| View previous topic :: View next topic |
| Author |
Message |
V_anaconda
Joined: 16 Jan 2021
Posts: 5
|
 Posted: Sat Jan 16, 2021 6:21 pm Post subject: Helios 44m-7 MC KMZ. Is this fake? |
 |
|
V_anaconda wrote:
I want to buy a Helios 44m-7 with MC. I searched online and found some saying that KMZ version comes with 8-blade and A/M swtich.
I found this seller on ebay. It had a lot of buyer and postive feedback. The seller is also highly rated. But still, I'm wondering if it's fake? If it is, how do you tell?
Thanks in advance!
https://www.ebay.ca/itm/322383288243
Last edited by V_anaconda on Sat Jan 16, 2021 6:37 pm; edited 1 time in total |
|
| Back to top |
|
 |
blotafton
Joined: 08 Aug 2013
Posts: 1554
Location: Sweden
|
| Posted: Sat Jan 16, 2021 6:34 pm Post subject: |
|
|
blotafton wrote:
Hello!
As far as I know it should have 6 aperture blades and no A/M switch. It would help if we could see the serial number. But it might be intentional that we can't if these are all the pictures.
Also, shouldn't the letters on the lens be written in Cyrillic if that is the original box? |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
V_anaconda
Joined: 16 Jan 2021
Posts: 5
|
| Posted: Sat Jan 16, 2021 6:39 pm Post subject: |
|
|
V_anaconda wrote:
| blotafton wrote: |
Hello!
As far as I know it should have 6 aperture blades and no A/M switch. It would help if we could see the serial number. But it might be intentional that we can't if these are all the pictures.
Also, shouldn't the letters on the lens be written in Cyrillic if that is the original box? |
Hello! Thanks for the reply. These are all the pic listed. I tried send a message to the seller asking for a pic of the serial number. Still waiting for the reply |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
dnf_spedition
Joined: 18 Apr 2009
Posts: 64
Location: The Netherlands
|
| Posted: Sat Jan 16, 2021 7:08 pm Post subject: |
|
|
dnf_spedition wrote:
It is a fake. This 58 mm lens is a Helios 44M 2/58. See this link: https://soperfectimages.co.uk/lenses/35m/m42/helios-44m-2-58-2928/ Someone might have changed the front plate. Sorry for this news.
Last edited by dnf_spedition on Sat Jan 16, 2021 7:16 pm; edited 1 time in total |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
littleearth
Joined: 21 Dec 2011
Posts: 77
Location: PT
|
| Posted: Sat Jan 16, 2021 7:13 pm Post subject: |
|
|
littleearth wrote:
It's a fake, like most sold on ebay looking new and sold with a box. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
KEO
Joined: 27 Sep 2018
Posts: 761
Location: USA
|
| Posted: Sat Jan 16, 2021 8:09 pm Post subject: |
|
|
KEO wrote:
Retro Foto House on YouTube made a video recently about how to avoid fake Helios-44M-7s:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xXRgjGlAfko |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
V_anaconda
Joined: 16 Jan 2021
Posts: 5
|
| Posted: Sat Jan 16, 2021 8:33 pm Post subject: |
|
|
V_anaconda wrote:
Thanks everyone for the reply.
I found another one. This one look like a real one?
 |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
blotafton
Joined: 08 Aug 2013
Posts: 1554
Location: Sweden
|
| Posted: Sat Jan 16, 2021 10:02 pm Post subject: |
|
|
blotafton wrote:
| V_anaconda wrote: |
Thanks everyone for the reply.
I found another one. This one look like a real one?] |
Nothing looks wrong with this picture, but it's not enough. More photos needed. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
littleearth
Joined: 21 Dec 2011
Posts: 77
Location: PT
|
| Posted: Sat Jan 16, 2021 10:09 pm Post subject: |
|
|
littleearth wrote:
If the serial starts with a 93, 94 or 95 it is genuine.
Buy from a private seller or one attached to a Zenit 122.
Too many fakes on ebay. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
V_anaconda
Joined: 16 Jan 2021
Posts: 5
|
| Posted: Sat Jan 16, 2021 10:55 pm Post subject: |
|
|
V_anaconda wrote:
| blotafton wrote: |
| V_anaconda wrote: |
Thanks everyone for the reply.
I found another one. This one look like a real one?] |
Nothing looks wrong with this picture, but it's not enough. More photos needed. |
 |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
calvin83
Joined: 12 Apr 2009
Posts: 7554
Location: Hong Kong
|
| Posted: Sun Jan 17, 2021 3:16 am Post subject: |
|
|
calvin83 wrote:
| V_anaconda wrote: |
| blotafton wrote: |
| V_anaconda wrote: |
Thanks everyone for the reply.
