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Attila
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 Posted: Mon Nov 03, 2008 5:28 pm Post subject: Bessa RF Ilford B&W |
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I don't think so I ever put B&W film again into my cameras.
It's super duper crap compare with color version.
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Katastrofo
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| Posted: Mon Nov 03, 2008 5:40 pm Post subject: |
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| Shots are in good focus, but agree, your slide stuff is way much better! |
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Sevo
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| Posted: Mon Nov 03, 2008 6:30 pm Post subject: |
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Uh, it is not really that bad, if you repair the poor processing that caused air bubble spots near the top, and correct contrast and brightness:
For starters, the picture is quite ok - a bit on the oldfashioned side, but it doesn't harm to learn how to do that.
A suitable filter to bring out the brightness of the strip of plants from the right to the center would have improved it considerably, and a position a few meters closer to the pile of rocks, to have a more dominant foreground object, might have given it the final touch.
B&W landscape will usually need filters (anywhere between green and red) to control the rendition of different coloured parts of terrain, and you have to aquire a feeling for the balance between light and dark after the colour is gone but that will come with a few rolls - and these days, you can accelerate the process for free, by testing your software b&w conversion skills on your existing colour images.
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Attila
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| Posted: Mon Nov 03, 2008 6:33 pm Post subject: |
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Hey , great result Sevo! I think B&W good for me only for some selected moment from people like Cosmin doing or some dramatic HDR photos like Simon's doing.
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Katastrofo
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| Posted: Mon Nov 03, 2008 6:47 pm Post subject: |
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Great results, Sevo, that is a vast improvement! Today I load Provia 100F
in my Bessa. |
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Attila
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| Posted: Mon Nov 03, 2008 6:49 pm Post subject: |
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I look forward result !
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Katastrofo
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| Posted: Mon Nov 03, 2008 6:56 pm Post subject: |
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Well, it takes 10-12 days just to get it processed as opposed to film negs,
that take 5 days. The 120 negs are only $0.84 to get developed as opposed
to $4.88 for the slides, but still way cheaper than the place I used before. |
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Attila
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| Posted: Mon Nov 03, 2008 6:59 pm Post subject: |
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I have time to wait no problem I would see some colorful autumn photos with blue sky if possible.
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Katastrofo
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| Posted: Mon Nov 03, 2008 7:30 pm Post subject: |
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| I'm hoping for better autumn colors by the weekend, at least I hope so. |
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estudleon
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| Attila wrote: | | Hey , great result Sevo! I think B&W good for me only for some selected moment from people like Cosmin doing or some dramatic HDR photos like Simon's doing. |
If you like the tonal separation that exist in the location, meter at Zone 5.
If the center of the subject is a bit dark, Zona 4. If it haven't detail, zone 3. It's difficult use zone 3, generally use zona 4 for the darkest zone.
Skin of white man and similars tonal rendition, zona 6. Snow and very sunny location, zone 7.
If the sky is important in the pic, when you expose to the shadows, control that not overexpose the sky. To darken sky, orange or red filter.
It's an incomplete summary of my experience in B&W.
Glosary: Zone 5 - meter reading
6- open 1
7- open 2
4- close 1
3-close 2
Rino.
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Konica 2,8/100
CZJ: 4/20, 2,4/35, 1,8/50 aus jena, 3,5/135MC, Pentacon 1,8/50
Pentax S-M-C-1,4/50
Helios 44-3
Mamiya 2,8/135
Misc. : jupiter 9
Stuff used:
A) SRL
Alpa 10 D - kern macro Switar 1,9/50 -black, Kilffit apochromat 2/100.
Asahi pentax spotmatic super takumar 1,4/50
Contaflex super B tessar 2,8/50 Pro-tessar 115
Leica R3 electronic summicron 2/50 elmarit 2,8/35
Konica Autoreflex 3 (2 black and chrome one), TC, T4. 2,8/24, 3,5/28 not MC and MC, 1,8/40, 1,4/50, 1,7/50 MC and not MC, 1,8/85, 3,2/135, 3,5/135, 4/200
Minolta XG9 2,8/35, 2/45, 3,5/135
Nikkormat FTn 1,4/50, 2,8/135
Fujica ST 801, 605, 705n. 3,5/19, 1,4/50, 1,8/55, 4/85, 3,5/135.
