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MF-addicted
Joined: 11 Mar 2009 Posts: 803 Location: Stuttgart (Germany)
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Posted: Tue Jan 26, 2010 8:33 pm Post subject: |
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MF-addicted wrote:
#1 is great.
I have got a silimar lens Sigma XQ 1,8/135 for sale in the marketplace section. _________________
EOS 5D MK II, EOS 5D Classic, EOS 400D --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Canon FD to EOS converted: FD 1,4/24 asph, FD 2,8/300 L
Carl Zeiss Jena:Pancolar 2/50, black Biotar 2/5,8cm 17bl., slim Biotar 1,5/7,5cm 18bl., Pancolar 1,8/80mm, Sonnar 3,5/135, Triotar 4/135
Carl Zeiss: Distagon 4/18T*, Distagon 1,4/35 HFT, Planar 1,4/50 T*, Vario-Sonnar 3,4/35-70 T*,Vario-Sonnar 4,5-5,6/100-300 T*
Leitz: Elmarit-R 2.8/28 E55 II, Summicron-R 35 I, Elmarit-R Wetzlar 2.8/35 E55 II, Summicron-R 2/50 Wetzlar I, Macro Elmarit-R 2.8/60 I, Summicron-R 2/90 E55 I, Elmarit-R 2,8/90 I, Elmarit-R Wetzlar 2,8/135 I, Elmarit-R 2.8/180 Wetzlar E67 II, Vario Elmar 4/70-210 E60, MR Telyt-R 8/500
Schneider: Xenar 2.8/50
Russian: Industar 50-2, Industar 61,Helios-44-1 2/58mm,Helios-44-2 2/58mm, MC 3M-5CA 8/500
Meyer: Pentacon 3,5/30, Domiplan 2,8/50, Trioplan 2,9/50, Trioplan 3,5/75, Trioplan 2,8/100, Orestor 2,8/135mm, Orestegon 4/200
ISCO: Westron 2,8/35, Westron 3,5/35, Tele-Westanar 3,5/135, Tele-Westanar 4/180
Yashica: ML 15, ML 21, ML 24, ML 28, ML 35, ML 100/3.5 Macro,
Nikon: Nikkor AI 2,0/24, Nikkor AIS 2,0/28, Nikkor Ai 1,8/50, Nikkor-P (Sonnar) 2,5/105 silver, Nikkor-P (Gauss) 2,5/105 black
Steinheil Cassar 3,5-4,5/75 VL, Quinar 3,5/85, Culminar 4,5/105, Culminar 4,5/135, Auto-D Tele Quinar 2,8/135
Tomioka Tomioka - Cosinon 1,2/55, Tomioka - Revuenon 1,4/55
Voigtländer: Septon 2/50
Others: Officine Galileo Ingra 3,5/5cm, Wilon 4,5/75, Dallmeyer 4,5/4", Bonotar 4,5/105,
Lenses for sale, please contact via PM: None at the moment
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Mal1905
Joined: 30 Oct 2008 Posts: 1705 Location: Dublin, Ireland
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Posted: Tue Jan 26, 2010 9:07 pm Post subject: |
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Mal1905 wrote:
I have this lens in the Accura / Mitake brand - it's a real weapon _________________
Canon EOS 5D / EOS 40D
Carl Zeiss Jena: Flektogon 2.8/20, 2.4/35, 2.8/35, Pancolar 2/50, MC 1.8/50, MC 1.8/80, Triotar 4/135, Tessar 2.8/50, S 4/135 1Q, S 3.5/135, Sonnar 3.5/135 MC, 2.8/180, Biotar 2/5,8cm, 2/58, 1.5/75
Carl Zeiss: Distagon 2/28 T*, 1.4/35 T*, Ultron 1.8/50, Tessar 2.8/50, Planar 1.4/50 T* MM, 1.7/50 T* MM, 1.4/85 T* AEG, Sonnar 2.8/135 T*
Asahi Optical Co.: Super-Multi-Coated Takumar 4.5/20, 3.5/24, 3.5/28, 2/35, 3.5/35, 1.4/50, 1.8/55, 1.8/85, 2.8/105, 2.8/120, 2.5/135 I & II, 3.5/135, 4/150, 4/200, 4/300, 5.6/400, 4/45-125, 4.5/85-210, Super-Takumar 4.5/20, 3.5/24, 3.5/28, 2/35, 3.5/35, 1.4/50, 1.8/55, 2/55, 2.8/105, 3.5/135, 4/150, 4/200, 4.5/70-150, Fish-Eye-Takumar 4/17, Macro-Takumar 4/50, Super-Macro Takumar 4/50, Super-Multi-Coated Macro-Takumar 4/50, 4/100, Bellows-Takumar 4/100, Asahi-Kogaku Takumar 3.5/50, 2.4/58, 3.5/100, Asahi-Kogaku Tele-Takumar 3.5/135, Auto-Takumar 2.3/35, 3.5/35, 1.8/55, 1.8/55 (Zebra), 2/55, 2.2/55, 1.8/85, 2.8/105, 3.5/135, Takumar 4/35, 2.2/55, 2/58, 2.8/105, 3.5/135, 3.5/200, 5.6/200, Tele-Takumar 5.6/200, 6.3/300, SMC Takumar 1.4/50, 1.8/55, 2/55, SMC-M 1.4/50, 1.7/50, 2/50
Tomioka: Tominon 2/5cm, Auto-Chinon 3.5/21, 1.4/55, Auto-Yashinon DS-M 1.2/55 |
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no-X
