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Pentacon Auto 4/200 MC pics with FF
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Posted: Fri Apr 26, 2013 1:54 am
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Posted: Fri Apr 26, 2013 1:54 am
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Gens,

Reading and replying for Ferrick's Meyer-Optik Goerlitz Orestegor thread today made me clean the dust of my Penacon 200mm and get out to make some exercises of bokeh-building Very Happy
What i found was a moment (a thin slice of time of the day) exactly when i left home with a light perfect for the task.

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PRF2013-3160 por Renato Augusto Salles, no Flickr

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PRF2013-3169 por Renato Augusto Salles, no Flickr

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PRF2013-3171 por Renato Augusto Salles, no Flickr

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PRF2013-3173 por Renato Augusto Salles, no Flickr

Hope you like it as i do,

Cheers,

Renato


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Posted: Fri Apr 26, 2013 2:09 am
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Posted: Fri Apr 26, 2013 2:09 am
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RSalles wrote:
Gens,

Reading and replying for Ferrick's Meyer-Optik Goerlitz Orestegor thread today made me clean the dust of my Penacon 200mm and get out to make some exercises of bokeh-building Very Happy
What i found was a moment (a thin slice of time of the day) exactly when i left home with a light perfect for the task.

Hope you like it as i do,

Cheers,

Renato


Nice bokeh and very nice shots! I wish I can use the light as good as you do! I am now convinced that the Orestegor ad Pentacon 200/4 are of the same optical formula. Very Happy Very Happy


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Posted: Fri Apr 26, 2013 7:49 am
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Beautiful images Renato.
Is this lens the latest version with multi coating?
Any chance you could post a picture of the lens itself.
Many thanks
OH


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Posted: Fri Apr 26, 2013 10:51 am
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wonderful colors and bokeh


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Posted: Fri Apr 26, 2013 7:05 pm
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Thanks Ferrick, Oldhand and Nurkov for your gently words, as soon as I can I'll photograph the lens and post the photo at this thread,

Best regards,

Renato


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Posted: Fri Apr 26, 2013 7:22 pm
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Beautiful shots.

I have the older non-auto Pentacon version. It will be interesting to compare all the variations from the Meyer through the later Pentacon versions.


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Posted: Sat Apr 27, 2013 10:37 pm
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Oldhand wrote:
Beautiful images Renato.
Is this lens the latest version with multi coating?
Any chance you could post a picture of the lens itself.
Many thanks
OH



Oldhand,

The lens is this one:

Showing the nice built-in hood - fully extended:


Fully retracted




Only six blades at the diaphragma - but i can live with it



Renato


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Posted: Sat Apr 27, 2013 10:49 pm
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RSalles wrote:
Oldhand wrote:
Beautiful images Renato.
Is this lens the latest version with multi coating?
Any chance you could post a picture of the lens itself.
Many thanks
OH



Oldhand,

The lens is this one:

Showing the nice built-in hood - fully extended:


Fully retracted




Only six blades at the diaphragma - but i can live with it



Renato


Many thanks Renato.
I appreciate the time it took to take these images.
It is a lovely lens that takes beautiful images.
Six bladed diaphragms have been taking splendid pictures for many years.
OH


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Posted: Wed Jul 17, 2013 8:07 am
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Posted: Wed Jul 17, 2013 8:07 am
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This image is for Renato.
Taken with Pentacon auto 200/4.
1/500s @ f8 on Pentax K10
First grevillia of the season as the days here begin to warm again.
OH



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OH,

Thank you, that's a nice pic. It seems you have a good copy of this lens too.
Glad to know warmth is arriving at your country, here we have now rain, and cold. ugh!

Cheers,

Renato


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Posted: Wed Jul 17, 2013 6:20 pm
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Beautiful images , nice to see 'orphan' lens in great action ! Congrats!


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Posted: Mon Feb 10, 2020 8:20 pm
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Hi,
I used my Pentacon 4/200 Auto MC today. Two pics for here to share:

Isar river

Electric tower with a little sun worshopper on the top

According to Marco Kroeger the optical design of the Pentacon 4/200 Auto was in 1979 the last really new design of ex Meyer Optics in Goerlitz with only very little CAs. This I wanted to proove with my shots and it seems right.
It may have been produced in Romania. So even in German Democratic Republic they've had an outsourcing.


