Black Helios 44 M42

MF-addicted · Posted: Mon Jun 08, 2009 10:52 am Post subject: Black Helios 44 M42

I just looked at the Helios thread.
I think it is worth a new topic.
Here is my Helios 44 M42 mount with 8 blades.

Looks like my black Biotar 2/5,8cm
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EOS 400D --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Carl Zeiss Jena:Flektogon 2.4/35, Pancolar 2/50, Pancolar 1.8/80mm, black Biotar 2/5,8cm 17bl., Sonnar 3,5/135, Sonnar 2,8/180
Carl Zeiss: Distagon 4/18T*, Distagon 1,4/35 HFT, Planar 1,4/50 T*, Vario-Sonnar 3,3-4/28-85 T*, Vario-Sonnar 100-300 T*
Leitz: Elmarit-R Wetzlar 2.8/28, Elmarit-R Wetzlar 2,8/90 I
Schneider: Xenar 2.8/50
Russian: Zenitar 16,Industar 50-2, Industar 61,Helios-40-2 1.5/85mm,Helios-44-1 2/58mm,Helios-44-2 2/58mm, MC 3M-5CA 8/500,MC Rubinar 10/1000 Macro
Meyer: Pentacon 3,5/30, Trioplan 2,9/50, Trioplan 3,5/75, Trioplan 2,8/100, Orestor 2,8/135mm, Orestegon 4/200
ISCO: Westron 2,8/35, Westron 3,5/35, Tele-Westanar 3,5/135, Tele-Westanar 4/180
Yashica: ML 21,ML 24,ML 28, ML 35, ML 100/3.5 Macro,
Nikon: Nikkor AI 2,0/24, Nikkor-P (Planar) 2,5/105
Steinheil Cassar 3,5-4,5/75 VL, Quinar 3,5/85, Culminar 4,5/105, Culminar 4,5/135, Auto-D Tele Quinar 2,8/135
Others: Officine Galileo Ingra 3,5/5cm, Wilon 4,5/75, Panagor Macro 2,8/90, Dallmeyer 4,5/4", Bonotar 4,5/105,

no-X · Posted: Mon Jun 08, 2009 11:15 am Post subject:

Nice. Thats a sample, according to the serial number. It should be optically very good copy Smile

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for sale: Vivitar (Komine) 55/2.8 Macro 1:1 (K/AR) | CZJ Tessar 13,5cm f/4.5 (M42) | Vivitar 35/1.9 (M42) | S-M-C Takumar 35/2 (M42) | (Carl Zeiss) aus Jena 1Q Biometar z. 80/2.8 P6 | Carl Zeiss Jena el. MC Pancolar 80/1.8 M42

list of Helios 44 lenses | List of CZJ T-marked M42 lenses | I'm not absolutely retarded, English simply isn't my mother tongue :s)