Joined: 19 Jul 2008 Posts: 2495 Location: Budejky, Czech Republic
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Posted: Tue Jan 26, 2010 9:09 pm Post subject: |
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no-X wrote:
mflex-on wrote: |
I had one. This is one of the lenses where the idea goes behind feasibility. I do not know any other lens that is so much prone to halos and koma. |
I agree... it is heavy, it's difficult to focus precisely, the lens has tons of CA, halos, maybe the design shows all currently known optical aberrations (maybe it has even the currently unknown ones ), but it simply WORKS
And that's the reason why I keep my copy _________________ (almost) complete list of Helios lenses |
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ZoneV
Joined: 09 Nov 2009 Posts: 1633 Location: Germany
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Posted: Tue Jan 26, 2010 9:16 pm Post subject: |
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ZoneV wrote:
Furthermore my lens was even cheaper than the Canon FD 135/2.0 today. I don´t remember the price I payed for that lens, but in those times I didn´t spent that much on photo equipment with dubious quality, and that scratch on the front lens was an good point to deal on the flea market. _________________ Camera modification, repair and DIY - some links to look through: http://www.4photos.de/camera-diy/index-en.html
I AM A LENS NERD!
Epis, Elmaron, Emerald, Ernostar, Helioplan and Heidosmat.
Epiotar, Kameraobjektiv, Anastigmat, Epis, Meganast, Magnagon, Quinar, Culmigon, Novotrinast, Novflexar, Colorplan, Sekor, Kinon, Talon, Telemegor, Xenon, Xenar, Ultra, Ultra Star. Tessar, Janar, Visionar, Kiptar, Kipronar and Rotelar.
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AMDBill
Joined: 09 Feb 2010 Posts: 109
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Posted: Mon Apr 12, 2010 1:58 pm Post subject: |
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AMDBill wrote:
hello
i have buy the carbonR's beroflex 135/1.8 witch is exactly the same as samigon listed here http://www.pbase.com/pganzel/samigon_135mm_f18_on_maxxum_7d
same color ,exact copy
but ,after a lot of search on the web ,i find ,in an asian forum ,there s different optical shemes
sigma YS has it s own design 6/5
after there s the soligor type ,this is the one dismantle by P Ganzel whith the big triplet .it s a 5/3
certainly same optical sheme under different names
and the 3rd version ,the spiratone ,whit 6/4 optical design
all of them are sonnar type i think
mine ,when i look trought whith a light source seems to be very similar with the spiratone first a doublet and after a single element
it will be interesting to know who have best quality/resolution ,and who made what |
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Attila
Joined: 24 Feb 2007 Posts: 57839 Location: Hungary
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Posted: Mon Apr 12, 2010 2:09 pm Post subject: |
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Attila wrote:
Beautiful sample Jiri! _________________ -------------------------------
Items on sale on Ebay
Sony NEX-7 Carl Zeiss Planar 85mm f1.4, Minolta MD 35mm f1.8, Konica 135mm f2.5, Minolta MD 50mm f1.2, Minolta MD 250mm f5.6, Carl Zeiss Sonnar 180mm f2.8
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no-X
Joined: 19 Jul 2008 Posts: 2495 Location: Budejky, Czech Republic
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Posted: Mon Apr 12, 2010 2:34 pm Post subject: |
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no-X wrote:
Attila: Thanks!