I found another one. This one look like a real one?] |
Nothing looks wrong with this picture, but it's not enough. More photos needed. |
|
I had a copy looked exactly the same.
_________________
https://lensfever.com/
https://www.instagram.com/_lens_fever/
The best lens is the one you have with you. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
V_anaconda
Joined: 16 Jan 2021
Posts: 5
|
| Posted: Sun Jan 17, 2021 4:43 am Post subject: |
|
|
V_anaconda wrote:
| calvin83 wrote: |
| V_anaconda wrote: |
| blotafton wrote: |
| V_anaconda wrote: |
Thanks everyone for the reply.
I found another one. This one look like a real one?] |
Nothing looks wrong with this picture, but it's not enough. More photos needed. |
|
I had a copy looked exactly the same. |
awesome. thx |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
blotafton
Joined: 08 Aug 2013
Posts: 1554
Location: Sweden
|
| Posted: Sun Jan 17, 2021 1:45 pm Post subject: |
|
|
blotafton wrote:
Looks like a real one. High serial number and no A/M switch. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
Indigo82
Joined: 30 Dec 2018
Posts: 61
|
| Posted: Mon Jan 18, 2021 8:39 am Post subject: |
|
|
Indigo82 wrote:
It's hard to say actually. Take a look at the fonts on the front ring. According to the instruction in this YouTube video, fonts look really OK and genuine on your sample. Especially, see the number 1. It's should be very slim on the original where on the fake versions it's not. There is also more space between two dots and 2 than between two dots and 1 on the genuine version too, in other words number 1 should have two dots very close to it.
https://youtu.be/xXRgjGlAfko
The only issue I have is that two holes are missing in the front ring which I can see in the photos of genuine 44m-7. Is this normal for original or not?
Probably those who are faking these lenses are watching these videos and advancing their methods to make fake copies so nothing is guaranteed unfortunately. Good luck. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
tomasg
Joined: 01 Nov 2009
Posts: 1135
Expire: 2014-04-28
|
| Posted: Mon Jan 18, 2021 11:34 am Post subject: |
|
|
tomasg wrote:
For what it s worth, there seem to be a version with an A/M switch look under the KMZ made ones, COSMOGON camera lens.....so many versions...look at the one above, Moonlight products?
https://radojuva.com/en/2015/04/gelios-44-helios/ |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
calvin83
Joined: 12 Apr 2009
Posts: 7554
Location: Hong Kong
|
| Posted: Mon Jan 18, 2021 11:38 am Post subject: |
|
|
calvin83 wrote:
I have seen Helios 44m-7 MC attached to a Zenit-122 camera without two holes in the front ring Click here to see on Ebay , not sure it is genuine or not as I am not an export on Helios.
_________________
https://lensfever.com/
https://www.instagram.com/_lens_fever/
The best lens is the one you have with you. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
D1N0
Joined: 07 Aug 2012
Posts: 2495
|
| Posted: Mon Jan 18, 2021 3:30 pm Post subject: |
|
|
D1N0 wrote:
The name ring looks genuine (not cheaply printed). The serial number is hopeful (94). I would chance it. But: "Blades are always open and cant be closed."
_________________
pentaxian |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
Phalbert
Joined: 17 May 2009
Posts: 359
Location: Namibia
|
| Posted: Mon Jan 18, 2021 6:30 pm Post subject: |
|
|
Phalbert wrote:
I ' ve read this thread with interest. Can someone please explain what are these fake lenses ? What are they ? Who makes them and for which purpose ? I don'understand how and why someone would fake cheap lenses. Thank you.