up-to 30mm: Vivitar (Tokina) Series 1 VMC 28/1.9, Vivitar (Komine) MC close-focus 28/2.8, Zeiss Distagon T* 25/2.8 ZS
35mm: Super Takumar 35/2 PRO, S-M-C Takumar 35/2, S-M-C Takumar 35/3.5, CZJ eMC Flektogon 35/2.4, SC Curtagon 35/2.8, Vivitar 35/1.9, MG Primagon V 35/4.5, CZJ Tessar T 40/4.5
50mm: S-M-C Takumar 50/1.4, S-M-C Macro Takumar 50/4, Tomioka Cosinon MC 55/1.4, Tomioka Yashinon 55/1.2, Tomioka Macro Yashinon 60/2.8, CZJ Biotar T 58/2 preset, CZJ Biotar T 58/2 17-blades, CZJ eMC Pancolar 50/1.8, aJ Pancolar 55/1.4, KMZ Helios 44-2 58/2 00xxx, KMZ Helios 44-2 58/2 0xxx, MMZ Helios MC 44-3 58/2, Helios 77M 50/1.8, KMZ Zenitar M2s MC 50/2, KMZ Industar 50/3.5, MC Volna-9 Macro 50/2.8, MC Pentacon 50/1.8, MG Trioplan 50/2.9, MG Primoplan V 58/1.9, Voigtländer Color Ultron 50/1.8, Macro Prakticar 55/2.8
85mm:, CZJ Biotar T 75/1.5 M42, CZJ eMC Pancolar 80/1.8, aJ Biometar 80/2.8 P6 zebra, CZJ Biometar 80/2.8 M42, MG Primoplan V 75/1.9 [exa], MG Night Primoplan 80/1.9 [VP Night], KMZ Helios 40-2 85/1.5 (custom hybrid of 40 and 40-2), S-M-C Takumar 85/1.8, KMZ Jupiter-9 Π 8,5/2 M39, LZOS Jupiter-9 85/2 SLR M39, LZOS Jupiter-9 85/2 M42, Kodak Meniscus 90mm, MG Telefogar V 90/3.5, MG Trioplan V 100/2.8
over 100mm: Ernemann Kinostigmat 11cm, Voigtlander SL Macro APO Lanthar 125/2.5, Spiratone 135/1.8 plura-coat, KOMZ MC Jupiter 37AM 135/3.5, KOMZ Jupiter-11 135/4, KMZ Tair 11A 135/2.8, Pentacon preset 135/2.8 (bokehmonster), CZJ Sonnar MC 135/3.5, CZJ Triotar T 135/4, LR-A Pololyt 135/4.5 "T2", ZOMZ TAIR-3 300/4.5

MF-addicted · Posted: Mon Jun 08, 2009 11:28 am Post subject:

That sounds interesting.
I shot portraits with this lens one week ago and I was overwhelmed by the quality.

Here I found something about serial numbers beginning with 0

000xxxxxx factory test (study) models (prototypes etc) mod?les d'études
d'usine (prototypes etc..)
00xxxxxx preseries models reserved for members of the communist party
and "VIPs" (reservés aux membres du parti communist et haut
responsables en pré-série)
0xxxxxx reserved for factory syndicat leaders (réservés aux
responsables syndicaux d'usines)

http://forum.mflenses.com/a-word-about-russian-serial-numbers-t3332,highlight,serial.html
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Carl Zeiss Jena:Flektogon 2.4/35, Pancolar 2/50, Pancolar 1.8/80mm, black Biotar 2/5,8cm 17bl., Sonnar 3,5/135, Sonnar 2,8/180
Carl Zeiss: Distagon 4/18T*, Distagon 1,4/35 HFT, Planar 1,4/50 T*, Vario-Sonnar 3,3-4/28-85 T*, Vario-Sonnar 100-300 T*
Leitz: Elmarit-R Wetzlar 2.8/28, Elmarit-R Wetzlar 2,8/90 I
Schneider: Xenar 2.8/50
Russian: Zenitar 16,Industar 50-2, Industar 61,Helios-40-2 1.5/85mm,Helios-44-1 2/58mm,Helios-44-2 2/58mm, MC 3M-5CA 8/500,MC Rubinar 10/1000 Macro
Meyer: Pentacon 3,5/30, Trioplan 2,9/50, Trioplan 3,5/75, Trioplan 2,8/100, Orestor 2,8/135mm, Orestegon 4/200
ISCO: Westron 2,8/35, Westron 3,5/35, Tele-Westanar 3,5/135, Tele-Westanar 4/180
Yashica: ML 21,ML 24,ML 28, ML 35, ML 100/3.5 Macro,
Nikon: Nikkor AI 2,0/24, Nikkor-P (Planar) 2,5/105
Steinheil Cassar 3,5-4,5/75 VL, Quinar 3,5/85, Culminar 4,5/105, Culminar 4,5/135, Auto-D Tele Quinar 2,8/135
Others: Officine Galileo Ingra 3,5/5cm, Wilon 4,5/75, Panagor Macro 2,8/90, Dallmeyer 4,5/4", Bonotar 4,5/105,

WolverineX · Posted: Mon Jun 08, 2009 11:58 am Post subject: Re: Black Helios 44 M42

no-X · Posted: Mon Jun 08, 2009 12:02 pm Post subject:

