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Alex H
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 Posted: Fri Feb 03, 2012 9:41 pm Post subject: What lenses with star-shaped aperture do You know |
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Alex H wrote:
After accidentally stumbling upon Zenitar ME1 with square aperture, I got curious about other manual-focus lenses that have unusual shape of aperture when partly stopped down, more specifically - star-shaped or polygonal.
These are the ones I know:
Industar 61L/Z 50/2.8 - hexagram
Volna-9 50/2.8 - hexagram
Super Multi Coated Bellows Takimar 100/4 - octagram
What are the other lenses You know about with star-shaped aperture (when partly stopped down)?
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themoleman342 wrote:
The Mir 10A 3.5/28mm:
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WolverineX wrote:
macro takumar 50mm/4 (preset version that goes to 1:1 magnification) has octagonal star shaped bokeh stopped down from 5.6 to 8
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Ymmot
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Ymmot wrote:
Industar 61 L/Z:
http://tomtiger.home.xs4all.nl/russcam/volnaindus.html
Macro-Takumar 50mm 1:4 (Preset) (Wolverine beat me to it  ):
http://www.pentaxforums.com/forums/pentax-slr-lens-discussion/52686-macro-takumar-50mm-f4-native-1-1-magnification.html
Edit: scratch that, You already got the first.
That mir looks almost like a ninja trowing star  |
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hoanpham wrote:
pentax K28/3.5 shift at f8
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Andrew G. wrote:
Almost all of Vivitar's Tokina-made T4 lenses have eight blades and most exhibit octograms (some TX lenses are also like this). My Vivitar 35mm f/2.8 T4 with its 8 short blades displays an octogram until completely stopped down to f/16.
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fuzzywuzzy wrote:
The 100/4 bellows Takumar has star shaped aperture, between approximately /f11 and f/5.6.
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ManualFocus-G wrote:
Lots of the old Kino made Soligor lenses have star formations too, usually the longer lenses.
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woodrim wrote:
How about Komura - this one the 105/2.5.
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Nesster wrote:
A vivitar TX 28 had this:
vivitar tx iris 2 by Nesster, on Flickr
but it stopped focusing; I think someone had taken it apart and put back together not quite right, as my second copy doesn't show that star pattern. BAH, I liked it.
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Alex H
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Alex H wrote:
So that is how the ninja star aperture looks like. I do have one of those in Hanimex Wide-auto 35/2.8 lens.
The Komura lens looks very interesting, Woodrim!
Thank You all
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exaklaus wrote:
Distagon 2,8/35 pre-MM at f4
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Andrew G. wrote:
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A vivitar TX 28 had this:
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Yeah.. the TX lenses are kind of funny. I have an identical 28mm f/2.5 which has a normal (in fact, somewhat rounded) diaphragm.
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RioRico wrote:
My dense Schneider Betavaron 3,5...11/0.08 (50-125/4) enlarger zoom has aperture settings marked 1-2-3-4-5. At A1 it's circular; at A2 it's pentagonal; at A3,A4,A5 it's a nice 5-point star, visible in the bokeh. At A4,A5 (about f/11-22 depending on focal length) there isn't much bokeh, but the specular highlights are quite starry.
I also have a cheap toy camera, a Diana-clone Akira TC-002 with a 50/5.6 New Optical Lens that I'll adapt to Pentax (when I can find it in my junk pile), which IIRC has a dirt-simple iris, just a blade that partially blocks the light path, giving a distorted triangular aperture. Funky monkey indeed.
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ManualFocus-G wrote:
Soligor 400/6.3 (Kino):
Kino 350/5.6
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kds315* wrote:
Does that get visible in the bokeh these lenses produce?
May I ask you Alex, why you are asking that?
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Alex H wrote:
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Does that get visible in the bokeh these lenses produce?
May I ask you Alex, why you are asking that? |
I have the same question as You, Klaus, hence want to find some lenses to try it out. |
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| Posted: Sun Feb 05, 2012 11:17 pm Post subject: Canon FL 35 2.5 |
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glasslover wrote:
Hi!
The Canon FL 35 2.5 has a hexagonal aperture. Not star-shaped, but kind of pretty anyway. I'll find an odd-shaped one to show. Here's the Canon:
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AhamB wrote:
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| Does that get visible in the bokeh these lenses produce? |
When there are bright OOF highlights, of course. You'll get star-shaped blur discs, just like you get hexagons/octagons/etc. with most regular manual lenses. When there are no strong highlights in the bokeh, the aperture shape will make very little difference.
Example: http://1x.com/photo/25085/portfolio/21784 |
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luisalegria wrote:
http://forum.mflenses.com/kyoei-acall-180-3-5-m42-a-rare-lens-t14579.html
This one has a star-shaped aperture - or at least its a round aperture with "points"
The shape does show in out of focus highlights sometimes - one of the sample shots has a perfect case.
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Nesster wrote:
with the vivitar I showed above, I wanted to catch the flare shape from the aperture
spid tx 1435 by Nesster, on Flickr
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Alex H wrote:
This is an excellent example, Nesster, thanks! |
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walter g wrote:
A quick snap from my P/S cam. Sorry about the quality.
CCTV 25mm f1.4,set at f2.8.
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visualopsins wrote:
Three of the Asahi Pentax lenses have this star-shaped diaphragm from ~f/5.6-11 -- the first M42 version of the Macro-Takumar and the two M42 Bellows-Takumars.
Versions with the star-shape diaphragm:
Macro-Takumar 1:4 50mm 1:1 (M42)
Bellows-Takumar 1:4 100mm (M42)
S-M-C Bellows-Takumar 1:4 100mm (M42)
These versions DO NOT have the star-shaped diaphragm:
S-M-C Macro-Takumar 1:4 50mm 1:2 (M42)
S-M-C Macro-Takumar 1:4 100mm (M42)
SMC Bellows-Takumar (K)
(ref: my lens collection  )
f/8
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nixland wrote:
As I recall, the Contax Zeiss 85/1.2 anniversary edition also has ninja star aperture. Please confirm
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