AMDBill: Nice find. Thank you.
True (or typical) Sonnar is the one in the Ganzels drawing. The other two are heavily modified Ernostars (the Sigma has slight gaussian touch).
I took my Spiratone, flashlight and... voila, we have 4th 135/1.8 design in list...
My Spiratone isn't like the pictured one, I have the older model, which has different look, is native M42, doesn't state "Auto" word in it's name, but:
"1:1.8 f=135mm No.532xxx lens made in Japan SPIRATONE PLURA-COAT By Mitake"
this one has 3 elements in front group (none is cemented) and rear group consists of cemented doublet... seems to be Ernostar with rear element replaced by cemented doublet... something like:
http://kmp.bdimitrov.de/ _________________ (almost) complete list of Helios lenses |
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estudleon
Joined: 15 May 2008 Posts: 3754 Location: Argentina
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Posted: Mon Apr 12, 2010 2:38 pm Post subject: |
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estudleon wrote:
AMDBill wrote: |
hello
i have buy the carbonR's beroflex 135/1.8 witch is exactly the same as samigon listed here http://www.pbase.com/pganzel/samigon_135mm_f18_on_maxxum_7d
same color ,exact copy
but ,after a lot of search on the web ,i find ,in an asian forum ,there s different optical shemes
sigma YS has it s own design 6/5
after there s the soligor type ,this is the one dismantle by P Ganzel whith the big triplet .it s a 5/3
certainly same optical sheme under different names
and the 3rd version ,the spiratone ,whit 6/4 optical design
all of them are sonnar type i think
mine ,when i look trought whith a light source seems to be very similar with the spiratone first a doublet and after a single element
it will be interesting to know who have best quality/resolution ,and who made what |
I like this post very much.
I saw a soligor (very old from the 60's) and perhaps it's a sonnar type lens, like you say.
Excelent to know the performance of the three and who made which.
Thanks to share your interest.
Rino. _________________ Konica 2,8/100
CZJ: 4/20, 2,4/35, 1,8/50 aus jena, 3,5/135MC, Pentacon 1,8/50
Pentax S-M-C-1,4/50
Helios 44-3
Mamiya 2,8/135
Misc. : jupiter 9
Stuff used:
A) SRL
Alpa 10 D - kern macro Switar 1,9/50 -black, Kilffit apochromat 2/100.
Asahi pentax spotmatic super takumar 1,4/50
Contaflex super B tessar 2,8/50 Pro-tessar 115
Leica R3 electronic summicron 2/50 elmarit 2,8/35
Konica Autoreflex 3 (2 black and chrome one), TC, T4. 2,8/24, 3,5/28 not MC and MC, 1,8/40, 1,4/50, 1,7/50 MC and not MC, 1,8/85, 3,2/135, 3,5/135, 4/200
Minolta XG9 2,8/35, 2/45, 3,5/135
Nikkormat FTn 1,4/50, 2,8/135
Fujica ST 801, 605, 705n. 3,5/19, 1,4/50, 1,8/55, 4/85, 3,5/135.
Praktica MTL 5 and a lot of M42 lenses.
Voigtlander. Bessamatic m, bessamatix de luxe, bessamatic cs, ultramatic and ultramatic cs.
Skoparex 3,5/35, skopagon 2/40, skopar 2,8/50, skopar X 2,8/50, super lanthar (out of catalogue) 2,8/50, dinarex 3,4/90, dinarex 4,8/100, super dinarex 4/135, super dinarex 4/200, zoomar 2,8/36-83, portrait lens 0, 1 and 2. Curtagon 4/28 and 2,8/35
Canon AV1, 1,8/50
Rolleiflex SL35 and SL35 E. 2,8/35 angulon, 2,8/35 distagon, 1,4/55 rolleinar, 1,8/50 planar, 4/135 tessar, 2,8/135 rolleinar, x2 rollei, M42 to rollei adap.
