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Shiladitya
Joined: 31 May 2008 Posts: 306 Location: New Delhi, India
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Posted: Wed Jan 21, 2009 3:55 pm Post subject: Nikkor 1.2/55 |
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Shiladitya wrote:
This one is a AI with coating. The beast is a bit difficult to use on my FG and unusable with F4 as the aperture is too close to the lens flange and cannot be moved. Works only with my FE2.
Wide Open- I kind of like the nervous bokeh.
_________________ Camera: 35mm SLR: Nikon F4s, Nikon FG, FE2, FM2n, FA; Pentax K1000, Spotmatic II, MZ60; Exakta Varex IIb, Olympus OM1n;
MF TLR: Yashica Mat 124G, Yashica 635, Rolleiflex Automat MX EVS
35mm RF: Voigtlander Prominent, Yashica Electro GSN, Minolta Hi-Matic 7s
MF Folder: Agfa Isolette III
Digital: Canon 5DC, Canon 550D
Lenses: Nikkor- 2.8/55 Micro, 1.4/50 AIS, 1.2/55 AI, 2.8/24 AIS, 2.8/20 AIS, 4/200 AIS, 2.5/105 AIS
Pentax K: SMC 1.7/50, 2.8/24, 3.5/135, 4/200 & 4.5/80-200
M42: SMC Tak 1.8/55, SMC Tak 3.5/28, SMC Tak 3.5/135, Super Tak 4/200, Yasinon DX 1.7/50, Meyer Oreston 1.8/50
Zuiko: 1.8/50, 3.5/28
Exakta: Pancolar 2/50, Pentacon 3.5/30, Enna 4.5/240
Prominent: Ultron 2/50, Skoparon 3.5/35, Dynaon 4.5/100 |
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LucisPictor
Joined: 26 Feb 2007 Posts: 17633 Location: Oberhessen, Germany / Maidstone ('95-'96)
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Posted: Thu Jan 22, 2009 9:07 am Post subject: |
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LucisPictor wrote:
These f1.2 lenses are very special lenses for very special cases.
Sometime you can only shoot with such a lens. For general purposes, an f1.8 or f2.0 lens perhaps is the better solution. _________________ Personal forum activity on pause every now and again (due to job obligations)!
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hacksawbob
Joined: 28 Feb 2007 Posts: 1293 Location: LANCS UK
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Posted: Thu Jan 22, 2009 9:09 am Post subject: |
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hacksawbob wrote:
I love the contrast and warm colour in the first one, very nice! _________________ LENS LIST |
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piticu
Joined: 04 Aug 2008 Posts: 591 Location: Romania
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Posted: Thu Jan 22, 2009 12:39 pm Post subject: |
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piticu wrote:
LucisPictor wrote: |
These f1.2 lenses are very special lenses for very special cases. |
I heard this before but i never found out the answer, so: what is that they are designed for in the first place? _________________ www.atelierelealbe.eu |
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Ballu
Joined: 28 Feb 2007 Posts: 912 Location: Columbus, OH. USofA
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Posted: Fri Jan 23, 2009 5:14 pm Post subject: |
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Ballu wrote:
piticu wrote: |
LucisPictor wrote: |
These f1.2 lenses are very special lenses for very special cases. |
I heard this before but i never found out the answer, so: what is that they are designed for in the first place? |
My personal view:
1) Coma control: All these were designed for low light, when 400 ISO film was commonly used in the cameras. Changing ISO was not an option. These lenses really need to control coma. Noct is supper daddy of coma control, hence the price.