What about the serial number of yours copy? Smile

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for sale: Vivitar (Komine) 55/2.8 Macro 1:1 (K/AR) | CZJ Tessar 13,5cm f/4.5 (M42) | Vivitar 35/1.9 (M42) | S-M-C Takumar 35/2 (M42) | (Carl Zeiss) aus Jena 1Q Biometar z. 80/2.8 P6 | Carl Zeiss Jena el. MC Pancolar 80/1.8 M42

list of Helios 44 lenses | List of CZJ T-marked M42 lenses | I'm not absolutely retarded, English simply isn't my mother tongue :s)

up-to 30mm: Vivitar (Tokina) Series 1 VMC 28/1.9, Vivitar (Komine) MC close-focus 28/2.8, Zeiss Distagon T* 25/2.8 ZS
35mm: Super Takumar 35/2 PRO, S-M-C Takumar 35/2, S-M-C Takumar 35/3.5, CZJ eMC Flektogon 35/2.4, SC Curtagon 35/2.8, Vivitar 35/1.9, MG Primagon V 35/4.5, CZJ Tessar T 40/4.5
50mm: S-M-C Takumar 50/1.4, S-M-C Macro Takumar 50/4, Tomioka Cosinon MC 55/1.4, Tomioka Yashinon 55/1.2, Tomioka Macro Yashinon 60/2.8, CZJ Biotar T 58/2 preset, CZJ Biotar T 58/2 17-blades, CZJ eMC Pancolar 50/1.8, aJ Pancolar 55/1.4, KMZ Helios 44-2 58/2 00xxx, KMZ Helios 44-2 58/2 0xxx, MMZ Helios MC 44-3 58/2, Helios 77M 50/1.8, KMZ Zenitar M2s MC 50/2, KMZ Industar 50/3.5, MC Volna-9 Macro 50/2.8, MC Pentacon 50/1.8, MG Trioplan 50/2.9, MG Primoplan V 58/1.9, Voigtländer Color Ultron 50/1.8, Macro Prakticar 55/2.8
85mm:, CZJ Biotar T 75/1.5 M42, CZJ eMC Pancolar 80/1.8, aJ Biometar 80/2.8 P6 zebra, CZJ Biometar 80/2.8 M42, MG Primoplan V 75/1.9 [exa], MG Night Primoplan 80/1.9 [VP Night], KMZ Helios 40-2 85/1.5 (custom hybrid of 40 and 40-2), S-M-C Takumar 85/1.8, KMZ Jupiter-9 Π 8,5/2 M39, LZOS Jupiter-9 85/2 SLR M39, LZOS Jupiter-9 85/2 M42, Kodak Meniscus 90mm, MG Telefogar V 90/3.5, MG Trioplan V 100/2.8
over 100mm: Ernemann Kinostigmat 11cm, Voigtlander SL Macro APO Lanthar 125/2.5, Spiratone 135/1.8 plura-coat, KOMZ MC Jupiter 37AM 135/3.5, KOMZ Jupiter-11 135/4, KMZ Tair 11A 135/2.8, Pentacon preset 135/2.8 (bokehmonster), CZJ Sonnar MC 135/3.5, CZJ Triotar T 135/4, LR-A Pololyt 135/4.5 "T2", ZOMZ TAIR-3 300/4.5

WolverineX · Posted: Mon Jun 08, 2009 12:12 pm Post subject:

Shrek · Joined: 29 Dec 2008 Posts: 1207 Location: South coast, UK

no-X · Posted: Mon Jun 08, 2009 12:45 pm Post subject:

Hmm, another sample... Smile

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for sale: Vivitar (Komine) 55/2.8 Macro 1:1 (K/AR) | CZJ Tessar 13,5cm f/4.5 (M42) | Vivitar 35/1.9 (M42) | S-M-C Takumar 35/2 (M42) | (Carl Zeiss) aus Jena 1Q Biometar z. 80/2.8 P6 | Carl Zeiss Jena el. MC Pancolar 80/1.8 M42

list of Helios 44 lenses | List of CZJ T-marked M42 lenses | I'm not absolutely retarded, English simply isn't my mother tongue :s)

