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Identifying Helios-44, what year is it? Anything special?
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 01, 2017 10:48 pm    Post subject: Identifying Helios-44, what year is it? Anything special? Reply with quote
I'm new to Vintage Lens and I wanted to ask if anyone can identify the year on this Helios-44 lens, it's also the first vintage lens I bought. I was told the first two numbers should indicate the year on Russian lens but there are 000 as the first three numbers, also this lens has 13 blades and there's a comma for "5,8" which makes me think there's something completely different about it. Could someone provide me insight on this lens and identify what year it was made in?




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PostPosted: Fri Sep 01, 2017 10:55 pm    Post subject: Re: My First Vintage Lens, what year is it? Reply with quote
AndyPham7 wrote:
I'm new to Vintage Lens and I wanted to ask if anyone can identify the year on this Helios-44 lens, it's also the first vintage lens I bought. I was told the first two numbers should indicate the year on Russian lens but there are 000 as the first three numbers, also this lens has 13 blades and there's a comma for "5,8" which makes me think there's something completely different about it. Could someone provide me insight on this lens and identify what year it was made in?

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PostPosted: Fri Sep 01, 2017 11:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
The 000 serial numbers are supposed to indicate being made for Soviet hierarchy, and made to a higher standard. The 13 blade 44-2's are also uncommon and much sought after. I think you've got a nice lens there.


PostPosted: Fri Sep 01, 2017 11:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
I'm not convinced that 00, 000, 0000 serial numbered lenses were specially made for Party members, I think they were just early production.
That said, it's a good lens, I assume it's the type that goes to f22, they are the first generation type of H44, which later had the body redesigned and goes to f16.


PostPosted: Sat Sep 02, 2017 12:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
Yes, it says F22 on it. What year were the first generations made? Also, does anyone have a clean and polish product they recommend to clean out those aluminum pits?

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PostPosted: Sat Sep 02, 2017 12:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
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http://forum.mflenses.com/complete-list-of-helios-lenses-getting-closer-t26100.html#1009166
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 02, 2017 4:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
Nice lens worth doing a CLA, my tutorial:

http://www.verybiglobo.com/category/guides-tutorials/

Tomas


PostPosted: Sat Sep 02, 2017 7:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
Welcome to the forum Andy.
Congratulations for the nice lens!


PostPosted: Sat Sep 02, 2017 12:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
tomasg wrote:
Nice lens worth doing a CLA, my tutorial:

http://www.verybiglobo.com/category/guides-tutorials/

Tomas

These are different lenses, the aperture operates differently, like CZJ silver preset, I've not seen a how too guide for an f22 version Helios 44, and I don't want to mess with my 0000 serial to find out.


PostPosted: Sat Sep 02, 2017 1:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Untill step 6, it will be the same.
This lens has a big spring under the diaph ring in order to allow the push system to work (this system is the same on very early KMZ Jupiter-11 SLR).

About the date, production started in 1958 (at least, for Start, maybe 1959 for M39). As far as I know, this aperture system was abandonned in 1960 on Jupiter-11, as it was said, we can safely say that it was produced in 1959 (or 1958).


PostPosted: Sat Sep 02, 2017 4:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Lightshow wrote:
tomasg wrote:
Nice lens worth doing a CLA, my tutorial:

http://www.verybiglobo.com/category/guides-tutorials/

Tomas

These are different lenses, the aperture operates differently, like CZJ silver preset, I've not seen a how too guide for an f22 version Helios 44, and I don't want to mess with my 0000 serial to find out.


I didn`t know that they are so different. So this one operates like a CZJ Biotar for example, by pushing in the aperture ring turning it to the desired aperture, releasing it and then turning it again to open the aperture to allow a brighter viewfinder? Does it also has a pin at the mount? Or is it something "inbetween"

I CLA-ed some that operate this way, not overly complicated for someone with some experience, but NOT for a biginner as the OP probably is.

Ah just found some pics of a Tessar that functions this way that i CLA-ed:
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 02, 2017 5:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
I don't think the Helios-44 f22 is like this Tessar.
Here is the optical block on the early Jupiter-11 KMZ (1958) I talked about :



I cannot say 100% as I also don't really want to disassemble my 000 Helios-44 too, but it should be like this.


PostPosted: Sat Sep 02, 2017 6:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Aha i see Pierre, that s something very different from the Tessar. I have another Biotar, that might be closer to the Helios i will separate the two main blocks tomorrow and post a pic.

Tomas


PostPosted: Sun Sep 03, 2017 8:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
Here's a quick jpeg shot with a Sony A7 from a few days ago.

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