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Flor27
Joined: 13 Sep 2007 Posts: 1195 Location: Paris, France
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Posted: Thu Nov 15, 2007 1:01 am Post subject: Medium format lens to 35mm and calculations... |
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Flor27 wrote:
Hi,
I would like to know how to calculate the resulting focale lengh and angle of view if I feet a medium format lens to my 35mm camera. I'm not aware in photographic mathematics actually
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Laurence
Joined: 26 Mar 2007 Posts: 4809 Location: Western Washington State
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Posted: Thu Nov 15, 2007 2:30 am Post subject: Re: Medium format lens to 35mm and calculations... |
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Laurence wrote:
Flor27 wrote: |
Hi,
I would like to know how to calculate the resulting focale lengh and angle of view if I feet a medium format lens to my 35mm camera. I'm not aware in photographic mathematics actually
Thanks ! |
For my Pentax 645, I simply multiplied the medium format focal length by 0.6 to come up with a "rough" estimate as compared to a 35mm outfit.
Here's a nice way to calculate:
http://www.alpa.ch/files/knowledgebase/27/ALPA_CFL_Calc_200606.xls
And, as it indicates, there are quite a number of factors that must be considered to attain an EXACT comparison. _________________
Assent, and you are sane;
Demur,—you ’re straightway dangerous,
And handled with a chain.
Emily Dickinson
Cameras and Lenses in Use:
Yashica Mat 124 w/ Yashinon 80/3.5,
CV Apo-Lanthar 90/3.5SL, (Thank you Klaus),
Pentax 645,
Flek 50,
Pentax-A 150
Pentax-A 120 Macro
Voigtlander Vitomatic I w/Color Skopar 50/2.8
Konica TC and zoom lenses (thanks Carsten)
Contax AX
Yashica ML 50/2
Yashica ML 35/2.8
Carl Zeiss Contax 50/1.4
Tamron Adaptall SP 17/3.5
Tamron Adaptall 28/2.5
Tamron Adaptall SP 300/2.8 LD (IF)
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rick_oleson
Joined: 26 Feb 2007 Posts: 386 Location: Lexington Kentucky USA
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Posted: Thu Nov 15, 2007 3:11 am Post subject: |
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rick_oleson wrote:
Since the proportions are different, there is no exact "right" answer. Probably the easiest way to get into the ballpark is to look at the normal lens on your MF camera and divide that by 50mm to get a correction factor: if you have an 80mm normal on a 6x6 camera, for example, the factor would then be 1.6 (80/50).
The optician's way is to measure the diagonal of the negative and use that as the standard: 6x6 cameras often are actually closer to 56mm square; the diagonal of that is 80mm. 35mm is 24x36, the diagonal of which is 43mm.... so if you use that method, the correction factor is 80/43, or almost 1.9. But, you use the whole 80mm only if you print square format prints, if you crop them down for 8x10s or whatever, you're back closer to the 1.6 calculated above.
There are other ways to look at it too: if you use both cameras for square prints, then you're only getting 24mm square on the 35mm negative, so that makes it 80/34 or 2.4. Or, if you use both cameras for 8x10 format prints, you're using 24x30 on the 35mm and 45x56 on the MF... that gives you 72/38 or a 1.9 correction factor.
That last one may actually be the closest to reality for most people. _________________ I don't know what I want to be when I grow up |
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rick_oleson
Joined: 26 Feb 2007 Posts: 386 Location: Lexington Kentucky USA
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Posted: Thu Nov 15, 2007 3:15 am Post subject: |
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rick_oleson wrote:
Looking at your question again, I think there might be a little extra confusion:
If you're familiar with the 35mm format, and you fit, say, an 80mm medium format lens onto your 35mm camera with an adapter, the 80mm MF lens will perform just like an 80mm short tele made for the 35mm camera. In that sense, there is no 'crop factor' involved; the medium format lens will behave exactly as its marked focal length indicates. _________________ I don't know what I want to be when I grow up |
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Laurence
Joined: 26 Mar 2007 Posts: 4809 Location: Western Washington State
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Posted: Thu Nov 15, 2007 3:42 am Post subject: |
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Laurence wrote:
rick_oleson wrote: |
Looking at your question again, I think there might be a little extra confusion:
If you're familiar with the 35mm format, and you fit, say, an 80mm medium format lens onto your 35mm camera with an adapter, the 80mm MF lens will perform just like an 80mm short tele made for the 35mm camera. In that sense, there is no 'crop factor' involved; the medium format lens will behave exactly as its marked focal length indicates. |
I never thought of it that way, very interesting, and certainly an elegant mental image.
By the way, your little avatar space showing all those lenses is pretty neat. Looks like it must be a fine collection. _________________
Assent, and you are sane;
Demur,—you ’re straightway dangerous,
And handled with a chain.
Emily Dickinson
Cameras and Lenses in Use:
Yashica Mat 124 w/ Yashinon 80/3.5,
CV Apo-Lanthar 90/3.5SL, (Thank you Klaus),
Pentax 645,
Flek 50,
Pentax-A 150
Pentax-A 120 Macro
Voigtlander Vitomatic I w/Color Skopar 50/2.8
Konica TC and zoom lenses (thanks Carsten)
Contax AX
Yashica ML 50/2
Yashica ML 35/2.8
Carl Zeiss Contax 50/1.4
Tamron Adaptall SP 17/3.5
Tamron Adaptall 28/2.5
Tamron Adaptall SP 300/2.8 LD (IF)
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rick_oleson
Joined: 26 Feb 2007 Posts: 386 Location: Lexington Kentucky USA
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Posted: Thu Nov 15, 2007 4:27 am Post subject: |
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rick_oleson wrote:
Those are all of the lenses that I have adapters to use on my Canon DSLR.... 43 in all, I think. I don't think I've actually USED them all on it.... _________________ I don't know what I want to be when I grow up |
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Laurence
Joined: 26 Mar 2007 Posts: 4809 Location: Western Washington State
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Posted: Thu Nov 15, 2007 4:35 am Post subject: |
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Laurence wrote:
rick_oleson wrote: |
Those are all of the lenses that I have adapters to use on my Canon DSLR.... 43 in all, I think. I don't think I've actually USED them all on it.... |
Holy Smokes!
Nothing like having an ARMY ready to roll!
Nice... _________________
Assent, and you are sane;
Demur,—you ’re straightway dangerous,
And handled with a chain.
Emily Dickinson
Cameras and Lenses in Use:
Yashica Mat 124 w/ Yashinon 80/3.5,
CV Apo-Lanthar 90/3.5SL, (Thank you Klaus),
Pentax 645,
Flek 50,
Pentax-A 150
Pentax-A 120 Macro
Voigtlander Vitomatic I w/Color Skopar 50/2.8
Konica TC and zoom lenses (thanks Carsten)
Contax AX
Yashica ML 50/2
Yashica ML 35/2.8
Carl Zeiss Contax 50/1.4
Tamron Adaptall SP 17/3.5
Tamron Adaptall 28/2.5
Tamron Adaptall SP 300/2.8 LD (IF)
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rick_oleson
Joined: 26 Feb 2007 Posts: 386 Location: Lexington Kentucky USA
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Posted: Thu Nov 15, 2007 11:37 am Post subject: |
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rick_oleson wrote:
there is a down side: you need a cabinet the size of a barracks to keep them in.....
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