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verdurina
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verdurina wrote:
I would buy m42 50mm lens but I'm not sure which.
I'm interested in good color rendering and good bokeh
Since I spend less than 50 € I thought:
CZJ Tessar 50mm f2.8 (which version? which is MC? How is "zebra" version? There are many!)
Pancolar CZJ 50mm f1.8 (costs a bit more ...)
Pentacon 50mm f1.8
I do not understand what is the difference between Pancolar and Tessar!
I have a 58mm Helios 44m-7 is very good as made, so I'd like a lens of at least equal value!
what about? 
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| Posted: Mon Jul 26, 2010 6:18 pm Post subject: |
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Attila wrote:
I think all Tessar are good choice they don't have big difference.
I like Helios-44 also , my favorite is oldest silver M39.
Nikon 50mm f2 AI , pre-AI pretty unbeatable and fit into your budget.
Olympus OM 50mm f1.8
Konica 50mm any
Takumars any
Arsat 50mm f1.4
long list better to ask which 50mm is not recommended.
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calvin83
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| Posted: Mon Jul 26, 2010 6:26 pm Post subject: |
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calvin83 wrote:
| Attila wrote: |
I think all Tessar are good choice they don't have big difference.
I like Helios-44 also , my favorite is oldest silver M39.
Nikon 50mm f2 AI , pre-AI pretty unbeatable and fit into your budget.
Olympus OM 50mm f1.8
Konica 50mm any
Takumars any
Arsat 50mm f1.4
long list better to ask which 50mm is not recommended. |
I do not recommend the Domiplan 50mm f2.8.
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verdurina
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| Posted: Mon Jul 26, 2010 6:30 pm Post subject: |
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| long list better to ask which 50mm is not recommended. |
ahahah  thank you attila!
I saw some tessar showing the symbol T before the name to "tessar"
I am confused, is really Zeiss T covering?
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eggboy wrote:
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Nikon 50mm f2 AI , pre-AI pretty unbeatable and fit into your budget.
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+1
What camera are you going to use?
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verdurina
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| Posted: Mon Jul 26, 2010 6:36 pm Post subject: |
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verdurina wrote:
My camera is Canon EOS 450D (Digital Rebel XSi) with m42 adaptor!
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Attila wrote:
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| My camera is Canon EOS 450D (Digital Rebel XSi) with m42 adaptor! |
Buy some other adapters too , Olympus OM , Nikon, Contax/Yashica a must have one and enjoy cheap lenses from other makers too.
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Attila wrote:
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| long list better to ask which 50mm is not recommended. |
ahahah thank you attila!
I saw some tessar showing the symbol T before the name to "tessar"
I am confused, is really Zeiss T covering?
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Yes from eastern factory, T* from western factory.
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verdurina
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verdurina wrote:
Really! I am very interested to Olympus OM fit!
I have see some adaptors, but I am hesitant!
Is suitable on my canon 450d without risk for the mirror?
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fish4570 wrote:
Meyer-Optik Oreston 50/1.8, Super Takumar 55/f2 (55/f1.8 is same as f2).
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Attila
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Attila wrote:
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Really! I am very interested to Olympus OM fit!
I have see some adaptors, but I am hesitant!
Is suitable on my canon 450d without risk for the mirror? |
I don't have Canon experience , but I never heard about problem here. Hopefully Canon owners will confirm it.
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| Posted: Mon Jul 26, 2010 7:07 pm Post subject: |
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ManualFocus-G wrote:
| Attila wrote: |
| verdurina wrote: |
Really! I am very interested to Olympus OM fit!
I have see some adaptors, but I am hesitant!
Is suitable on my canon 450d without risk for the mirror? |
I don't have Canon experience , but I never heard about problem here. Hopefully Canon owners will confirm it. |
Olympus OM is fine on a Canon DSLR.
As for the Tessars, it came in at least three SLR mounts:
1. M42 50/2.8 (cheap - should cost about £20.00)
2. Exakta 50/2.8 (cheaper - should cost about £10.00 but no infinity focus on a Canon DSLR)
3. Contax / Yashica T* 45/2.8 (expensive but superb, around £150.00 but won't fit on a full frame camera such as the 5D).