2) As said, these lenses were really designed for low light. My experience says, these peaks there resolution by f4-f5.6. OK, you can find some lenses breaking these rules, but I am talking general terms. I tested my Minolta Rokkor-PG 58mm f1.2 with Carl Zeiss Planar 50mm f1.7. I have found my CZ Planar one of the sharpest lens. But to my surprise, Rokkor beats Planar hands down, there is no competition. But by f5.6, Rokkor is softer than f4 (of its own results). Again Rokkor remains sharper compare to so many other lenses, but we are talking in relative terms here. _________________ -Ballu
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Shiladitya
Joined: 31 May 2008 Posts: 306 Location: New Delhi, India
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Posted: Fri Jan 23, 2009 5:47 pm Post subject: |
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Shiladitya wrote:
LucisPictor wrote: |
These f1.2 lenses are very special lenses for very special cases.
Sometime you can only shoot with such a lens. For general purposes, an f1.8 or f2.0 lens perhaps is the better solution. |
I agree, I am a better user of the Nikkor 1.4/50 than this. What I mean is that lens is a bit cumbersome to use on my FE2...the lens is bulky and for some unexplained reason I have to do Stop down metering. Not to mention that I have not tested this lens in a very low light condition for what it was meant.
But, I kind of like the lens as it slows me down and gives me enough time to think the other perspectives of photography which automation has mercilessly taken away from us like .... the exposure value (as i generally use a hand held meter instead of the stopped down metering) _________________ Camera: 35mm SLR: Nikon F4s, Nikon FG, FE2, FM2n, FA; Pentax K1000, Spotmatic II, MZ60; Exakta Varex IIb, Olympus OM1n;
MF TLR: Yashica Mat 124G, Yashica 635, Rolleiflex Automat MX EVS
35mm RF: Voigtlander Prominent, Yashica Electro GSN, Minolta Hi-Matic 7s
MF Folder: Agfa Isolette III
Digital: Canon 5DC, Canon 550D
Lenses: Nikkor- 2.8/55 Micro, 1.4/50 AIS, 1.2/55 AI, 2.8/24 AIS, 2.8/20 AIS, 4/200 AIS, 2.5/105 AIS
Pentax K: SMC 1.7/50, 2.8/24, 3.5/135, 4/200 & 4.5/80-200
M42: SMC Tak 1.8/55, SMC Tak 3.5/28, SMC Tak 3.5/135, Super Tak 4/200, Yasinon DX 1.7/50, Meyer Oreston 1.8/50
Zuiko: 1.8/50, 3.5/28
Exakta: Pancolar 2/50, Pentacon 3.5/30, Enna 4.5/240
Prominent: Ultron 2/50, Skoparon 3.5/35, Dynaon 4.5/100 |
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Shiladitya
Joined: 31 May 2008 Posts: 306 Location: New Delhi, India
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Posted: Fri Jan 23, 2009 5:48 pm Post subject: |
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Shiladitya wrote:
hacksawbob wrote: |
I love the contrast and warm colour in the first one, very nice! |
Thanks...thats one of the very reason that I use this lens fairly often. It is warm even with the "blues" and other cool colours _________________ Camera: 35mm SLR: Nikon F4s, Nikon FG, FE2, FM2n, FA; Pentax K1000, Spotmatic II, MZ60; Exakta Varex IIb, Olympus OM1n;
MF TLR: Yashica Mat 124G, Yashica 635, Rolleiflex Automat MX EVS
35mm RF: Voigtlander Prominent, Yashica Electro GSN, Minolta Hi-Matic 7s
MF Folder: Agfa Isolette III
Digital: Canon 5DC, Canon 550D
Lenses: Nikkor- 2.8/55 Micro, 1.4/50 AIS, 1.2/55 AI, 2.8/24 AIS, 2.8/20 AIS, 4/200 AIS, 2.5/105 AIS
Pentax K: SMC 1.7/50, 2.8/24, 3.5/135, 4/200 & 4.5/80-200
M42: SMC Tak 1.8/55, SMC Tak 3.5/28, SMC Tak 3.5/135, Super Tak 4/200, Yasinon DX 1.7/50, Meyer Oreston 1.8/50
Zuiko: 1.8/50, 3.5/28
Exakta: Pancolar 2/50, Pentacon 3.5/30, Enna 4.5/240
Prominent: Ultron 2/50, Skoparon 3.5/35, Dynaon 4.5/100 |
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Shiladitya
Joined: 31 May 2008 Posts: 306 Location: New Delhi, India
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Posted: Fri Jan 23, 2009 5:53 pm Post subject: |
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Shiladitya wrote:
Ballu wrote: |
piticu wrote: |
LucisPictor wrote: |
These f1.2 lenses are very special lenses for very special cases. |
I heard this before but i never found out the answer, so: what is that they are designed for in the first place? |
My personal view:
1) Coma control: All these were designed for low light, when 400 ISO film was commonly used in the cameras. Changing ISO was not an option. These lenses really need to control coma. Noct is supper daddy of coma control, hence the price.