up-to 30mm: Vivitar (Tokina) Series 1 VMC 28/1.9, Vivitar (Komine) MC close-focus 28/2.8, Zeiss Distagon T* 25/2.8 ZS
35mm: Super Takumar 35/2 PRO, S-M-C Takumar 35/2, S-M-C Takumar 35/3.5, CZJ eMC Flektogon 35/2.4, SC Curtagon 35/2.8, Vivitar 35/1.9, MG Primagon V 35/4.5, CZJ Tessar T 40/4.5
50mm: S-M-C Takumar 50/1.4, S-M-C Macro Takumar 50/4, Tomioka Cosinon MC 55/1.4, Tomioka Yashinon 55/1.2, Tomioka Macro Yashinon 60/2.8, CZJ Biotar T 58/2 preset, CZJ Biotar T 58/2 17-blades, CZJ eMC Pancolar 50/1.8, aJ Pancolar 55/1.4, KMZ Helios 44-2 58/2 00xxx, KMZ Helios 44-2 58/2 0xxx, MMZ Helios MC 44-3 58/2, Helios 77M 50/1.8, KMZ Zenitar M2s MC 50/2, KMZ Industar 50/3.5, MC Volna-9 Macro 50/2.8, MC Pentacon 50/1.8, MG Trioplan 50/2.9, MG Primoplan V 58/1.9, Voigtländer Color Ultron 50/1.8, Macro Prakticar 55/2.8
85mm:, CZJ Biotar T 75/1.5 M42, CZJ eMC Pancolar 80/1.8, aJ Biometar 80/2.8 P6 zebra, CZJ Biometar 80/2.8 M42, MG Primoplan V 75/1.9 [exa], MG Night Primoplan 80/1.9 [VP Night], KMZ Helios 40-2 85/1.5 (custom hybrid of 40 and 40-2), S-M-C Takumar 85/1.8, KMZ Jupiter-9 Π 8,5/2 M39, LZOS Jupiter-9 85/2 SLR M39, LZOS Jupiter-9 85/2 M42, Kodak Meniscus 90mm, MG Telefogar V 90/3.5, MG Trioplan V 100/2.8
over 100mm: Ernemann Kinostigmat 11cm, Voigtlander SL Macro APO Lanthar 125/2.5, Spiratone 135/1.8 plura-coat, KOMZ MC Jupiter 37AM 135/3.5, KOMZ Jupiter-11 135/4, KMZ Tair 11A 135/2.8, Pentacon preset 135/2.8 (bokehmonster), CZJ Sonnar MC 135/3.5, CZJ Triotar T 135/4, LR-A Pololyt 135/4.5 "T2", ZOMZ TAIR-3 300/4.5

WolverineX · Posted: Mon Jun 08, 2009 1:21 pm Post subject:

here is the image i took when i got photosniper, where you can see that it is Helios 44 but i just can't make out the number, i'll have to take a look when i get home

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Oly E-520 + 14-42 + 70-300 + Sigma 105mm + FL-50R

