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nixland
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Posted: Wed Oct 05, 2011 11:54 pm Post subject: Meyer-Optic Primotar 135/3.5 ... Trioplan big brother |
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nixland wrote:
First, thanks to Kathmandu that gave me information about this lens.
http://forum.mflenses.com/you-can-get-lucky-the-bay-t43042,start,30.html
Since I already have the 135mm lens with normal standard bokeh (CZJ 135/3.5 and Sonnar 135/2.8 ) and gaussian blur bokeh (Sony STF converted to EOS mount) so I was thinking to complete the set with 135 lens with harsh bokeh like Trioplan, and Kathmandu suggested the Primotar.
Got it from local market at about $80. (is it expensive?)
The lens looks odd (just like the Trioplan is odd), black & long like a flash light or long hand grenade (the security officer watching me seriously when I used it in the park )
But the result surprised me. Gorgeous rendering! Become a favorit lens in an instant. _________________ Carl Zeiss Jena: Biotar 58/2 1Q, DDR Pancolar 80/1.8 MC, Biotar 75/1.5, Biotar 10cm/2, DDR Sonnar 135/3.5 MC
Carl Zeiss C/Y: Planar 50/1.4 T*, Planar 85/1.4 T*, Planar 100/2 T*, Sonnar 135/2.8 T*
Leica: Summicron-R 35/2 v1, Summicron-R 50/2, Summilux-R 80/1.4, Summicron-R 90/2
Pentax: A 50/1.2
Minolta: Rokkor MC 58/1.2, Rokkor MC 85/1.7, Rokkor MC 100/2, MD 200/2.8
Olympus: Zuiko MC Auto-W 21/2, Zuiko 50/1.2, Zuiko MC Auto-T 85/2, Zuiko Auto-T 100/2
Nikon: Nikkor 28/2.8 Ais, Nikkor 85/1.8, Nikkor 105/1.8, 300/2.8 ED (Ais)
Canon: FD 50/1.2 L, FD 85/1.2 L
Sony: 135/2.8 STF
Jupiter: 85/2 Alu
Cyclop: 85/1.5
Meyer-Optic: Trioplan 100/2.8, Orestor 100/2.8, Primotar 135/3.5
Samyang: 8/3.5 FE, 14/2.8, 85/1.4, 85/1.4 UMC
FOR SALE
Carl Zeiss Jena Biotar 10cm/2 || Carl Zeiss ZE Distagon 28/2 || Minolta Rokkor MD 35/1.8 || Rokkor-X MC 85/1.7 || Rokkor MD 85/1.7 || Olympus Zuiko MC Auto-W 21/2 || Olympus 100/2 || Nikon Nikkor 35/1.4 || Canon: FD 55/1.2 || Vivitar 90/2.5 Series 1 VMC || Tamron: 90/2.5 SP
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nixland
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Posted: Wed Oct 05, 2011 11:59 pm Post subject: |
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nixland wrote:
All photos are original in color and contrast. PP is just for sharpening for resizing.
