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Nikon 135mm F3.5 Ai or M42 version
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 23, 2009 7:06 am    Post subject: Nikon 135mm F3.5 Ai or M42 version Reply with quote
I have a Nikon 135mm F3.5 Ai and just curious if 135mm M42 mount (takumar/vivitar/chinon) better than Ai version ? Thanks


PostPosted: Mon Nov 23, 2009 8:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
The original non-Ai Nikkor 135/3.5 was a classic Sonnar design, a Jena Sonnar 135/3.5 in disguise. The Ai and Ai-S are supposed to be an improvement over the old lens. That said, the original Nikkor was pretty damn good (I have one, it is s-h-a-r-p), so your Ai version should be even better.

I don't think any third party options will offer anything over your Nikkor except for speed. Say, a Vivitar Series 1 135/2.3 will be an improvement. Most 135/2.8 versions aren't worth bothering though.


PostPosted: Mon Nov 23, 2009 8:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
Here are some test pictures from my Nikkor 135/3.5 AI.
I find this lens amazing in every possible way - there is no vignetting whatsoever, CA is virtually non-existent too - and it's razorsharp already wide open. The bokeh is also very pleasing.

I have a Sonnar 135/3.5 too, but haven't had too much time to test it. Based on preliminary results, however, it does have an equally pleasing quality in bokeh, and is sharp too - but does not paint as vibrantly as it's Nikkor counterpart.

I've also got a Cosinon 135/2.8 and am looking for a Pentacon 135/2.8 to add up, but they are not directly comparable to the Nikkor or Sonnar.

If you're into manual lenses and can get a Pentacon or something for small money, I'd consider purchasing :)


PostPosted: Mon Nov 23, 2009 9:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
aoleg wrote:
The original non-Ai Nikkor 135/3.5 was a classic Sonnar design, a Jena Sonnar 135/3.5 in disguise. The Ai and Ai-S are supposed to be an improvement over the old lens. That said, the original Nikkor was pretty damn good (I have one, it is s-h-a-r-p), so your Ai version should be even better.


It isn't clear that the later one is better. I have the f/2.8 version - so, after the redesign to 5 elements in 4 groups (its a late type K, predating AI by a year) and, while OK, its not that great. My 105/2.5 is better, for example.

I hear that some people like the Nikkor-Q 135/3.5 better than the 135/2.8.


PostPosted: Mon Nov 23, 2009 10:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
ChrisLilley wrote:
It isn't clear that the later one is better. I have the f/2.8 version - so, after the redesign to 5 elements in 4 groups (its a late type K, predating AI by a year) and, while OK, its not that great. My 105/2.5 is better, for example.

I hear that some people like the Nikkor-Q 135/3.5 better than the 135/2.8.


Nikkor-Q 135/2.8 was a dog. However, the new, redesigned version of 135/2.8 available in Ai and Ai-S versions is quite good for what it is. I would rate it about as high as the 105/2.5. Depends on what you use it for though; I mostly use 135mm for tight portrait shots, and for that it's great.

BTW, I am waiting for a K version of Nikkor 135/3.5 to arrive. Multicoated, it should give the Sonnar a run for its money.


PostPosted: Mon Nov 23, 2009 4:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
aoleg wrote:
ChrisLilley wrote:
I have the f/2.8 version - so, after the redesign to 5 elements in 4 groups (its a late type K, predating AI by a year)


Nikkor-Q 135/2.8 was a dog. However, the new, redesigned version of 135/2.8 available in Ai and Ai-S versions


The type K is the same optical design as the AI and AIS, and different to the
Nikkor-Q 135/2.8.

aoleg wrote:
is quite good for what it is. I would rate it about as high as the 105/2.5.


Even ignoring the higher magnification of the 135 compared to the 105, I can see more detail in a shot taken with 105/2.5 than the same scene with 135/2.8.


PostPosted: Mon Nov 23, 2009 11:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
I agree with Chris on the 105/2.5 vs the 135/2.8 AIS, but the latter lens is still an excellent performer. It's mainly that the 105 is stellar. I have the 135/2 and it is almost on a par with the 105.


patrickh


PostPosted: Tue Nov 24, 2009 1:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
aoleg wrote:
ChrisLilley wrote:
It isn't clear that the later one is better. I have the f/2.8 version - so, after the redesign to 5 elements in 4 groups (its a late type K, predating AI by a year) and, while OK, its not that great. My 105/2.5 is better, for example.

I hear that some people like the Nikkor-Q 135/3.5 better than the 135/2.8.


Nikkor-Q 135/2.8 was a dog. However, the new, redesigned version of 135/2.8 available in Ai and Ai-S versions is quite good for what it is. I would rate it about as high as the 105/2.5. Depends on what you use it for though; I mostly use 135mm for tight portrait shots, and for that it's great.

BTW, I am waiting for a K version of Nikkor 135/3.5 to arrive. Multicoated, it should give the Sonnar a run for its money.


I do not know that I can agree that the early Q version is a dog. I have both this version and the AIS. The latter is clearly a better lens but I have taken and seen many excellent shots with the older one too.


PostPosted: Tue Nov 24, 2009 6:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
peterm1 wrote:
I do not know that I can agree that the early Q version is a dog. I have both this version and the AIS. The latter is clearly a better lens but I have taken and seen many excellent shots with the older one too.


It's not that Nikkor-Q was necessrily a bad lens; just that there were many other 135/2.8 options that were better. It's really hard to make a bad 135mm; I've only seen two or three really bad ones out of dozens 135mm lenses.
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