2) As said, these lenses were really designed for low light. My experience says, these peaks there resolution by f4-f5.6. OK, you can find some lenses breaking these rules, but I am talking general terms. I tested my Minolta Rokkor-PG 58mm f1.2 with Carl Zeiss Planar 50mm f1.7. I have found my CZ Planar one of the sharpest lens. But to my surprise, Rokkor beats Planar hands down, there is no competition. But by f5.6, Rokkor is softer than f4 (of its own results). Again Rokkor remains sharper compare to so many other lenses, but we are talking in relative terms here. |
I think you have a point there....
When you have more than one lens in your arsenal for the same focal length, the key is to understand the strength and weaknesses of all and more importantly understand the which situation demands which lens. As you rightly pointed out, this lens was designed for low light use but i dicovered another trait of this lens (warmer colours than my Nikkor 1.4/50) that makes me love this lens. _________________ Camera: 35mm SLR: Nikon F4s, Nikon FG, FE2, FM2n, FA; Pentax K1000, Spotmatic II, MZ60; Exakta Varex IIb, Olympus OM1n;
MF TLR: Yashica Mat 124G, Yashica 635, Rolleiflex Automat MX EVS
35mm RF: Voigtlander Prominent, Yashica Electro GSN, Minolta Hi-Matic 7s
MF Folder: Agfa Isolette III
Digital: Canon 5DC, Canon 550D
Lenses: Nikkor- 2.8/55 Micro, 1.4/50 AIS, 1.2/55 AI, 2.8/24 AIS, 2.8/20 AIS, 4/200 AIS, 2.5/105 AIS
Pentax K: SMC 1.7/50, 2.8/24, 3.5/135, 4/200 & 4.5/80-200
M42: SMC Tak 1.8/55, SMC Tak 3.5/28, SMC Tak 3.5/135, Super Tak 4/200, Yasinon DX 1.7/50, Meyer Oreston 1.8/50
Zuiko: 1.8/50, 3.5/28
Exakta: Pancolar 2/50, Pentacon 3.5/30, Enna 4.5/240
Prominent: Ultron 2/50, Skoparon 3.5/35, Dynaon 4.5/100 |
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Ballu
Joined: 28 Feb 2007 Posts: 912 Location: Columbus, OH. USofA
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Posted: Fri Jan 23, 2009 6:05 pm Post subject: |
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Ballu wrote:
Plus this particular lens is optimized for bokeh (not really for coma, compare to Noct). If I am not wrong, this lens has blade iris, but you will not find octagon shapes in highlights...
This lens clearly shows that its optics which plays critical role in bokeh highlights shape not aperture shape... _________________ -Ballu
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luisalegria
Joined: 07 Mar 2008 Posts: 6602 Location: San Francisco, USA
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Posted: Sat Jan 24, 2009 1:04 am Post subject: |
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luisalegria wrote:
What they (1.2 lenses) are for -
To take pictures of young women in dark cafes of course !
I like #1, nice textures and dramatic lighting.
Is the bokeh on #2 nervous ? It looks nice and smooth. _________________ I like Pentax DSLR's, Exaktas, M42 bodies of all kinds, strange and cheap Japanese lenses, and am dabbling in medium format/Speed Graphic work. |
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