_________________ Carl Zeiss Jena: Biotar 58/2 1Q, DDR Pancolar 80/1.8 MC, Biotar 75/1.5, Biotar 10cm/2, DDR Sonnar 135/3.5 MC
Carl Zeiss C/Y: Planar 50/1.4 T*, Planar 85/1.4 T*, Planar 100/2 T*, Sonnar 135/2.8 T*
Leica: Summicron-R 35/2 v1, Summicron-R 50/2, Summilux-R 80/1.4, Summicron-R 90/2
Pentax: A 50/1.2
Minolta: Rokkor MC 58/1.2, Rokkor MC 85/1.7, Rokkor MC 100/2, MD 200/2.8
Olympus: Zuiko MC Auto-W 21/2, Zuiko 50/1.2, Zuiko MC Auto-T 85/2, Zuiko Auto-T 100/2
Nikon: Nikkor 28/2.8 Ais, Nikkor 85/1.8, Nikkor 105/1.8, 300/2.8 ED (Ais)
Canon: FD 50/1.2 L, FD 85/1.2 L
Sony: 135/2.8 STF
Jupiter: 85/2 Alu
Cyclop: 85/1.5
Meyer-Optic: Trioplan 100/2.8, Orestor 100/2.8, Primotar 135/3.5
Samyang: 8/3.5 FE, 14/2.8, 85/1.4, 85/1.4 UMC
FOR SALE
Carl Zeiss Jena Biotar 10cm/2 || Carl Zeiss ZE Distagon 28/2 || Minolta Rokkor MD 35/1.8 || Rokkor-X MC 85/1.7 || Rokkor MD 85/1.7 || Olympus Zuiko MC Auto-W 21/2 || Olympus 100/2 || Nikon Nikkor 35/1.4 || Canon: FD 55/1.2 || Vivitar 90/2.5 Series 1 VMC || Tamron: 90/2.5 SP
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nixland
Joined: 30 Jan 2011 Posts: 577
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Posted: Thu Oct 06, 2011 12:02 am Post subject: |
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nixland wrote:
Now I am wondering if there is any 135 lens with swirly bokeh. Though I think it's difficult to get the swirly bokeh for this focal length (or is it still possible?). _________________ Carl Zeiss Jena: Biotar 58/2 1Q, DDR Pancolar 80/1.8 MC, Biotar 75/1.5, Biotar 10cm/2, DDR Sonnar 135/3.5 MC
Carl Zeiss C/Y: Planar 50/1.4 T*, Planar 85/1.4 T*, Planar 100/2 T*, Sonnar 135/2.8 T*
Leica: Summicron-R 35/2 v1, Summicron-R 50/2, Summilux-R 80/1.4, Summicron-R 90/2
Pentax: A 50/1.2
Minolta: Rokkor MC 58/1.2, Rokkor MC 85/1.7, Rokkor MC 100/2, MD 200/2.8
Olympus: Zuiko MC Auto-W 21/2, Zuiko 50/1.2, Zuiko MC Auto-T 85/2, Zuiko Auto-T 100/2
Nikon: Nikkor 28/2.8 Ais, Nikkor 85/1.8, Nikkor 105/1.8, 300/2.8 ED (Ais)
Canon: FD 50/1.2 L, FD 85/1.2 L
Sony: 135/2.8 STF
Jupiter: 85/2 Alu
Cyclop: 85/1.5
Meyer-Optic: Trioplan 100/2.8, Orestor 100/2.8, Primotar 135/3.5
Samyang: 8/3.5 FE, 14/2.8, 85/1.4, 85/1.4 UMC
FOR SALE
Carl Zeiss Jena Biotar 10cm/2 || Carl Zeiss ZE Distagon 28/2 || Minolta Rokkor MD 35/1.8 || Rokkor-X MC 85/1.7 || Rokkor MD 85/1.7 || Olympus Zuiko MC Auto-W 21/2 || Olympus 100/2 || Nikon Nikkor 35/1.4 || Canon: FD 55/1.2 || Vivitar 90/2.5 Series 1 VMC || Tamron: 90/2.5 SP
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Kathmandu
Joined: 09 Dec 2009 Posts: 1479 Location: (Kathmandu,Nepal. Currently)Pacific Northwest, USA
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Posted: Thu Oct 06, 2011 12:47 am Post subject: |
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Kathmandu wrote:
Thatsgreat , looks like you like the lens you bought. Nice samples. _________________ kathmandu
Sony α 700 DSLR
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nixland
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Posted: Thu Oct 06, 2011 1:13 am Post subject: |
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nixland wrote:
Kathmandu wrote: |
Thatsgreat , looks like you like the lens you bought. Nice samples. |
It's performance is beyond my expectation. Has less glow than Trioplan and I still got what I want ... it's bokeh ring
_________________ Carl Zeiss Jena: Biotar 58/2 1Q, DDR Pancolar 80/1.8 MC, Biotar 75/1.5, Biotar 10cm/2, DDR Sonnar 135/3.5 MC
Carl Zeiss C/Y: Planar 50/1.4 T*, Planar 85/1.4 T*, Planar 100/2 T*, Sonnar 135/2.8 T*
Leica: Summicron-R 35/2 v1, Summicron-R 50/2, Summilux-R 80/1.4, Summicron-R 90/2
Pentax: A 50/1.2
