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Tesselator wrote:
The search page seems to be MIA here returning only a 405 error so I'll start a new thread. It might not be posted yet anyway as it seems to be fairly rare. When I posted these on other sites with knowledgable user bases no one knew of it and several expressed their surprise at it's existence. <shrug>
I'm on a M4/3 camera so I can't assess corner performance but the centers and bokeh are exceptionally nice with this lens. Wide open it's sharp, little to no CA, great color and contrast (pop - unusual for older canon lenses I think), and the bokeh is smooooth and creamy - just how I like it.
Here's some samples:
@ f/2.0
@ f/1.2 85% crop
@ f/2.0
@ f/1.2
@ ~f/1.8
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@ f/2.0
@ f/I forget. 
@ f/1.2
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wow!
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Outstanding pictures ! YES WOW!
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tikkathree wrote:
Superb. Your lens is a cracker!
I have an FL 55mm f/1.2 which I've recently had converted to EOS mount and the more I play with it, the more I like it.  
And the more I use it with live view to get my focus spot on, the closer I get to thinking that I might dare to let go of my EF 50mm f/1.4 AF lens.
I say might because for candid portraiture/street photography, AF is a pretty convincing comfort blanket!
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Lovely photos.
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Tesselator
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Tesselator wrote:
Thanks for the nice comments people! It's appreciated!
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Superb. Your lens is a cracker!
I have an FL 55mm f/1.2 which I've recently had converted to EOS mount and the more I play with it, the more I like it.
And the more I use it with live view to get my focus spot on, the closer I get to thinking that I might dare to let go of my EF 50mm f/1.4 AF lens.
I say might because for candid portraiture/street photography, AF is a pretty convincing comfort blanket! |
Yep, the 55/1.2 is another good one although the 58/1.2 seems to be a very different renderer. From what I can tell the 58/1.2 has nearly identical characteristics to the Rokkor 58/1.2 : Soft & creamy yet sharp enough to impress wide open and Sharp enough to cut yourself with yet with a very likable bokeh when stopped down at all.
For AF I wouldn't know. For the past 12 or 13 months I'v not owned even one lens that could AF on my GH1. I could see wanting AF for important sports events, or catching criminals in the act, or even sneaking the camera into an art show of someone like Dali... but besides that I'd miss the challenge too much - even for candid street shots. Of course I'm using a camera that is full-time live-view too. So focusing in EVF or 15x magnified EVF is just /right there/. If my camera were OVF I'd probably feel very different.
Hey that's an idea... Why don't you get a GH1? They're only like $280 to $300 (new in box - body only) - that way you wouldn't have to murder err, I mean convert, the lens either!
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That's a lot sharper than my 55/1.2 Nikkor, but maybe it's the added depth of field, as you're further away from your subjects.
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revers wrote:
Damn you, now I want yet another lens.
Super nice photos.
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I hate you people!
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Hey that's an idea... Why don't you get a GH1? They're only like $280 to $300 (new in box - body only) - that way you wouldn't have to murder err, I mean convert, the lens either!
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Hey, just you stop that!
No! PAck it in!
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jun wrote:
canon fl 58mm f1.2 @1.2 on Sony NEX
@f2[/img]
quite difficult to really focus even at f2
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quite difficult to really focus even at f2 |
Maybe there is considerable sample variation with this lens. Who knows?
Difficulty focusing is normally due to softness so the image doesn't have a distinct sharp point where it's easy to tell that it is or isn't in focus. I've had the same problem with other fast lenses, which are a bit soft wide open. As soon as they are stopped down to F2 their sharpness improves quite a lot so focusing becomes much easier.
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IAZA wrote:
damn good, I tested this lens, but not that sharp. No PP?
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Wow, the 1.2 samples looks almost unbelievable to me 
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Oh I wish I could capture roses like that lens.. 
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rbelyell wrote:
great color and detail on that red rose, light must,ve been perfect, no bleeding at all. these are some of the best nex photos i've seen as they have depth and very good highlight handling.
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Tesselator wrote:
Thanks for all the great comments guys! It's really appreciated!
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| great color and detail on that red rose, light must,ve been perfect, no bleeding at all. these are some of the best nex photos i've seen as they have depth and very good highlight handling. |
Mine were shot on the Panasonic GH1. I can't have a camera that doesn't come with a superb EVF. I'm old and can not see those dang LCDs without a loupe or something. Plus I'm a cheap biotch and will likely never pay more then $500 for a camera body. The GH1 14 months ago cost $375 new body only - here in Japan. Today it goes for $290.
