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stanleytung
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Leica is valueful name, but not value that much. German Labor cost is highest in the world, it will be key reason for Leica selling price.
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Leica pricing has very little to do with labor cost. Luis Vuitton handbag costs crazy money, but even if you produce "a better handbag", you wouldn't be able to charge Louis Vuitton money. Same case here.
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I saw Chinese websit, 35/0.95 is offering 5years warranty
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Who is behind this warranty? What do you do if you have a problem, ship the lens to China? What do you do if the website closes down? How much time the repair + travel both ways is going to take? Who pays the shipping? Whom do you complain to if the warranty is refused? Perhaps it can have some value if you live in China. For the rest of the world, it's an empty warranty. |
exactly.....even I am in Hong Kon right now....I won't really buy or try a CHINA made lens ...... they just a copy cat.... we still can search and buy some good lens out there.... and don't know are they harm for health as well....all QC is just lying in there.. ..
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bigeyes
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bigeyes wrote:
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Leica is valueful name, but not value that much. German Labor cost is highest in the world, it will be key reason for Leica selling price.
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Leica pricing has very little to do with labor cost. Luis Vuitton handbag costs crazy money, but even if you produce "a better handbag", you wouldn't be able to charge Louis Vuitton money. Same case here.
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I saw Chinese websit, 35/0.95 is offering 5years warranty
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Who is behind this warranty? What do you do if you have a problem, ship the lens to China? What do you do if the website closes down? How much time the repair + travel both ways is going to take? Who pays the shipping? Whom do you complain to if the warranty is refused? Perhaps it can have some value if you live in China. For the rest of the world, it's an empty warranty. |
Today there has a lot of 2nd hand lens trading, where can you find the warranty? There also has a lot of the lens with modification, where is the warranty?
Ok, even if you not agree this lens value, but today where can you find a 35/0.95 with usd300 cost? Please advice.
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Laurence wrote:
Today there has a lot of 2nd hand lens trading, where can you find the warranty? There also has a lot of the lens with modification, where is the warranty?
Ok, even if you not agree this lens value, but today where can you find a 35/0.95 with usd300 cost? Please advice.
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part of 'taking a chance' with some equipment. You win a few, you lose a few. But it's ALL fun!
f0.95: Really quite nice images, GREAT exposure values. The girl doesn't hurt it either, she looks good, and looks like she
takes care of herself. Her legs are LONG, which is a good thing.  I REALLY like the image of the leaf. It is unique and
gorgeous, at least to me.
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walter g
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At $950 USD I think it's priced right, if you look at the pricing on other 0.95 lenses. It's above my price range so i'm not buying one.
As for waranty I don't care, because if I get one it will be used anyway.
If you're worried asbout the waranty simply wait awhile. If their are any problems they will be found quickly. 0.95 lenses are popular right now so they will sell, and their will be people testing them to see how good they really are.
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I still don't see the point of this lens, I can't think of a situation where 0.95 would actually be useful, not with the excellent high ISO performance of modern cameras and I don't see the sense in shooting wide open at 0.95 when all fast lenses improve visibly when stopped down 2 stops. This obsession with very thin dof and 'bokeh' just leads to a lot of crap photographs imho.
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bigeyes
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bigeyes wrote:
| stanleytung wrote: |
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Leica is valueful name, but not value that much. German Labor cost is highest in the world, it will be key reason for Leica selling price.
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Leica pricing has very little to do with labor cost. Luis Vuitton handbag costs crazy money, but even if you produce "a better handbag", you wouldn't be able to charge Louis Vuitton money. Same case here.
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I saw Chinese websit, 35/0.95 is offering 5years warranty
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Who is behind this warranty? What do you do if you have a problem, ship the lens to China? What do you do if the website closes down? How much time the repair + travel both ways is going to take? Who pays the shipping? Whom do you complain to if the warranty is refused? Perhaps it can have some value if you live in China. For the rest of the world, it's an empty warranty. |
exactly.....even I am in Hong Kon right now....I won't really buy or try a CHINA made lens ...... they just a copy cat.... we still can search and buy some good lens out there.... and don't know are they harm for health as well....all QC is just lying in there.. .. |
Dear Stanely,
Tell me who did making 35mm f0.95 before, and especially this time, Chinese copied from whom?
Made in China is popular words in today's market, not surprise you are using something from Chinese hand, why you are telling the people that Chinese QC is lying?