Minolta: Rokkor MC 58/1.2, Rokkor MC 85/1.7, Rokkor MC 100/2, MD 200/2.8
Olympus: Zuiko MC Auto-W 21/2, Zuiko 50/1.2, Zuiko MC Auto-T 85/2, Zuiko Auto-T 100/2
Nikon: Nikkor 28/2.8 Ais, Nikkor 85/1.8, Nikkor 105/1.8, 300/2.8 ED (Ais)
Canon: FD 50/1.2 L, FD 85/1.2 L
Sony: 135/2.8 STF
Jupiter: 85/2 Alu
Cyclop: 85/1.5
Meyer-Optic: Trioplan 100/2.8, Orestor 100/2.8, Primotar 135/3.5
Samyang: 8/3.5 FE, 14/2.8, 85/1.4, 85/1.4 UMC
FOR SALE
Carl Zeiss Jena Biotar 10cm/2 || Carl Zeiss ZE Distagon 28/2 || Minolta Rokkor MD 35/1.8 || Rokkor-X MC 85/1.7 || Rokkor MD 85/1.7 || Olympus Zuiko MC Auto-W 21/2 || Olympus 100/2 || Nikon Nikkor 35/1.4 || Canon: FD 55/1.2 || Vivitar 90/2.5 Series 1 VMC || Tamron: 90/2.5 SP
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iangreenhalgh1
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Posted: Thu Oct 06, 2011 3:02 am Post subject: |
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iangreenhalgh1 wrote:
I have a Primotar and enjoy using it a lot for it's colours and bokeh. It's not as sharp as other 135s but it's sharp enough and the beautiful oof renderings can give really painterly images.
I agree, it does look odd, and as mine is quite beaten up looking it does look quite military/industrial. _________________ I don't care who designed it, who made it or what country it comes from - I just enjoy using it! |
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Kathmandu
Joined: 09 Dec 2009 Posts: 1479 Location: (Kathmandu,Nepal. Currently)Pacific Northwest, USA
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Posted: Thu Oct 06, 2011 3:47 am Post subject: |
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Kathmandu wrote:
iangreenhalgh1 wrote: |
I have a Primotar and enjoy using it a lot for it's colours and bokeh. It's not as sharp as other 135s but it's sharp enough and the beautiful oof renderings can give really painterly images.
I agree, it does look odd, and as mine is quite beaten up looking it does look quite military/industrial. |
Looks pretty sharp to me-you must have a bad copy. I have posted images with my copy in the "Oversized Gallery".
http://forum.mflenses.com/meyer-optik-goerlitz-primotar-135mm-f3-5-t41914.html _________________ kathmandu
Sony α 700 DSLR
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iangreenhalgh1
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Posted: Thu Oct 06, 2011 5:50 am Post subject: |
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iangreenhalgh1 wrote:
Well, wide open it's not very sharp, stop down to f8 and it's not bad, but both copies of my Pentacon 2.8/135 are noticeably sharper. _________________ I don't care who designed it, who made it or what country it comes from - I just enjoy using it! |
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martinsmith99
Joined: 31 Aug 2008 Posts: 6943 Location: S Glos, UK
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Posted: Thu Oct 06, 2011 5:58 am Post subject: |
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martinsmith99 wrote:
nixland wrote: |
Now I am wondering if there is any 135 lens with swirly bokeh. Though I think it's difficult to get the swirly bokeh for this focal length (or is it still possible?). |
Nice samples! I have a Pentacon preset 135 that swirls, as does the Tair 11; not to the same extent as the Biotar/Helios. _________________ Casual attendance these days |
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Pancolart
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Posted: Thu Oct 06, 2011 8:27 am Post subject: |
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Pancolart wrote:
Splendid samples Nixland. I must try mine. It seems one of the ugliest lenses to me on outside .