The Pancolor is a much better lens and is faster with a maximum aperture of f1.8, but is also more expensive.
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dsmlogger
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| Posted: Mon Jul 26, 2010 7:19 pm Post subject: Re: best economic 50mm? |
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dsmlogger wrote:
| verdurina wrote: |
I would buy m42 50mm lens but I'm not sure which.
I'm interested in good color rendering and good bokeh
Since I spend less than 50 € I thought:
CZJ Tessar 50mm f2.8 (which version? which is MC? How is "zebra" version? There are many!)
Pancolar CZJ 50mm f1.8 (costs a bit more ...)
Pentacon 50mm f1.8
I do not understand what is the difference between Pancolar and Tessar!
I have a 58mm Helios 44m-7 is very good as made, so I'd like a lens of at least equal value!
what about? |
From my experience I suggest:
Meyer Oreston 50mm f1.8
Mamiya 50mm f1.8 & 55mm f1.4
Helios 44-2 58mm f2
I am also sure there are other very nice lenses in M42 (like Pentax Takumar for example) but I have not used them
If yoy want to try other mount I strongly recommend any Olympus OM Zuiko you can find, especially the MC version of Zuiko 50mm f1.8 and the Zuiko 50mm f1.4 |
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verdurina
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| Posted: Mon Jul 26, 2010 7:20 pm Post subject: |
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verdurina wrote:
yes yes! I think that Pancolar is better than Tessar but is also much expensive!
I'm considering these 4 different version of tessar
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tkbslc wrote:
I don't know of ANY lenses which hit the mirror on APS-C sized Canon cameras. The mirror interference issues are all with the full framers like the 5D.
I think the best cheap 50mm lenses are the Yashica ML 50mm lenses -f2, f1.9 or f1.7 - whichever you find the best deal on. My 50mm f2 was $7 and it is really good.
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Attila wrote:
4 looks mine on sale  best from all
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verdurina
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| Posted: Mon Jul 26, 2010 8:03 pm Post subject: |
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verdurina wrote:
not bad!!
i like it!
but i am oriented to version 3 of tessar...
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ManualFocus-G wrote:
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I don't know of ANY lenses which hit the mirror on APS-C sized Canon cameras. The mirror interference issues are all with the full framers like the 5D.
I think the best cheap 50mm lenses are the Yashica ML 50mm lenses -f2, f1.9 or f1.7 - whichever you find the best deal on. My 50mm f2 was $7 and it is really good. |
Most are OK, but as I mentioned before, Ricoh PK lenses have long bits sticking out of the back. Some will not even click into place on a crop sensor Canon 
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Attila
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| Posted: Mon Jul 26, 2010 8:23 pm Post subject: |
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Attila wrote:
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not bad!!
i like it!
but i am oriented to version 3 of tessar... |
Weakest from all or my copy was pretty bad.
http://www.mflenses.com/gallery/v/german/zeiss/tessar/
On above link you can see my Tessar collection in action including version three.
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| Posted: Tue Jul 27, 2010 1:09 am Post subject: Re: best economic 50mm? |
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JohnBee wrote:
| verdurina wrote: |
| I have a 58mm Helios 44m-7 is very good as made, so I'd like a lens of at least equal value! |
Takumar 55 1.8 is about as close to the Helios 44M-7 that I could get without breaking the bank. TBH. its going to be hard to match the Helios in an affordable price range I think. |
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RioRico wrote:
Any Takumar, yes. 50-55/2's are still cheap.
Meyer Oreston 50/1.8, yes. Helios-44, sure.
Industar-50/3.5 is quite sharp. It's APO too.
I have many others, but those are the MF 50s I use most.
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AhamB
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AhamB wrote:
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| Industar-50/3.5 is quite sharp. It's APO too. |
What do you mean... the Industar is an apochromatic design? Hard to believe. |
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Boomer Depp wrote:
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Nikon 50mm f2 AI , pre-AI pretty unbeatable and fit into your budget.
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Ditto with an emphasis on what Attila said...
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ramiller500 wrote:
The Yashinon DS 50mm/1.9 lens is cheap, sharp, and not radioactive.
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djmike wrote:
50mm is the most debatable field...... you'll see.
BTW, saying best ECONOMIC, I vote Helios-44M even it's 58mm.
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