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Aanything
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Oh well, a 35/0.95 at 950 usd seem "normal" to me.
I wouldn't buy it because i think I don't need it, but that's just me: I'd rather buy a 35/2 (or 1.4) and a good flash.
One thing I'd carefully consider before buying such a lens (even if I decided to go for it) is that - for what I understand reading reviews and pre release notes - it only covers aps-c: so, since I plan going full frame as the first necessary upgrade to my equipment, i wouldn't invest such money in something i will not be able to use on my next camera.
I also thought the DOF on the sample pics is deeper than I would expect at a such aperture, but I never saw wides this fast before, so probably that's why.
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SXR_Mark
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| Posted: Mon Jul 16, 2012 10:24 am Post subject: Re: MITAKON 35MM F0.95 E-MOUNT |
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Superficially, these look very nice. But it's hard to judge the quality on such small pictures, and I see some failings that worry me.
This picture shows strong purple fringing around the girl's white top
and this one along the edge of the black jacket.
This is right in the middle of the frame, so t looks like fringing will be a big issue.
This picture shows a very odd area that is in focus. The girl's face looks sharp enough, but what about her feet and the chain next to her? And the chain right in the foreground is sharp. Does this lens have enormous field curvature?
And again here - her face is sharp but her feet are soft.
As Atilla said, a pretty face can sell anything.
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iangreenhalgh1
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I agree Mark, and I think the photos would look better if the lens was sopped down to f2 or f2.8. I repeat what I said before, I really don't see the point in shooting wide open. Stopped down 2 stops I bet the CA would be less and all of the girl would be sharp, whereas the background would still be blurred.
I think it's just bad technique to shoot subjects like this wide open, the purpose is simply to get a gimmicky effect to satisfy this daft obsession with 'bokeh' and it results in lesser IQ and less good pictures.
I know this isn't a great picture, but it's not bad. I used my Hexanon 1.4/50 at f2.8 and the background is still nicely blurred and the subject isolated. If I'd shot it at 1.4 not all of the subject would be in focus and the picture would be less sharp with less contrast. So again, what's the point in a 0.95 lens and what's the point in shooting it wide open? Might as well save a few hundred dollars and get a 2/35 or save more and get a 2.8/35.
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Fabian
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Fabian wrote:
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| I REALLY like the image of the leaf. It is unique and gorgeous, at least to me. |
That's the Samyang 35mm f/1.4, sorry for any confusion caused. |
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RTI
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| Posted: Mon Jul 16, 2012 1:29 pm Post subject: Re: MITAKON 35MM F0.95 E-MOUNT |
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RTI wrote:
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This picture shows a very odd area that is in focus. The girl's face looks sharp enough, but what about her feet and the chain next to her? And the chain right in the foreground is sharp. Does this lens have enormous field curvature?
Mark |
Initially I thought about the field curvature too, but I suspect the photo has been heavily Photoshopped - multiple layers with masks, and different focus points. I might be mistaken, but a raw file (usually more or less serious companies provide them) would clear things.
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bigeyes, I certainly see your point. Lots of trading and 2nd hand equipment that doesn't carry any warranty at all, that's a
part of 'taking a chance' with some equipment. You win a few, you lose a few. But it's ALL fun!
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Yes, but this means that this lens should be compared with second hand equipment, and second hand equipment costs less. For 1 K one can get Schneider, Angenieux or Voigtlander f0.95 lenses (for m4/3), and this is still a no-name lens.
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| Posted: Mon Jul 16, 2012 2:58 pm Post subject: In China it is sold at 4300RMB that equals 700USD |
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I know you guys don't read Chinese,but this link will show you some pictures and figures. |
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walter g
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| Posted: Mon Jul 16, 2012 3:04 pm Post subject: Re: In China it is sold at 4300RMB that equals 700USD |
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walter g wrote:
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http://forum.xitek.com/thread-1034213-2-1-1.html
I know you guys don't read Chinese,but this link will show you some pictures and figures. |
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Laurence
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Laurence wrote:
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bigeyes, I certainly see your point. Lots of trading and 2nd hand equipment that doesn't carry any warranty at all, that's a
part of 'taking a chance' with some equipment. You win a few, you lose a few. But it's ALL fun!
