _________________ photos are moments frozen in time |
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visualopsins
Joined: 05 Mar 2009 Posts: 10543 Location: California
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Posted: Wed Apr 05, 2023 5:34 pm Post subject: |
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visualopsins wrote:
I agree with iha. Imho the original 4-elemnts model I and Auto-Tak versions are better than the 5/4 elements Super- and Super-Multi-Coated versions, while all are somewhat soft, never really getting sharp. I like the chrome-nose Sonnar Nikkor-P Auto 1:2.8 f=105mm https://www.destoutz.ch/lens_105mm_f2.5_215011.html _________________ ☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮ like attracts like! ☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮
Cameras: Sony ILCE-7RM2, Spotmatics II, F, and ESII, Nikon P4
Lenses:
M42 Asahi Optical Co., Takumar 1:4 f=35mm, 1:2 f=58mm (Sonnar), 1:2.4 f=58mm (Heliar), 1:2.2 f=55mm (Gaussian), 1:2.8 f=105mm (Model I), 1:2.8/105 (Model II), 1:5.6/200, Tele-Takumar 1:5.6/200, 1:6.3/300, Macro-Takumar 1:4/50, Auto-Takumar 1:2.3 f=35, 1:1.8 f=55mm, 1:2.2 f=55mm, Super-TAKUMAR 1:3.5/28 (fat), 1:2/35 (Fat), 1:1.4/50 (8-element), Super-Multi-Coated Fisheye-TAKUMAR 1:4/17, Super-Multi-Coated TAKUMAR 1:4.5/20, 1:3.5/24, 1:3.5/28, 1:2/35, 1:3.5/35, 1:1.8/85, 1:1.9/85 1:2.8/105, 1:3.5/135, 1:2.5/135 (II), 1:4/150, 1:4/200, 1:4/300, 1:4.5/500, Super-Multi-Coated Macro-TAKUMAR 1:4/50, 1:4/100, Super-Multi-Coated Bellows-TAKUMAR 1:4/100, SMC TAKUMAR 1:1.4/50, 1:1.8/55
M42 Carl Zeiss Jena Flektogon 2.4/35
Contax Carl Zeiss Vario-Sonnar T* 28-70mm F3.5-4.5
Pentax K-mount SMC PENTAX ZOOM 1:3.5 35~105mm, SMC PENTAX ZOOM 1:4 45~125mm
Nikon Micro-NIKKOR-P-C Auto 1:3.5 f=55mm, NIKKOR-P Auto 105mm f/2.5 Pre-AI (Sonnar), Micro-NIKKOR 105mm 1:4 AI, NIKKOR AI-S 35-135mm f/3,5-4,5
Tamron SP 17mm f/3.5 (51B), Tamron SP 17mm f/3.5 (51BB), SP 500mm f/8 (55BB), SP 70-210mm f/3.5 (19AH)
Vivitar 100mm 1:2.8 MC 1:1 Macro Telephoto (Kiron)
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papasito
Joined: 09 Jan 2015 Posts: 1658
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Posted: Wed Apr 05, 2023 9:00 pm Post subject: |
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papasito wrote:
I like the nikon 105, but the takumar has something special in the IQ for me.
Said that, the 85 and the 135 are the prefer focals for portrait to my taste |
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visualopsins
Joined: 05 Mar 2009 Posts: 10543 Location: California
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Posted: Wed Apr 05, 2023 9:35 pm Post subject: |
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visualopsins wrote:
papasito wrote: |
I like the nikon 105, but the takumar has something special in the IQ for me.