OM lenses: 28mm/3.5, 50mm/1.8, 50mm/1.4, 50mm/3.5 macro, 90mm/2 macro,135mm/2.8,135mm/3.5, 75-150mm/4 , 35-70mm/4 ,Soligor OM 28-80mm/3.5-4.5 , RMC Tokina 80-200mm/4 , Osawa 135mm/2.8 Osawa 28mm/2.8 , Vivitar 28mm/2.8 , Sigma 24mm/2.8 , Sigma 8mm/4 fisheye , Vivitar 90mm/2.8 , Panagor 55mm/2.8 , Tamron SP 90mm/2.5
m42 lenses : Pancolar 50mm/1.8, Fujinon EBC 55mm/3.5 macro , Tomioka Yashinon 60mm/2.8, Pentacon 50mm/1.8,Weltblick 135mm/2.8, Helios-44-2 58mm/2 , Samyang 500mm/8, Industar-50-2 50mm/3,5 , tair3-phs 300mm/4.5 , aus Jena 50mm/2.8, Montgomery Ward 28mm/2.8 , Helios 44M-4 58mm/2, Helios 44 58mm/2 , Jupiter-21M 200mm/4 , Mir-1W 37mm/2.8, Industar 61 L/Z 50mm/2.8 ,Helios 40-2 85mm/1.5, Tair 11a 135mm/2.8 , Jupiter37a/3.5, Volna-9 50mm/2.8, Super Macro Takumar 50mm/4, Macro Takumar 50/4, Sirius 18-28mm/4-4.5 , CZJ Tessar 50mm/2.8 , Fujinon 55mm/1.8 , Super Carenar 35mm/2.8 , Cosinon 50mm/2.8 (several 2x converters , macro bellows )
pentacon six lens: czj Flektogon 50mm/4 , Biometar 80mm/2.8
minolta md lens:macro rokkor qf 50mm/3.5 , Tokina AT-x 90mm/2.5 , sigma 100mm/2.8
pentax k lens:SMC pentax-m 50mm/1.4 , SMC pentax-m 100mm/4 macro
nikon manual lenses: Maginon 100-500mm/5.6-7.1, Kiron 105mm/2.8, Tokina AT-X 50-250mm/4-5.6, Micro-Nikkor 55mm/3.5 , Micro-Nikkor 105mm/2.8 , Micro-Nikkor 200mm/4 , Nikkor 28mm/2.8 AiS , Soligor 200mm/2.8 / El-Nikkors: 50mm/2.8 , 80mm/5.6
Canon FD lenses:Makinon 35-70 , Canon 135 , Canon 70-150
film gear:Canon t50 + Olympus OM-2 (+ Nikon FE + Nikkor 50 1:1.8 ... just got to find them somewhere in my apartment)+Pentacon six TL + Praktica LB + others...

Xpres · Joined: 11 Dec 2007 Posts: 603 Location: UK

There seem to be rather a lot of Russian lenses about with serial numbers starting '0'.

Confused

My 44 - silver M39 version - starts with 50 though. Sad

Now what does that mean?
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MF-addicted · Posted: Mon Jun 08, 2009 2:07 pm Post subject:

@ Xpres:
In Russian lenses, the first two digits of the serial number indicate the year of manufacture.

http://www.cameraquest.com/russian.htm
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Carl Zeiss Jena:Flektogon 2.4/35, Pancolar 2/50, Pancolar 1.8/80mm, black Biotar 2/5,8cm 17bl., Sonnar 3,5/135, Sonnar 2,8/180
Carl Zeiss: Distagon 4/18T*, Distagon 1,4/35 HFT, Planar 1,4/50 T*, Vario-Sonnar 3,3-4/28-85 T*, Vario-Sonnar 100-300 T*
Leitz: Elmarit-R Wetzlar 2.8/28, Elmarit-R Wetzlar 2,8/90 I
Schneider: Xenar 2.8/50
Russian: Zenitar 16,Industar 50-2, Industar 61,Helios-40-2 1.5/85mm,Helios-44-1 2/58mm,Helios-44-2 2/58mm, MC 3M-5CA 8/500,MC Rubinar 10/1000 Macro
Meyer: Pentacon 3,5/30, Trioplan 2,9/50, Trioplan 3,5/75, Trioplan 2,8/100, Orestor 2,8/135mm, Orestegon 4/200
ISCO: Westron 2,8/35, Westron 3,5/35, Tele-Westanar 3,5/135, Tele-Westanar 4/180
Yashica: ML 21,ML 24,ML 28, ML 35, ML 100/3.5 Macro,
Nikon: Nikkor AI 2,0/24, Nikkor-P (Planar) 2,5/105
Steinheil Cassar 3,5-4,5/75 VL, Quinar 3,5/85, Culminar 4,5/105, Culminar 4,5/135, Auto-D Tele Quinar 2,8/135
Others: Officine Galileo Ingra 3,5/5cm, Wilon 4,5/75, Panagor Macro 2,8/90, Dallmeyer 4,5/4", Bonotar 4,5/105,

no-X · Posted: Mon Jun 08, 2009 2:13 pm Post subject:

MF-addicted: That's true only for production copies. Pre-production prototypes and samples begins with zeros:

MF-addicted · Posted: Mon Jun 08, 2009 2:18 pm Post subject:

Sorry, this was the answer for "Xpres". His serial began with 50.

no-X · Posted: Mon Jun 08, 2009 2:47 pm Post subject:

Sorry

Anyway, that's strange even more. The oldest Helios 44 I've found on web was the M39 silver one from 1960. Even that is quite surprising, because I didn't find any Helios lens from 1961-1969.

