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Eric999
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 Posted: Sun Dec 21, 2008 6:32 pm Post subject: Canon mp-e equivalent with MF lenses ? |
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Eric999 wrote:
Hello,
I would like to know what would be the easiest combination to obtain an 5 time magnification and this with a good picture quality ! Should also be easy to transport when shooying on the field !
I have a 40d, 100 mm macro from canon, 50 mm f1,8 from, and two m42 lenses one 28 mm 2,8 and one 50 mm 1,8. Of course the possibilities aren't limited to this list ! Simply the mp-e is way to expensive for me ! |
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Attila
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Attila wrote:
A reversible mounted 50mm lens can be provide incredible quality and magnify both.
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Eric999
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Eric999 wrote:
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| A reversible mounted 50mm lens can be provide incredible quality and magnify both. |
Simply mounted on the body or on an other lens ?
Is the working distance more important than just a few mm ? |
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Attila
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Attila wrote:
On other lens I never tried personally, seek Google I hope you will find a suitable description.
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Gurdie
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Gurdie wrote:
You could try a reverse ring, I don´t know the name of the Canon version.
I just today ordered one for Nikon.
If the lens is reversed, the wideangles give you more magnification.
Here´s the link to some wonderful photos taken with reversed 24 and 28 mm lenses:
http://blog.mdsign.nl/
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dr.volkan
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dr.volkan wrote:
this is shot with samsung gx 1s+kenko macro TC+50-200mm schneider lens+55 mm 1.4 EXAKTAR lens(reverse)
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sichko
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sichko wrote:
One lens reversed onto another - for examples...
http://www.srb-griturn.com/close-up-photography-307-c.asp
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Attila
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Attila wrote:
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this is shot with samsung gx 1s+kenko macro TC+50-200mm schneider lens+55 mm 1.4 EXAKTAR lens(reverse) |
 Amazing! Congrats!!
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dr.volkan
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dr.volkan wrote:
this is shot by samsung gx 1s+35mm 2.8(jupiter 12-m39)the rear part of the lens taken out. |
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Gurdie
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Gurdie wrote:
Incredible! A mean-lookong fellow with eight eyes...
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Attila wrote:
No words! Superb!
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dr.volkan
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dr.volkan wrote:
this is shot by samsung gx 1s and middle ex tube(there are 3 for m42)
İ do not belive these famous brands and new AF lenses..
You can only shot dead animals such a lens MPe 65
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sichko
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sichko wrote:
Completely wonderful pictures.
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dr.volkan
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dr.volkan wrote:
Friends do not waste your money
Buy old manual focus lenses. i can help you with macro technics that i learned from you....
schneider 50-200
exaktar 50 1.4
samsung gx 1s
flaş
neat image
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Attila wrote:
Please keep posting I am so so amazed!!
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patrickh wrote:
dr volkan - you are totally amazing
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dr.volkan
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dr.volkan wrote:
this is shot by samsung gx 1s ex tube and industar (50mm 3.5) |
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mUg
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mUg wrote:
 wow
Totally amazing pics
i love the last one, it seems some kind of creature came from a fantasy world |
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kansalliskala wrote:
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this is shot with samsung gx 1s+kenko macro TC+50-200mm schneider lens+55 mm 1.4 EXAKTAR lens(reverse) |
How do you focus? I mean which lens or just swing back and forth until picture seems focused (that is what I do  )
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kds315* wrote:
Indeed amazing results!!
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Volkan,
I've tried two Rollei planar 50/1.8 reverse mounted with my 5D but the image circle was quite visible as a circle, I mean it couldn't form a full image circle with this method. The filter size was 49mm, I think there is somethings to be carefull about this method. Normal mounted was wide open @f.1.8 and focuseed to the min focusing distance, reverse mounted lens was adjusted for aperture and focus.
Can you give the insights of your lens combinations?
And focusing style when using 2 lenses.
And which city are you from? I'm assuming that this is a Turkish name and you didn't write the 'flaş' accidentaly 
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peterqd wrote:
| dr.volkan wrote: |
Friends do not waste your money
Buy old manual focus lenses. i can help you with macro technics that i learned from you....
schneider 50-200
exaktar 50 1.4
samsung gx 1s
flaş
neat image
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Wonderful pictures, but I'm completely confused about which lens is reversed and how you mount them together. Are the filter rings facing each other, or the lens mounts? Which lens is nearest to the camera? And which lens do you use for aperture and focussing?
Any chance of a pic of the set-up and a note to explain? Thanks
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koji wrote:
Hi Peter,
Mount the longer lens first to your camera, reverse mount/attach to
shorter focal length lens on the top. So simply the magnification is
long-local-length / short-focal-length
in his example it is 200 / 50 = 4 time magnification if the main
lens at the tele-end.
You have to find a female-to-female ring to attach the lenses
each other at their front, this is the most difficult thing.
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kds315* wrote:
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Hi Peter,
Mount the longer lens first to your camera, reverse (mount/attach) to
shorter focal length lens on the top. So simple magnification is
long-local-length / short-focal-length
in his example is 200 / 50 = 4 time magnification if the main
lens at the tele-end.
You have to find a female-to-female ring to attach the lenses
each other at the front, this is the most difficult thing. |
ehemm....it is a male - male ring and they can be found on ebay quite easily,
here Click here to see on Ebay for instance in various sizes / combinations.
"macro coupler rings" they are usually called.
If you tried the female then I know why you find it so difficult... 
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https://www.flickr.com/photos/kds315/albums my albums using various lenses
http://photographyoftheinvisibleworld.blogspot.com/ my UV BLOG
http://www.travelmeetsfood.com/blog Food + Travel BLOG
https://galeriafotografia.com Architecture + Drone photography
Currently most FAV lens(es):
X80QF f3.2/80mm
Hypergon f11/26mm
ELCAN UV f5.6/52mm
Zeiss UV-Planar f4/60mm
Zeiss UV-Planar f2/62mm
Lomo Уфар-12 f2.5/41mm
Lomo Зуфар-2 f4.0/350mm
Lomo ZIKAR-1A f1.2/100mm
Nikon UV Nikkor f4.5/105mm
Zeiss UV-Sonnar f4.3/105mm
CERCO UV-VIS-NIR f1.8/45mm
CERCO UV-VIS-NIR f4.1/94mm
CERCO UV-VIS-NIR f2.8/100mm
Steinheil Quarzobjektiv f1.8/50mm
Pentax Quartz Takumar f3.5/85mm
Carl Zeiss Jena UV-Objektiv f4/60mm
NYE OPTICAL Lyman-Alpha II f1.1/90mm
NYE OPTICAL Lyman-Alpha I f2.8/200mm
COASTAL OPTICS f4/60mm UV-VIS-IR Apo
COASTAL OPTICS f4.5/105mm UV-Micro-Apo
Pentax Ultra-Achromatic Takumar f4.5/85mm
Pentax Ultra-Achromatic Takumar f5.6/300mm
Rodenstock UV-Rodagon f5.6/60mm + 105mm + 150mm
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Eric999
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Eric999 wrote:
Many thanks for the answers and ..... waaaa those beautifull pics !
I just tried to mount a 18/50 zoom at 18 on my 100 mm macro ! The result is disapointing !
Example:
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