Said that, the 85 and the 135 are the prefer focals for portrait to my taste |
Any guidance getting the best out of that something special? _________________ ☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮ like attracts like! ☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮
Cameras: Sony ILCE-7RM2, Spotmatics II, F, and ESII, Nikon P4
Lenses:
M42 Asahi Optical Co., Takumar 1:4 f=35mm, 1:2 f=58mm (Sonnar), 1:2.4 f=58mm (Heliar), 1:2.2 f=55mm (Gaussian), 1:2.8 f=105mm (Model I), 1:2.8/105 (Model II), 1:5.6/200, Tele-Takumar 1:5.6/200, 1:6.3/300, Macro-Takumar 1:4/50, Auto-Takumar 1:2.3 f=35, 1:1.8 f=55mm, 1:2.2 f=55mm, Super-TAKUMAR 1:3.5/28 (fat), 1:2/35 (Fat), 1:1.4/50 (8-element), Super-Multi-Coated Fisheye-TAKUMAR 1:4/17, Super-Multi-Coated TAKUMAR 1:4.5/20, 1:3.5/24, 1:3.5/28, 1:2/35, 1:3.5/35, 1:1.8/85, 1:1.9/85 1:2.8/105, 1:3.5/135, 1:2.5/135 (II), 1:4/150, 1:4/200, 1:4/300, 1:4.5/500, Super-Multi-Coated Macro-TAKUMAR 1:4/50, 1:4/100, Super-Multi-Coated Bellows-TAKUMAR 1:4/100, SMC TAKUMAR 1:1.4/50, 1:1.8/55
M42 Carl Zeiss Jena Flektogon 2.4/35
Contax Carl Zeiss Vario-Sonnar T* 28-70mm F3.5-4.5
Pentax K-mount SMC PENTAX ZOOM 1:3.5 35~105mm, SMC PENTAX ZOOM 1:4 45~125mm
Nikon Micro-NIKKOR-P-C Auto 1:3.5 f=55mm, NIKKOR-P Auto 105mm f/2.5 Pre-AI (Sonnar), Micro-NIKKOR 105mm 1:4 AI, NIKKOR AI-S 35-135mm f/3,5-4,5
Tamron SP 17mm f/3.5 (51B), Tamron SP 17mm f/3.5 (51BB), SP 500mm f/8 (55BB), SP 70-210mm f/3.5 (19AH)
Vivitar 100mm 1:2.8 MC 1:1 Macro Telephoto (Kiron)
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KEO
Joined: 27 Sep 2018 Posts: 761 Location: USA
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Posted: Thu Apr 06, 2023 6:45 pm Post subject: |
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KEO wrote:
I have a Super-Multi-Coated Takumar 105 2.8. It's a good lens - solid all around. There's nothing about it that wows me though. It doesn't disappoint, but it doesn't excite. If I had to choose I also would pick the Nikkor 105 2.5s over it.
The old black and silver Takumar 105 2.8 with the preset aperture is way more interesting. It's not quite as sharp wide open (although it's perfectly fine). but it has a lot more character and more pleasing, vintage bokeh - including nice soap bubble highlights wide open. |
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D1N0
Joined: 07 Aug 2012 Posts: 2495
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Posted: Thu Apr 06, 2023 7:06 pm Post subject: |
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D1N0 wrote:
Preset black and silver Takumar:
Bubbles by The lens profile, on Flickr
Super-Takumar (late version)
Bokeh sample Super-Takumar 105mm F2.8 by The lens profile, on Flickr _________________ pentaxian |
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eggplant
Joined: 27 May 2020 Posts: 516
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Posted: Thu Apr 06, 2023 8:36 pm Post subject: |
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eggplant wrote:
Interesting, I think one of those versions seems to struggle towards the edges https://www.opticallimits.com/sonyalphaff/1156-takumar105f28
I wonder how new before the bokeh at this focal length in the Pentax lineup changes. _________________ UK |
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visualopsins
Joined: 05 Mar 2009 Posts: 10543 Location: California
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Posted: Thu Apr 06, 2023 11:23 pm Post subject: |
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visualopsins wrote:
That test includes only the 5/4 optical design.
Which 5/4 version struggles?
I don't understand the bokeh question. _________________ ☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮ like attracts like! ☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮
Cameras: Sony ILCE-7RM2, Spotmatics II, F, and ESII, Nikon P4
Lenses:
M42 Asahi Optical Co., Takumar 1:4 f=35mm, 1:2 f=58mm (Sonnar), 1:2.4 f=58mm (Heliar), 1:2.2 f=55mm (Gaussian), 1:2.8 f=105mm (Model I), 1:2.8/105 (Model II), 1:5.6/200, Tele-Takumar 1:5.6/200, 1:6.3/300, Macro-Takumar 1:4/50, Auto-Takumar 1:2.3 f=35, 1:1.8 f=55mm, 1:2.2 f=55mm, Super-TAKUMAR 1:3.5/28 (fat), 1:2/35 (Fat), 1:1.4/50 (8-element), Super-Multi-Coated Fisheye-TAKUMAR 1:4/17, Super-Multi-Coated TAKUMAR 1:4.5/20, 1:3.5/24, 1:3.5/28, 1:2/35, 1:3.5/35, 1:1.8/85, 1:1.9/85 1:2.8/105, 1:3.5/135, 1:2.5/135 (II), 1:4/150, 1:4/200, 1:4/300, 1:4.5/500, Super-Multi-Coated Macro-TAKUMAR 1:4/50, 1:4/100, Super-Multi-Coated Bellows-TAKUMAR 1:4/100, SMC TAKUMAR 1:1.4/50, 1:1.8/55
M42 Carl Zeiss Jena Flektogon 2.4/35
Contax Carl Zeiss Vario-Sonnar T* 28-70mm F3.5-4.5
Pentax K-mount SMC PENTAX ZOOM 1:3.5 35~105mm, SMC PENTAX ZOOM 1:4 45~125mm
Nikon Micro-NIKKOR-P-C Auto 1:3.5 f=55mm, NIKKOR-P Auto 105mm f/2.5 Pre-AI (Sonnar), Micro-NIKKOR 105mm 1:4 AI, NIKKOR AI-S 35-135mm f/3,5-4,5