Etc.
RF
Yashica Minister III
Voightlander Vito, vitomatic I, Vito C, etc.
Leica M. M2, M3 (d.s.) and M4. Schenider 3,4/21, 2/35 summaron 2,8/35 (with eyes). Summicron 2/35 (8 elements with eyes), 2/35 chrome, 2/35 black, 1,4/35 pre asph and aspheric - old -, 2/40 summicron, 2,8/50 elmar, 2/50 7 elements, 2/50 DR, 2/50 - minolta version, 1,4/50 summilux 1966 version, 1,4/75 summilux, 2/90 large version, 2/90 reduced version of 1987, 2,8/90 elmarit large version, 4/135 elmar. |
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cooltouch
Joined: 15 Jan 2009 Posts: 9097 Location: Houston, Texas
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Posted: Mon Apr 12, 2010 3:31 pm Post subject: |
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cooltouch wrote:
I owned one under a different brand name a couple of decades ago. It was impressive in size and weight, but it was rather soft wide open. At about this same time, I acquired one of Vivitar's legendary 135mm f/1.5 "Professional" lenses. Talk about soft wide open! Anyway, I didn't see much use to keep the 135/1.8 when I had the Vivitar monster so I sold it.
There's a fellow on Flickr who has a Spiratone 135mm f/1.8, and who's taken a bunch of shots with it and his 5D. Here's his '135mm' set:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/mattbenn8/tags/135mm/
It'll give you a pretty good idea what the capabilities of the lens are. Me, I think it works better with a DSLR than it did with the old film cameras I used mine on -- if mine was even the same optical formula of the Spiratone, which it may not have been. _________________ Michael
My Gear List: http://michaelmcbroom.com/photo/gear.html
My Gallery: http://michaelmcbroom.com/gallery3/index.php/
My Flickr Page: https://www.flickr.com/photos/11308754@N08/albums
My Music: https://soundcloud.com/michaelmcbroom/albums
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AMDBill
Joined: 09 Feb 2010 Posts: 109
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Posted: Mon Apr 12, 2010 3:32 pm Post subject: |
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AMDBill wrote:
@ No-X can you post a pic of youre's ?
i m pleased to know mine is a ernostar modified
@estudleon : thank s a lot |
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AMDBill
Joined: 09 Feb 2010 Posts: 109
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Posted: Mon Apr 12, 2010 3:35 pm Post subject: |
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AMDBill wrote:
i love mine ,a lot of CA ,but i don t care
the beroflex weight 1100Gr approximatively
and your's ? |
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no-X
Joined: 19 Jul 2008 Posts: 2495 Location: Budejky, Czech Republic
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Posted: Mon Apr 12, 2010 4:29 pm Post subject: |
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no-X wrote:
I'll post a picture of the lens tomorrow _________________ (almost) complete list of Helios lenses |
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cheekygeek
Joined: 05 Aug 2008 Posts: 183
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Posted: Tue Apr 13, 2010 12:58 am Post subject: |
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cheekygeek wrote:
To help keep the discussion more clear, please specify the filter size of the lens you are referring to. There were 135mm f1.8 lenses with an 82mm filter size and later version(s) with 77mm. _________________ DSLR: Pentax K-3 II, D-BG5 grip, SLR: Pentax SP500, Pentax SP, Pentax SP II, Pentax Spotmatic F, MX, ME-Super, Super Program, pZ-1
Lenses:
Tele-Takumar: 300mm f6.3; 200mm f5.6; Takumar 200mm f3.5; Takumar 135mm f3.5; Macro-Takumar 50mm f4 (1:1)Super Takumars: 24mm f3.5, 55mm f2.0, 135mm f3.5; S-M-C Takumar 35mm f3.5, 50mm Macro f4.0 (1:2), 50mm f1.4, 135mm f2.5 (v2); Pentax SMC K 17mm f4 fisheye; Pentax-A: 50mm f1.4, 35-70mm f4; Pentacon: 50mm f1.8; Spiratone 85mm f1.8 (y/s); Vivitar: 85mm f1.8 preset; Carl Zeiss Jena Flektogon Electric 35mm f2,4 |
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cooltouch
Joined: 15 Jan 2009 Posts: 9097 Location: Houston, Texas