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Yes, but this means that this lens should be compared with second hand equipment, and second hand equipment costs less. For 1 K one can get Schneider, Angenieux or Voigtlander f0.95 lenses (for m4/3), and this is still a no-name lens. |
Fermy, I have to agree with you on that. I didn't realize you could get those lenses for around 1k. I don't know anything about
the Schneider or Angenieux, but certainly have heard and seen pretty good results with the Voigtlander. Point well taken. 
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aleksanderpolo
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aleksanderpolo wrote:
With the recent debacle of SLR Magic 0.95 lens, I would hesitate to put down $1000 for an relatively unknown lens maker, especially one that has association with SLR Magic.
http://www.l-camera-forum.com/leica-forum/customer-forum/219911-slr-magic-50mm-f0-95-m-24.html#post2119905
Used lens from known makers can last for decades without the need for a repair, the build quality of this lens is yet unknown, is the maker going to stand by their product for the 5 years warranty? What if one want a full refund? Hopefully this is not as bad as the SLR Magic one (that can't even survive regular transit)
With Voigtlander's 0.95, 1.1, 1.2 lens at around $1000, this 35/0.95 lens is overpriced for me. |
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iangreenhalgh1
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iangreenhalgh1 wrote:
WTF it's held together with Loktite instead of screws!!!
Let's be honest here, these lenses are a gimmick, and a cheap gimmick at that, the result of this annoying fad of 'bokeh' that is really just amateurish poor technique. Shooting these lenses wide open is a waste of time, any fast lens gives much better IQ stopped down 2 stops and the bokeh is still great as long as the distance to the background is sufficient. Shot wide open, the IQ suffers and not all of the subject is in focus, it looks amateurish and crappy imho, and is simply bad technique.
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F0.95 wrote:
Price is one issue, Quality is another one issue, but I respect designer and his products
Lens looking, copy from website
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iangreenhalgh1
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iangreenhalgh1 wrote:
So is it held together by screws or glue?
If it isn't held together with screws then it's worth more like 9.50USD than 950USD.
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F0.95 wrote:
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So is it held together by screws or glue?
If it isn't held together with screws then it's worth more like 9.50USD than 950USD. |
A 680g heavy lens! lens body offcourse screwed! it was metal made.
but it is impossible to screw the glass............ do you agree? |
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iangreenhalgh1
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iangreenhalgh1 wrote:
No, glass is held in place in quality lenses by spacers and retaining rings that are threaded and screwed into place.
If the makers of this lens are affiliated with SLR Magic then that does throw a lot of doubt into the quality of their product. Any company that would sell lenses held together with Loktite glue is a joke.
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How do you know? Are you associated with the maker? The much heavier SLR Magic is apparently held together by glue.
Held by glue per se is not a problem, the problem is there are multiple reports of lens losing rangefinder coupling, focusing ring decoupled - i.e. build quality issue. And then SLR magic is reluctant to offer full refund.
The maker of this 35/0.95 lens could be different, the lens could be of great build quality, but it is an unknown at the moment. Given the risk and the fact that Voigtlander's ultra fast lens is selling at the same price range, $1000 is asking for too much I think.
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So is it held together by screws or glue?
If it isn't held together with screws then it's worth more like 9.50USD than 950USD. |
A 680g heavy lens! lens body offcourse screwed! it was metal made.
but it is impossible to screw the glass............ do you agree? |
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Laurentiu Cristofor
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| Posted: Wed Jul 18, 2012 5:08 am Post subject: Re: MITAKON 35MM F0.95 E-MOUNT |
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Laurentiu Cristofor wrote:
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This picture shows strong purple fringing around the girl's white top |
That is the first thing I noticed. Bokeh doesn't look that pleasant either.
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This picture shows a very odd area that is in focus. The girl's face looks sharp enough, but what about her feet and the chain next to her? And the chain right in the foreground is sharp. Does this lens have enormous field curvature?
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Now that you pointed this out, I wonder whether tilting was used in taking these pictures. |
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RTI
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RTI wrote:
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WTF it's held together with Loktite instead of screws!!!
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I'll tell you a secret, the "mighty" canon EF 50/1.2 L is also held together using tape )
http://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&js=n&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&layout=2&eotf=1&u=http%3A%2F%2Fclub.foto.ru%2Fforum%2Fview_topic.php%3Ftopic_id%3D486661%26topic_id%3D486661%26mode%3Dl%26page%3D1%23listStart
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