_________________
🙋 My wishlist: Titan or Idaho 135/1,8 Nikon Df Nikkor 105/1,8 35/1,4 85/1,4
My dream lenses: Zuiko 180/2 Prototype Zuiko 85/1,4
Zeiss CY: 55/1,2 85/1,2
Astro Berlin 250/2 Canon EF 50/1,0 85/1,2
Nikkor 105/1,4 28/1,4
My stolen stuff: Zuiko 24/2 #106874; Zuiko 35-80/2,8 #102180; Zuiko 35/2 #119168; Zuiko 90/2 macro #102858; Zuiko x1,4 converter #102019; Tamron 17/3,5 #400567; Tamron 400/4 #80407; Soligor 135/2 #17506600 Sigma 28/1,8 #1001124 |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
Indigo82
Joined: 30 Dec 2018
Posts: 61
|
| Posted: Mon Jan 18, 2021 7:38 pm Post subject: |
|
|
Indigo82 wrote:
Well, Helios lenses are some of the most produced lenses in the history, i.e. millions of them were made. Probably the most produced according to many. That is why they are cheap in their motherland Russia and ex-Soviet countries. So, let's say I get lens 44m-4 for 1$ in Russia, change the name plate to 44m-7 which has reputation that is the latest and best Helios lens and therefore highly sought item by photographers, and offer this lens for 100$ on Ebay, my profit is increased 100 times or if you want in percentage 9900% (nine thousand nine hundred percent). Can you name me any business where I can have profit of 9900% ? Yes, you have to think, of course. I have 44-2 and 44m-4 and they are great, amazing lenses, with great features and lot of character and I love them both. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
Phalbert
Joined: 17 May 2009
Posts: 359
Location: Namibia
|
| Posted: Mon Jan 18, 2021 7:57 pm Post subject: |
|
|
Phalbert wrote:
Hi Indigo. Thanks a lot for your explaination. Yes it makes sense, but $ 1 for a lens ? Well, even if it's $ 10... Is that latest - 7 version really worth the upgrade ? I have the 44 - 4 ... Thanks again.
_________________
🙋 My wishlist: Titan or Idaho 135/1,8 Nikon Df Nikkor 105/1,8 35/1,4 85/1,4
My dream lenses: Zuiko 180/2 Prototype Zuiko 85/1,4
Zeiss CY: 55/1,2 85/1,2
Astro Berlin 250/2 Canon EF 50/1,0 85/1,2
Nikkor 105/1,4 28/1,4
My stolen stuff: Zuiko 24/2 #106874; Zuiko 35-80/2,8 #102180; Zuiko 35/2 #119168; Zuiko 90/2 macro #102858; Zuiko x1,4 converter #102019; Tamron 17/3,5 #400567; Tamron 400/4 #80407; Soligor 135/2 #17506600 Sigma 28/1,8 #1001124 |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
Indigo82
Joined: 30 Dec 2018
Posts: 61
|
| Posted: Mon Jan 18, 2021 8:27 pm Post subject: |
|
|
Indigo82 wrote:
I don't have 44m-7. Maybe someone who has it will be able to reply to you.
My 44-2 (very swirly) and 44m-4 are very nice and I am happy. I don't need 44m-7. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
flaviomaia
Joined: 15 Jan 2013
Posts: 120
Location: Portugal
|
| Posted: Mon Jan 18, 2021 9:17 pm Post subject: |
|
|
flaviomaia wrote:
I have one, I think... Is it a real one? It was made in 1993 judging by the serial number.
Actually I never searched for it. It was part of a lens bundle and I kept it because it was a good performer, with a more neutral colors compared to older versions.
In the past I had a few helios 44M-4's and one Helios 44M-6 and I found that they are quite prone to flare. This one is OK, but the older 44's and 44-2's fare a bit better in this regard because of the recessed front element (I think).
_________________
Flávio Maia
Digital: Nikon D300, D80, Sony Nex-5N, A7II
Film: Mamiya 645, Nikon F, FM, FE, EM, Nikkormat FTN, Pentax Soptmatic SPII, Zorki-S, Kiev 4...
Lenses: a few nikkors, a few soviets and a couple of mamiyas |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
kymarto
Joined: 30 Nov 2016
Posts: 406
Location: Portland, OR and Milan, Italy
|
| Posted: Tue Jan 19, 2021 5:06 am Post subject: |
|
|
kymarto wrote:
Question: Why would anyone go to the trouble to fake a cheap lens like the Helios?
_________________
Vintage lens aficionado |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
vivaldibow
Joined: 23 Jun 2018
Posts: 837
Expire: 2021-03-09
|
| Posted: Tue Jan 19, 2021 5:16 am Post subject: |
|
|
vivaldibow wrote:
| kymarto wrote: |
| Question: Why would anyone go to the trouble to fake a cheap lens like the Helios? |
I also have another question. How do those fake lenese behave? Are they a working lens afterall? |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
sergtum
Joined: 14 Nov 2016
Posts: 735
|
| Posted: Tue Jan 19, 2021 5:55 am Post subject: |
|
|
sergtum wrote:
| kymarto wrote: |
| Question: Why would anyone go to the trouble to fake a cheap lens like the Helios? |
maybe because they fake cheap Helios from the cheapest Helios... maybe because they fake a rarer Helios from a less rare Helios... maybe because there's nothing to do... maybe... |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
|
|
|
You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot vote in polls in this forum
|
Search
Memberlist
Register
Profile
Log in to check your private messages
Log in