Tamron SP 17mm f/3.5 (51B), Tamron SP 17mm f/3.5 (51BB), SP 500mm f/8 (55BB), SP 70-210mm f/3.5 (19AH)
Vivitar 100mm 1:2.8 MC 1:1 Macro Telephoto (Kiron)
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D1N0
Joined: 07 Aug 2012 Posts: 2495
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Posted: Fri Apr 07, 2023 8:15 am Post subject: |
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D1N0 wrote:
Yeah it is not a lens for people who struggle to frame their image with subjects always ending up in some corner. _________________ pentaxian |
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pabeu
Joined: 25 Apr 2018 Posts: 55
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Posted: Fri Apr 07, 2023 10:55 am Post subject: |
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pabeu wrote:
Owning the Super Tak version, I find that it's strongest asset is in it's size. It's really small ( compared to a Nikkor) and light. If you add to the mix a very nice contruction and handling plus a very pleasent rendering (not extraordinary) it makes it a very interesting combo, specially on APC-C for travelling. |
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Ultrapix
Joined: 06 Jan 2012 Posts: 551 Location: Italy
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Posted: Fri Apr 07, 2023 12:31 pm Post subject: |
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Ultrapix wrote:
Just today I tested some lenses between 90 and 135 mm, to find the best ones for those occasions (also professional) when I go manual; among those tested was the Super Takumar 105 2.8 (not SMC), and it did not come out very well. The other contenders were the Petri 135/2.8 (so-so), the Yashica 135 2.8 preset (very good), Jupiter 37A (so-so), the Zeiss Sonnar 135 3.5 zebra (good), Minolta MD 135 3.5 (excellent apart from some CA), Elmar 135 4 (outstanding but less bright), Elmar 90 4 (ditto), Tamron 90 2.5 second type (outstanding), and Leica Elmarit M 90 2.8 first type (good but poor contrast due maybe to glass problems). I agree with those who said that the best part of the Pentax is in the size and mechanics. I do not publish the results of my hasty test because although it was sufficient for my purposes (I was looking for the lens with the best uniformity and brilliance), it was not conducted with the necessary rigour to disclose it. As a side note, I do not hide my surprise at the result of the old Yashica, of which I will show some shots shortly. |
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pabeu
Joined: 25 Apr 2018 Posts: 55
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Posted: Fri Apr 07, 2023 6:26 pm Post subject: |
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pabeu wrote:
Is the old yashica a yaninon-r or a super yashinon DX? |
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Ultrapix
Joined: 06 Jan 2012 Posts: 551 Location: Italy
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Posted: Fri Apr 07, 2023 8:16 pm Post subject: |
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Ultrapix wrote:
pabeu wrote: |
Is the old yashica a yaninon-r or a super yashinon DX? |
Super Yashinon DX
https://lens-db.com/yashica-super-yashinon-dx-135mm-f28/ |
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KEO
Joined: 27 Sep 2018 Posts: 761 Location: USA
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Posted: Tue Apr 11, 2023 6:32 pm Post subject: |
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KEO wrote:
D1N0 wrote: |
Yeah it is not a lens for people who struggle to frame their image with subjects always ending up in some corner. |
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kymarto
Joined: 30 Nov 2016 Posts: 406 Location: Portland, OR and Milan, Italy
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Posted: Tue Apr 11, 2023 8:09 pm Post subject: Re: Pentax Super Takumar 105/2.8 |
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kymarto wrote:
Laurence wrote: |
Hello all! I couldn't resist picking up a Super Tak 105/2.8. It looks clean and clear with good looking glass.
I had heard it was an extremely nice performer from word of mouth, so I thought I'd take a chance...
I was gratified to see a review of the lens here on MFLenses...was this a review by Atilla?
http://www.mflenses.com/super-takumar-105mm-f2.8-lens-review-4.html
If anyone has additional experience with the lens I would love to hear about it, positive or negative.
Cheers! Laurence |
Kind of a horror story as compared to its cohort from Nikon, and Olympus, but then we aren't using vintage lenses for thier stellar optics, are we?
https://opticallimits.com/sonyalphaff/1156-takumar105f28 _________________ Vintage lens aficionado |
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