I've seen slight swirly bokeh on different 135mm. More can be obtained with speedy projector lenses. _________________ ---------------------------------
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nixland
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Posted: Thu Oct 06, 2011 2:57 pm Post subject: |
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nixland wrote:
Thanks All for the comments.
@martin: thanks a lot for the info. Meet you at your swirly 135 thread
@Pancolart: this lens is my ugliest lens so far .... Thanks for the suggestion about projection lens _________________ Carl Zeiss Jena: Biotar 58/2 1Q, DDR Pancolar 80/1.8 MC, Biotar 75/1.5, Biotar 10cm/2, DDR Sonnar 135/3.5 MC
Carl Zeiss C/Y: Planar 50/1.4 T*, Planar 85/1.4 T*, Planar 100/2 T*, Sonnar 135/2.8 T*
Leica: Summicron-R 35/2 v1, Summicron-R 50/2, Summilux-R 80/1.4, Summicron-R 90/2
Pentax: A 50/1.2
Minolta: Rokkor MC 58/1.2, Rokkor MC 85/1.7, Rokkor MC 100/2, MD 200/2.8
Olympus: Zuiko MC Auto-W 21/2, Zuiko 50/1.2, Zuiko MC Auto-T 85/2, Zuiko Auto-T 100/2
Nikon: Nikkor 28/2.8 Ais, Nikkor 85/1.8, Nikkor 105/1.8, 300/2.8 ED (Ais)
Canon: FD 50/1.2 L, FD 85/1.2 L
Sony: 135/2.8 STF
Jupiter: 85/2 Alu
Cyclop: 85/1.5
Meyer-Optic: Trioplan 100/2.8, Orestor 100/2.8, Primotar 135/3.5
Samyang: 8/3.5 FE, 14/2.8, 85/1.4, 85/1.4 UMC
FOR SALE
Carl Zeiss Jena Biotar 10cm/2 || Carl Zeiss ZE Distagon 28/2 || Minolta Rokkor MD 35/1.8 || Rokkor-X MC 85/1.7 || Rokkor MD 85/1.7 || Olympus Zuiko MC Auto-W 21/2 || Olympus 100/2 || Nikon Nikkor 35/1.4 || Canon: FD 55/1.2 || Vivitar 90/2.5 Series 1 VMC || Tamron: 90/2.5 SP
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iangreenhalgh1
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Posted: Thu Oct 06, 2011 4:01 pm Post subject: |
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iangreenhalgh1 wrote:
I think it's a tie between my Jupiter-11A and my Primotar in the ugly stakes, but I like em, have a gungy industrial/military look to em! _________________ I don't care who designed it, who made it or what country it comes from - I just enjoy using it! |
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nixland
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Posted: Thu Oct 06, 2011 4:27 pm Post subject: |
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nixland wrote:
iangreenhalgh1 wrote: |
I think it's a tie between my Jupiter-11A and my Primotar in the ugly stakes, but I like em, have a gungy industrial/military look to em! |
... and my Trioplan 100/2 silver looks like Star Wars lightsaber handle ...
One more 'oil-painting' bokeh from the black stick grenade lens.