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Posted: Tue Feb 11, 2020 8:16 am
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Posted: Tue Feb 11, 2020 8:16 am
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RSalles wrote:


I am now convinced that the Orestegor ad Pentacon 200/4 are of the same optical formula. Very Happy Very Happy


I'd imagine they are since Meyer was effectively THE lens producer for Pentacon. (there's a Pentacon guide to lenses and optics published at the time of the merger and it stresses Meyer was the lens producer as such).

Ive got a Meyer 200/4 and an early Pentacon 200/4 and they're virtually identical aside from some exterior differences. I think the 2nd gen Pentacon version was probably when it switched to a six blade aperture though.

The best thing about the first gen Pentacon models is that you're effectively getting Meyer design/build for less cost simply because of the name change..

Check the first gen Pentacon 50/1.8, 135/2.8, 29/2.8 and 30/3.5 and you'll see what I mean. 😁


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Hi,

according to the threads title "Pentacon Auto 4/200 MC pics with FF" and the optical formula respectively design I only wanted to indicate, that the Pentacon 4/200's optical formula is different from the Pentacon Auto 4/200 MC's optical formula.

Remaining part of my post deleted due to offtopic nonsense!-)


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Posted: Mon Feb 17, 2020 6:42 pm
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Pentacon MC Auto 200mm f4 with 6 bladed aperture on full frame Pentax K-1









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A kind of an old thread now, but maybe somebody reads...

Indigo82, I wonder about the sharpness in the last pic of those you posted on Feb 17 2020. Is it good even in the very distant areas? I used my copy the last days and noticed some problems. Maybe I will come back on this and upload some pictures.


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pandreas68 wrote:
A kind of an old thread now, but maybe somebody reads...

Indigo82, I wonder about the sharpness in the last pic of those you posted on Feb 17 2020. Is it good even in the very distant areas? I used my copy the last days and noticed some problems. Maybe I will come back on this and upload some pictures.


Hi Andreas, I have sent you full size photo in email.


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[quote="pandreas68"]A kind of an old thread now, but maybe somebody reads...

Yes we do. Like 1 small And now I went to dig out my copy out of the scrap box... shame.


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My problem was about the defth of field scale.

When I focussed at the most distant point and turned this position to the f-stop on the defth of field scale the most distant point in the picture was not sharp anymore. The reason is that the defth of field scale of the Pentacon 4/200 Auto is calculated to an Circle of Confusion diameter of approximately 0.05mm rather than 0.029mm. Setting an f-stop 16 at the aperture but using f-stop 8 on the depth of field scale works:

Picture (downscaled)


Center 100% crop at 24MPx resolution


Speed limit 100% crop at 24MPx resolution

Pictures are taken as they came out from my Sony Alpha II (no sharpening, only scale and crop)

Setting is done in that way:

First look look for most distant point


Then move it to the f-stop value on the defth of field scale and stop down. Actually I used 16 to stop down and 8 to turn on, not 11.


Some may wonder why to use the defth of field scale on a tele. In theory the depth of field should rely from the reproduction scale and actually not of the lens used. So why not to use it on a tele as long as reproduction scale is small enough.


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Posted: Mon Jan 25, 2021 8:55 pm
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Another thing I noticed with my copy of the Pentacon 4/200 Auto MC is a lets say interesting spot style bokeh:



Which also may somehow aggregate to a kind of fog. In this case there were tiny drops of water with some light in.


Sometimes bokeh is maybe a little to busy if the the background is to busy


But in many cases it is also fine for my taste




Though I still need to learn how to use it I hope I can motivate you to use your copies and share some pictures!-)


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Some more photos with m42 Pentacon MC 200mm f4






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Indigo82 wrote:
Some more photos with m42 Pentacon MC 200mm f4



Thanks! Did you use simple distance rings? The minimum short distance of some 2,7m is one of the things which was a little downside of this lens for me so fare...


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The question is How much less magnification is necessary to enlarge 24mp image to normal print size as, say, image from 8mp sensor -- and, is the depth-of-field in the two prints identical? (The coc of 24mp is smaller but gets enlarged less)


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pandreas68 wrote:
Indigo82 wrote:
Some more photos with m42 Pentacon MC 200mm f4



Thanks! Did you use simple distance rings? The minimum short distance of some 2,7m is one of the things which was a little downside of this lens for me so fare...


Yes Andreas, simple, I have a set for K-mount and here are also added m42 to K-mount adapter obviously, but I am not sure which ring I used as I have them three.


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Thanks Indigo! I try to remember to take some distance rings with me next time...
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