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| Oh I wish I could capture roses like that lens.. |
You have the Mamiya 85/1.8 so you can!
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| damn good, I tested this lens, but not that sharp. No PP? |
There was some PP. I forget what I did to the pigeons... For the others I scaled them and then added a USM of 0.4 pixels at 50%. When I brought the files into ACR it's default sharpening was also added as well. I think it's default is 1.0 pixels at 25%. Neither one one of these are enough to alter anything much at all. My scaling I use "Best For Smooth Gradients" so the sharpening I add is actually less than if I sharpened using the "Best For Reduction" - which (I think) sharpens at a percentage of width and by a hefty amount. Again, I forget what I did to the pigeons tho.
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quite difficult to really focus even at f2 |
Maybe there is considerable sample variation with this lens. Who knows?
Difficulty focusing is normally due to softness so the image doesn't have a distinct sharp point where it's easy to tell that it is or isn't in focus. I've had the same problem with Leica R 35/1.4 and 80/1.4 lenses, amongst many other fast lenses, which are a bit soft wide open. As soon as they are stopped down to F2 their sharpness improves quite a lot so focusing becomes much easier.
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I don't think it's sample variation. I just think it's someone without a loupe trying to focus that lens at it's MFD on an LCD.  Remember the GH1 has a very good EVF and even at that I almost always release the shutter while viewing the subject in 15x MF assist. It varies with the subject somewhat but I frame (compose), zoom in (15x MF assist), focus, and then press the shutter. In that order. I even do that with slower BIFs.
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Hey that's an idea... Why don't you get a GH1? They're only like $280 to $300 (new in box - body only) - that way you wouldn't have to murder err, I mean convert, the lens either!
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Hehe, never! I will defend my island whatever the costs may be.
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rbelyell wrote:
using the panny--that explains the depth and highlight handling!
didnt notice you were in japan--hope all is well with you and your family in wake of recent problems.
also, was wondering how the price of the new fuji medium format gf 670 fold out cam compares to here in u.s. where it sells for about $1600 usd...ive read its much less expensive there.
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| using the panny--that explains the depth and highlight handling! |
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| didnt notice you were in japan--hope all is well with you and your family in wake of recent problems. |
Thanks, so far so good... Time will tell. Chernobyl took some years to kill the approximately one million it took. While Fukushima is quantitatively now approximately 8 times worse not many will meet the reaper for awhile yet. I hope as everyone that myself and my kids are not among those affected.
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| also, was wondering how the price of the new fuji medium format gf 670 fold out cam compares to here in u.s. where it sells for about $1600 usd...ive read its much less expensive there. |
They best way to find out is to get on Yahoo auctions and type the model number. If nothing but used ones comes up then it's the same or more here than there. If new (in box) ones appear in the search results just use an exchange rate site to compare. |
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I have the FL 55/1.2, which I've grown quite fond of, and I've wondered about the 58/1.2. My thinking has been that the 55/1.2 must have been an improvement, else why would Canon have discontinued the 58 in favor for the 55. Well, lemme tell ya, after seeing these images I can throw that bit of reasoning out the window. These images are superb!
About a week ago, I bid on an outfit -- the camera was an FT and it came with a couple of FL lenses, including the 58 -- and I got outbid, dang it! Now I really regret being outbid!
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The FL 58mm f/1.2 is radioactive so maybe part of the quality is enabled by thorium glass. The non-radioactive FL 55mm f/1.2 may have been substituted with design improvements that removed the need for thorium… |
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I wish I did...
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Some shots (wide-open @f1.2) taken with a nex-5, must say not as sharp as the ones in the 1st post, much softer but I think it's still useable wide-open, what would you say?
Canon FL 58/1.2:
Canon FL 58/1.2:
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WOW, I am stunned. Your copy seems to be outstanding!!
Mine is no where near as sharp as yours. Mind you your shots are stopped down.
http://forum.mflenses.com/canon-fl-58mm-f1-2-and-panny-g1-t35277,highlight,%2Bfl+%2B58mm+%2Bf1+%2B2.html |
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Thank You. To be totally sincere, I thought I got a lemon, since I was stunned by the clarity of the photos in the first posts of this topic.
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the photos are wide open@f1.2
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