_________________ Carl Zeiss Jena: Biotar 58/2 1Q, DDR Pancolar 80/1.8 MC, Biotar 75/1.5, Biotar 10cm/2, DDR Sonnar 135/3.5 MC
Carl Zeiss C/Y: Planar 50/1.4 T*, Planar 85/1.4 T*, Planar 100/2 T*, Sonnar 135/2.8 T*
Leica: Summicron-R 35/2 v1, Summicron-R 50/2, Summilux-R 80/1.4, Summicron-R 90/2
Pentax: A 50/1.2
Minolta: Rokkor MC 58/1.2, Rokkor MC 85/1.7, Rokkor MC 100/2, MD 200/2.8
Olympus: Zuiko MC Auto-W 21/2, Zuiko 50/1.2, Zuiko MC Auto-T 85/2, Zuiko Auto-T 100/2
Nikon: Nikkor 28/2.8 Ais, Nikkor 85/1.8, Nikkor 105/1.8, 300/2.8 ED (Ais)
Canon: FD 50/1.2 L, FD 85/1.2 L
Sony: 135/2.8 STF
Jupiter: 85/2 Alu
Cyclop: 85/1.5
Meyer-Optic: Trioplan 100/2.8, Orestor 100/2.8, Primotar 135/3.5
Samyang: 8/3.5 FE, 14/2.8, 85/1.4, 85/1.4 UMC
FOR SALE
Carl Zeiss Jena Biotar 10cm/2 || Carl Zeiss ZE Distagon 28/2 || Minolta Rokkor MD 35/1.8 || Rokkor-X MC 85/1.7 || Rokkor MD 85/1.7 || Olympus Zuiko MC Auto-W 21/2 || Olympus 100/2 || Nikon Nikkor 35/1.4 || Canon: FD 55/1.2 || Vivitar 90/2.5 Series 1 VMC || Tamron: 90/2.5 SP
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nixland
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Posted: Sat Oct 08, 2011 11:54 pm Post subject: |
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nixland wrote:
The black flashlight, The stun grenade ... Primotar 135 ..
_________________ Carl Zeiss Jena: Biotar 58/2 1Q, DDR Pancolar 80/1.8 MC, Biotar 75/1.5, Biotar 10cm/2, DDR Sonnar 135/3.5 MC
Carl Zeiss C/Y: Planar 50/1.4 T*, Planar 85/1.4 T*, Planar 100/2 T*, Sonnar 135/2.8 T*
Leica: Summicron-R 35/2 v1, Summicron-R 50/2, Summilux-R 80/1.4, Summicron-R 90/2
Pentax: A 50/1.2
Minolta: Rokkor MC 58/1.2, Rokkor MC 85/1.7, Rokkor MC 100/2, MD 200/2.8
Olympus: Zuiko MC Auto-W 21/2, Zuiko 50/1.2, Zuiko MC Auto-T 85/2, Zuiko Auto-T 100/2
Nikon: Nikkor 28/2.8 Ais, Nikkor 85/1.8, Nikkor 105/1.8, 300/2.8 ED (Ais)
Canon: FD 50/1.2 L, FD 85/1.2 L
Sony: 135/2.8 STF
Jupiter: 85/2 Alu
Cyclop: 85/1.5
Meyer-Optic: Trioplan 100/2.8, Orestor 100/2.8, Primotar 135/3.5
Samyang: 8/3.5 FE, 14/2.8, 85/1.4, 85/1.4 UMC
FOR SALE
Carl Zeiss Jena Biotar 10cm/2 || Carl Zeiss ZE Distagon 28/2 || Minolta Rokkor MD 35/1.8 || Rokkor-X MC 85/1.7 || Rokkor MD 85/1.7 || Olympus Zuiko MC Auto-W 21/2 || Olympus 100/2 || Nikon Nikkor 35/1.4 || Canon: FD 55/1.2 || Vivitar 90/2.5 Series 1 VMC || Tamron: 90/2.5 SP
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Grafomefos
Joined: 29 Mar 2013 Posts: 9 Location: Prague, Czech Republic
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Posted: Fri Mar 29, 2013 4:25 pm Post subject: |
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Grafomefos wrote:
I couldn´t find much info about this lens. So I bought it based on this thread and the pictures showed here. I didn´t have much time to test it yet...here is a picture after ten minutes of shooting with it, I think I will like it
_________________ http://grafomefos.webnode.cz/fotogalerie/
MOG: Trioplan 50/2.9, Primoplan 58/1.9, Orestegor 200/4, Primotar 135/3.5
CZJ: Flektogon 35/2.4, Tessar 50/2.8
Pentacon 135/2.8, Pentacon 50/1.8
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ZoneV
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Posted: Wed Apr 03, 2013 3:59 pm Post subject: |
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ZoneV wrote:
Thank you, nice image!
I have taken my Priomplan too use it again after long time - normaly I use the Trioplan / Diaplan instead. _________________ Camera modification, repair and DIY - some links to look through: http://www.4photos.de/camera-diy/index-en.html
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