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takkub21
Joined: 20 Oct 2017 Posts: 12 Location: Thailand
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Posted: Mon Mar 05, 2018 2:00 pm Post subject: How it different about Jupiter8 Red n and without Red n. |
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takkub21 wrote:
Hi I have a chance to test all lens in one day only.I take picture in same codition on tripod.
OMD EM1 - F2
OMD EM1 - F4
OMD EM1 - F2
OMD EM1 - F4
GX7 - F2
GX7 - F4
Sony A7 - F2
Sony A7 - F4
But I think not enough to compare about two lens.
Please help me. I need more information about red n and no red n. How it different in your opinion.
Thank you. _________________ I'm The Storyteller. |
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Sjak
Joined: 29 Sep 2017 Posts: 696
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Posted: Mon Mar 05, 2018 2:28 pm Post subject: |
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Sjak wrote:
Based on the serial numbres, your J8s are from two different generations. This video explores the differences between the various era's of this lens:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=582ngTtkr94 |
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alex ph
Joined: 16 Mar 2013 Posts: 1571
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Posted: Mon Mar 05, 2018 2:29 pm Post subject: |
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alex ph wrote:
In my experience, the image from both is really similar. The red "P" means just a type of coating while the optical formula remains the same. The variations might be more visible from one copy to another. After some date the "P" is no more indicated on the front ring because all the Jupiters are single coated.
What you may have in a clear difference is the aperture type. Your red "P" lens comes from the 1957, the aperture ring has a continuos march and no clicks while the aperture blades form something closer to a circle when closed down. Is it the same for the other one which comes from the 1968, without the red "P"? Later J-8 have full-stop and clicked aperture ring, while the aperture blades form a kind of rounded "star" when stopped down. |
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newst
Joined: 21 Oct 2014 Posts: 617 Location: Troy, MI USA
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Posted: Tue Mar 06, 2018 5:30 pm Post subject: |
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newst wrote:
It's really a Cyrillic 'P', not an 'N', but who's keeping score. When the Soviets grabbed the Zeiss lenses, parts, machinery, data and workers after WWII the J-8 (and J-3, J-9 J-11 and all the others) were marked with the red 'P' to show that they were multi-coated. Most lenses in the post war period were single coated so those with a multi-coating were marked accordingly.
Eventually, I believe in the late 1960s but don't quote me on that, all the lenses were being produced with multi-coatings and the red 'P' was superfluous. It was just dropped, but the lenses produced at that time would have been identical to the red "P" lenses produced the year before. In time, as better coatings were produced, there would be a difference between the newer and older lenses. _________________ Steve
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BurstMox
Joined: 04 Dec 2011 Posts: 1998 Location: France
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Posted: Tue Mar 06, 2018 5:51 pm Post subject: |
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BurstMox wrote:
The red P does not mean multicoated, but coated (single). It was to make differences with pre-war non-coated lenses. They stopped it in early 60's. Date looks to differ regarding to lenses and factory. I know for sure that they stopped the P on helios-40 during 1961 year.
They started the use of multicoating in late 70's -80's (with Helios 44m, Jupiter 37, etc...). Thoses lenses are marked MC (on some Jupiter-9 and Helios-77, you can find it wrongly written "MS". _________________ Pierre
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newst
Joined: 21 Oct 2014 Posts: 617 Location: Troy, MI USA
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Posted: Tue Mar 06, 2018 10:05 pm Post subject: |
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newst wrote:
BurstMox wrote: |
The red P does not mean multicoated, but coated (single). It was to make differences with pre-war non-coated lenses. They stopped it in early 60's. Date looks to differ regarding to lenses and factory. I know for sure that they stopped the P on helios-40 during 1961 year.
They started the use of multicoating in late 70's -80's (with Helios 44m, Jupiter 37, etc...). Thoses lenses are marked MC (on some Jupiter-9 and Helios-77, you can find it wrongly written "MS". |
Thank you, I appreciate the correction. _________________ Steve
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takkub21
Joined: 20 Oct 2017 Posts: 12 Location: Thailand
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Posted: Sun Mar 18, 2018 6:52 am Post subject: |
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takkub21 wrote:
Thank you every comment. _________________ I'm The Storyteller. |
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