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Posted: Tue Apr 13, 2010 1:01 am Post subject: |
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cooltouch wrote:
cheekygeek wrote: |
To help keep the discussion more clear, please specify the filter size of the lens you are referring to. There were 135mm f1.8 lenses with an 82mm filter size and later version(s) with 77mm. |
The one I had, which I think was a Sigma, was 82mm. M42 mount. It was pretty old. _________________ Michael
My Gear List: http://michaelmcbroom.com/photo/gear.html
My Gallery: http://michaelmcbroom.com/gallery3/index.php/
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My Music: https://soundcloud.com/michaelmcbroom/albums
My Blog: http://michaelmcbroom.com/blogistan/ |
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AMDBill
Joined: 09 Feb 2010 Posts: 109
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Posted: Tue Apr 13, 2010 12:24 pm Post subject: |
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AMDBill wrote:
hello
mine is 82mm filter tread and weight 1100gr ,huge and heavy
love it in low light ,but can't use it under sunshine ,even stop down at f8-11 ,to much flare and coma
with a flash it s very good too ,seems to be more crispy |
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JWH
Joined: 26 Aug 2009 Posts: 120 Location: Netherlands
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Posted: Tue Apr 13, 2010 1:54 pm Post subject: |
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JWH wrote:
Ah fun seeing my thread filled with amazing info!
I have yet to try my sample out under conditions for which it's made, or so I think. During the day with the sun out it's indeed not the prettiest lens, but I'm thinking of taking it with me on a gig when I to one with harsh lights. |
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Spotmatic
Joined: 18 Aug 2008 Posts: 4045 Location: Netherlands
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Posted: Tue Apr 13, 2010 2:02 pm Post subject: |
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Spotmatic wrote:
AMDBill wrote: |
hello
mine is 82mm filter tread and weight 1100gr ,huge and heavy
love it in low light ,but can't use it under sunshine ,even stop down at f8-11 ,to much flare and coma
with a flash it s very good too ,seems to be more crispy |
With a flash almost any lens shows good results...
I never liked the 135mm f/1.8 Eyemik I had, indeed due to the abundance of coma. This lens is very picky and works well with isolated subjects. _________________ Peter - Moderator
Pentax K-5 + Pentax 645 + Canon 5D + Bessa RF 10,5cm Heliar, and a 'little' bag full of MF lenses. The lens list is * here *.
My fast 80s: Asahi-Kogaku Takumar 83mm f/1.9 - Super-Takumar 85mm f/1.9 - FA 77mm f/1.8 Limited - Cyclop 85/1.5 (Helios-40 innards) - Komura 80mm f/1.8 - Meyer Görlitz Primoplan 7,5cm 1:1.9 - Carl Zeiss Jena 80mm f/1.8 Pancolar - Canon 85mm f/1.8 S.S.C. - Canon 85mm f/1.2 S.S.C. Aspherical |
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no-X
Joined: 19 Jul 2008 Posts: 2495 Location: Budejky, Czech Republic
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Posted: Wed Apr 14, 2010 9:44 am Post subject: |
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no-X wrote:
AMDBill wrote: |
@ No-X can you post a pic of youre's ? |
1:1.8 f=135mm No.532xxx lens made in Japan SPIRATONE PLURA-COAT By Mitake
- native M42
- 8 aperture blades
- A/M switch
- 82mm filter thread
- close focusing: 1.7m
- aperture values: 1.8-2.8-4-5.6-8-11-16
- length (without M42 thread): 92mm
- weight (approximate): 810g
- front element: significantly curved
- rear element: almost flat
- optical design: 5/4: 111-2, likely ernostar-type
_________________ (almost) complete list of Helios lenses |
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DSG
Joined: 04 Mar 2007 Posts: 544 Location: London, UK.
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Posted: Thu Apr 15, 2010 5:33 pm Post subject: |
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DSG wrote:
Some of you may remember my Y/S mount Sigmatel Multi Scalematic 135mm f1.8, which is razor sharp at f4-F5.6...It has a 77mm filter thread.