And now 1950...?

Helios-44 was designed in 1950, but production begun around year 1958, according to this site:

http://www.zenit.istra.ru/archive/lenses/helios-44.html

Xpres: could you also post some pictures of your lens, please? Smile

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for sale: Vivitar (Komine) 55/2.8 Macro 1:1 (K/AR) | CZJ Tessar 13,5cm f/4.5 (M42) | Vivitar 35/1.9 (M42) | S-M-C Takumar 35/2 (M42) | (Carl Zeiss) aus Jena 1Q Biometar z. 80/2.8 P6 | Carl Zeiss Jena el. MC Pancolar 80/1.8 M42

list of Helios 44 lenses | List of CZJ T-marked M42 lenses | I'm not absolutely retarded, English simply isn't my mother tongue :s)

up-to 30mm: Vivitar (Tokina) Series 1 VMC 28/1.9, Vivitar (Komine) MC close-focus 28/2.8, Zeiss Distagon T* 25/2.8 ZS
35mm: Super Takumar 35/2 PRO, S-M-C Takumar 35/2, S-M-C Takumar 35/3.5, CZJ eMC Flektogon 35/2.4, SC Curtagon 35/2.8, Vivitar 35/1.9, MG Primagon V 35/4.5, CZJ Tessar T 40/4.5
50mm: S-M-C Takumar 50/1.4, S-M-C Macro Takumar 50/4, Tomioka Cosinon MC 55/1.4, Tomioka Yashinon 55/1.2, Tomioka Macro Yashinon 60/2.8, CZJ Biotar T 58/2 preset, CZJ Biotar T 58/2 17-blades, CZJ eMC Pancolar 50/1.8, aJ Pancolar 55/1.4, KMZ Helios 44-2 58/2 00xxx, KMZ Helios 44-2 58/2 0xxx, MMZ Helios MC 44-3 58/2, Helios 77M 50/1.8, KMZ Zenitar M2s MC 50/2, KMZ Industar 50/3.5, MC Volna-9 Macro 50/2.8, MC Pentacon 50/1.8, MG Trioplan 50/2.9, MG Primoplan V 58/1.9, Voigtländer Color Ultron 50/1.8, Macro Prakticar 55/2.8
85mm:, CZJ Biotar T 75/1.5 M42, CZJ eMC Pancolar 80/1.8, aJ Biometar 80/2.8 P6 zebra, CZJ Biometar 80/2.8 M42, MG Primoplan V 75/1.9 [exa], MG Night Primoplan 80/1.9 [VP Night], KMZ Helios 40-2 85/1.5 (custom hybrid of 40 and 40-2), S-M-C Takumar 85/1.8, KMZ Jupiter-9 Π 8,5/2 M39, LZOS Jupiter-9 85/2 SLR M39, LZOS Jupiter-9 85/2 M42, Kodak Meniscus 90mm, MG Telefogar V 90/3.5, MG Trioplan V 100/2.8
over 100mm: Ernemann Kinostigmat 11cm, Voigtlander SL Macro APO Lanthar 125/2.5, Spiratone 135/1.8 plura-coat, KOMZ MC Jupiter 37AM 135/3.5, KOMZ Jupiter-11 135/4, KMZ Tair 11A 135/2.8, Pentacon preset 135/2.8 (bokehmonster), CZJ Sonnar MC 135/3.5, CZJ Triotar T 135/4, LR-A Pololyt 135/4.5 "T2", ZOMZ TAIR-3 300/4.5

Xpres · Joined: 11 Dec 2007 Posts: 603 Location: UK

I thought it a bit early! As far as I know the Zenit 1 first appeared in 1952 with an m39 mount and industar lens, so a 44 from 1950 seems a little odd. Maybe the year thing didn't start 'til later?

It came with my 3M which is dated at 1965.
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