Praktica MTL 5 and a lot of M42 lenses.
Voigtlander. Bessamatic m, bessamatix de luxe, bessamatic cs, ultramatic and ultramatic cs.
Skoparex 3,5/35, skopagon 2/40, skopar 2,8/50, skopar X 2,8/50, super lanthar (out of catalogue) 2,8/50, dinarex 3,4/90, dinarex 4,8/100, super dinarex 4/135, super dinarex 4/200, zoomar 2,8/36-83, portrait lens 0, 1 and 2. Curtagon 4/28 and 2,8/35
Canon AV1, 1,8/50
Rolleiflex SL35 and SL35 E. 2,8/35 angulon, 2,8/35 distagon, 1,4/55 rolleinar, 1,8/50 planar, 4/135 tessar, 2,8/135 rolleinar, x2 rollei, M42 to rollei adap.
Etc.
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Voightlander Vito, vitomatic I, Vito C, etc.
Leica M. M2, M3 (d.s.) and M4. Schenider 3,4/21, 2/35 summaron 2,8/35 (with eyes). Summicron 2/35 (8 elements with eyes), 2/35 chrome, 2/35 black, 1,4/35 pre asph and aspheric - old -, 2/40 summicron, 2,8/50 elmar, 2/50 7 elements, 2/50 DR, 2/50 - minolta version, 1,4/50 summilux 1966 version, 1,4/75 summilux, 2/90 large version, 2/90 reduced version of 1987, 2,8/90 elmarit large version, 4/135 elmar. |
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Katastrofo
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| Posted: Mon Nov 03, 2008 11:05 pm Post subject: |
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Rino, Ansel is smiling down upon you from the heavens.  |
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estudleon
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| Katastrofo wrote: | | Rino, Ansel is smiling down upon you from the heavens. |
Of course it's an horrific simplification of Ansel method, but for streets and diary pics was useable for me. Specially in street pics with incident read (zone 5).
Rino.
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Konica 2,8/100
CZJ: 4/20, 2,4/35, 1,8/50 aus jena, 3,5/135MC, Pentacon 1,8/50
Pentax S-M-C-1,4/50
Helios 44-3
Mamiya 2,8/135
Misc. : jupiter 9
Stuff used:
A) SRL
Alpa 10 D - kern macro Switar 1,9/50 -black, Kilffit apochromat 2/100.
Asahi pentax spotmatic super takumar 1,4/50
Contaflex super B tessar 2,8/50 Pro-tessar 115
Leica R3 electronic summicron 2/50 elmarit 2,8/35
Konica Autoreflex 3 (2 black and chrome one), TC, T4. 2,8/24, 3,5/28 not MC and MC, 1,8/40, 1,4/50, 1,7/50 MC and not MC, 1,8/85, 3,2/135, 3,5/135, 4/200
Minolta XG9 2,8/35, 2/45, 3,5/135
Nikkormat FTn 1,4/50, 2,8/135
Fujica ST 801, 605, 705n. 3,5/19, 1,4/50, 1,8/55, 4/85, 3,5/135.
Praktica MTL 5 and a lot of M42 lenses.
Voigtlander. Bessamatic m, bessamatix de luxe, bessamatic cs, ultramatic and ultramatic cs.
Skoparex 3,5/35, skopagon 2/40, skopar 2,8/50, skopar X 2,8/50, super lanthar (out of catalogue) 2,8/50, dinarex 3,4/90, dinarex 4,8/100, super dinarex 4/135, super dinarex 4/200, zoomar 2,8/36-83, portrait lens 0, 1 and 2. Curtagon 4/28 and 2,8/35
Canon AV1, 1,8/50
Rolleiflex SL35 and SL35 E. 2,8/35 angulon, 2,8/35 distagon, 1,4/55 rolleinar, 1,8/50 planar, 4/135 tessar, 2,8/135 rolleinar, x2 rollei, M42 to rollei adap.