I only have a kitchen scale which is'nt very accurate but it gives the weight of the bare lens, with a Y/S-M42 adapter fitted as 825g. With both lenscaps, an M42-SA adapter plus a Sonia Brand 77mm lenshood fitted the weight according to my kitchen scale is 950g.
I have tried the trick of shining a torch through to see how many elements it has but I cant see anything so I have'nt a clue which of the 4 types it is? |
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doodleink
Joined: 02 Dec 2009 Posts: 6
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Posted: Sat Apr 17, 2010 10:20 am Post subject: |
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doodleink wrote:
How much does this lens sell for? and/or how much have you guys purchased this lens for? |
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mflex-on
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Posted: Sat Apr 17, 2010 10:55 am Post subject: |
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mflex-on wrote:
no-X wrote: |
I agree... it is heavy, it's difficult to focus precisely, the lens has tons of CA, halos, maybe the design shows all currently known optical aberrations (maybe it has even the currently unknown ones ), but it simply WORKS
And that's the reason why I keep my copy |
To choose a green backgraund is the best idea regarding the tons of green aberrations |
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mflex-on
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Posted: Sat Apr 17, 2010 11:06 am Post subject: |
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mflex-on wrote:
doodleink wrote: |
How much does this lens sell for? and/or how much have you guys purchased this lens for? |
The lens is listed in the "Kadlubek’s lens catalogue" for 130 EUR. That is a appropriate price I think.
On ebay I think you can start around 180 ... |
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ZoneV
Joined: 09 Nov 2009 Posts: 1633 Location: Germany
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Posted: Sat Apr 17, 2010 8:03 pm Post subject: |
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ZoneV wrote:
I bought mine a long time ago, I suppose that the price on the flea market was under 100 DM - which is now only ~ 50 Euro.
But the lens had a big scratch on the front lens, some 50 millimeters long.
Without long shade the contrast is often very, very bad.
Furthermore I found some mild fungus on the inside of the last lens.
The last Ebay auction ends at 231 Euro! _________________ Camera modification, repair and DIY - some links to look through: http://www.4photos.de/camera-diy/index-en.html
I AM A LENS NERD!
Epis, Elmaron, Emerald, Ernostar, Helioplan and Heidosmat.
Epiotar, Kameraobjektiv, Anastigmat, Epis, Meganast, Magnagon, Quinar, Culmigon, Novotrinast, Novflexar, Colorplan, Sekor, Kinon, Talon, Telemegor, Xenon, Xenar, Ultra, Ultra Star. Tessar, Janar, Visionar, Kiptar, Kipronar and Rotelar.
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DSG
Joined: 04 Mar 2007 Posts: 544 Location: London, UK.
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Posted: Sat Apr 09, 2011 1:36 pm Post subject: |
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DSG wrote:
mflex-on wrote: |
no-X wrote: |
I agree... it is heavy, it's difficult to focus precisely, the lens has tons of CA, halos, maybe the design shows all currently known optical aberrations (maybe it has even the currently unknown ones ), but it simply WORKS
And that's the reason why I keep my copy |
To choose a green backgraund is the best idea regarding the tons of green aberrations |
What green abberations? Heres one from the Sigmatel with a green background:
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wwu124
Joined: 17 Sep 2011 Posts: 30 Location: Texas
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Posted: Sat Sep 17, 2011 12:34 pm Post subject: My Formula 5 MC 135/1.8 by Mitake |
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wwu124 wrote:
Check out my Formula 5 MC 135/1.8 by Mitake on my Minolta 7D. I have converted this lens to Minolta/Sony A-mount. Here is the link:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/wwu124/sets/72157626686621855/ _________________ I am a Minolta shooter, currently using Minolta 7D most of the time. Here is my major lens collection list (all Minolta AF except those with notes added): 28/2.0, 35/2.0, 100/2.0, 100/2.8 Macro, 135/2.8, 50/1.4, 50/1.7, 50/2.8 Macro, 85/1.4, 28-135 Secrete Handshake, 75-300 Big Beercan, 24-105 D, Sony 70-200G SSM, MC Rokkor-PG 50/1.2 converted to Minolta/Sony A-mount, RF Rokkor-X 250/5.6 converted to Minolta/Sony A-mount, Formula 5 MC 135/1.8 by Mitake converted to Minolta/Sony A-mount |
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