Etc.
RF
Yashica Minister III
Voightlander Vito, vitomatic I, Vito C, etc.
Leica M. M2, M3 (d.s.) and M4. Schenider 3,4/21, 2/35 summaron 2,8/35 (with eyes). Summicron 2/35 (8 elements with eyes), 2/35 chrome, 2/35 black, 1,4/35 pre asph and aspheric - old -, 2/40 summicron, 2,8/50 elmar, 2/50 7 elements, 2/50 DR, 2/50 - minolta version, 1,4/50 summilux 1966 version, 1,4/75 summilux, 2/90 large version, 2/90 reduced version of 1987, 2,8/90 elmarit large version, 4/135 elmar. |
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Nesster
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| Posted: Tue Nov 04, 2008 1:23 pm Post subject: |
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With b&w more than color, photographers would do the m thing... you know, manipulation... to improve on what comes naturally. This includes the filters in front of the lens as well as chemistry and light play that come towards the back.
Don't be discouraged.
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estudleon
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| Nesster wrote: | | With b&w more than color, photographers would do the m thing... you know, manipulation... to improve on what comes naturally. This includes the filters in front of the lens as well as chemistry and light play that come towards the back. |
yes. I prefer the pre to the postprod. In the postprod prefer do this at the laboratory (burning, etc) to the digital ones, it's more craft for me. But when the important is the message, all the ways are valid, endeed.
Rino.
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Konica 2,8/100
CZJ: 4/20, 2,4/35, 1,8/50 aus jena, 3,5/135MC, Pentacon 1,8/50
Pentax S-M-C-1,4/50
Helios 44-3
Mamiya 2,8/135
Misc. : jupiter 9
Stuff used:
A) SRL
Alpa 10 D - kern macro Switar 1,9/50 -black, Kilffit apochromat 2/100.
Asahi pentax spotmatic super takumar 1,4/50
Contaflex super B tessar 2,8/50 Pro-tessar 115
Leica R3 electronic summicron 2/50 elmarit 2,8/35
Konica Autoreflex 3 (2 black and chrome one), TC, T4. 2,8/24, 3,5/28 not MC and MC, 1,8/40, 1,4/50, 1,7/50 MC and not MC, 1,8/85, 3,2/135, 3,5/135, 4/200
Minolta XG9 2,8/35, 2/45, 3,5/135
Nikkormat FTn 1,4/50, 2,8/135
Fujica ST 801, 605, 705n. 3,5/19, 1,4/50, 1,8/55, 4/85, 3,5/135.
Praktica MTL 5 and a lot of M42 lenses.
Voigtlander. Bessamatic m, bessamatix de luxe, bessamatic cs, ultramatic and ultramatic cs.
Skoparex 3,5/35, skopagon 2/40, skopar 2,8/50, skopar X 2,8/50, super lanthar (out of catalogue) 2,8/50, dinarex 3,4/90, dinarex 4,8/100, super dinarex 4/135, super dinarex 4/200, zoomar 2,8/36-83, portrait lens 0, 1 and 2. Curtagon 4/28 and 2,8/35
Canon AV1, 1,8/50
Rolleiflex SL35 and SL35 E. 2,8/35 angulon, 2,8/35 distagon, 1,4/55 rolleinar, 1,8/50 planar, 4/135 tessar, 2,8/135 rolleinar, x2 rollei, M42 to rollei adap.
Etc.
RF
Yashica Minister III
Voightlander Vito, vitomatic I, Vito C, etc.
Leica M. M2, M3 (d.s.) and M4. Schenider 3,4/21, 2/35 summaron 2,8/35 (with eyes). Summicron 2/35 (8 elements with eyes), 2/35 chrome, 2/35 black, 1,4/35 pre asph and aspheric - old -, 2/40 summicron, 2,8/50 elmar, 2/50 7 elements, 2/50 DR, 2/50 - minolta version, 1,4/50 summilux 1966 version, 1,4/75 summilux, 2/90 large version, 2/90 reduced version of 1987, 2,8/90 elmarit large version, 4/135 elmar. |
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