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blotafton
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 Posted: Mon Jan 27, 2014 12:02 am Post subject: Beroflex -5°- 500mm f/8 |
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Hello, here is a post about my Beroflex 500mm preset lens. One of those cheap long lenses with whatever name on them. This one has a FD mount. What surprised me was that its image quality wasn't trash can bad, loads of CA but acceptable sharpness. Seen worse.
1/100s, hand hold.
slight crop
Kind of funky colors. 1/400s hand hold.
All shots taken at F/8 with an Eos 40D, non correcting adapter. Hold by hand. |
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ForenSeil
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ForenSeil wrote:
I do also like this Beroflex.
Good value for the money compared to other 500mm lenses.
Only thing I don't like is the length of this lens.... but that's quite normal unless you're using mirror lenses, which are often inferior or much more expensive.
I wonder who made this lens originally. There are several successors but optically they are different. Today it's made by Samyang.
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Attila wrote:
Well known as not crappy lens , it did surprise me as well, great samples.
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duckrider
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| Posted: Mon Jan 27, 2014 6:54 am Post subject: |
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duckrider wrote:
I dearly love these simple and cheap things!
Have a look for "Wundertüte 500" (lucky bag), there are so many posts in the net alredy.
Lens was obviously first made in the mid 70's, there were also 5.6/300mm & 6.3/400mm lenses by Beroflex.
It's not a Zeiss or Leica, but a lens with good reputation, unbeatable for it's price:
http://www.dazzledorf.net/aktuell/index.php/2012/02/21/wundertute/
From the 500mm there are two variants: The elder one with 72mm filter thred is often called better than the newer 67mm variant.
If You don't need high f-stop & AF, it's worth to look at a Beroflex. One nice feature is the T-mount: The lens is adaptable to most SLR cameras, decades before live view diigitals were established...
And with these cheap lenes there was already a lot of money to earn:
Heinrich Mandermann was one of great businessman in German camera industry:
Have a look to him and be impressed:
http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heinrich_Manderman
He did not own "a" Rollei, Schneider, Exakta, Beroflex, B&W filter or Orwo,
he owned Rollei, Schneider, Beroflex, B&W filter, Exakta, Orwo and a lot more of German Photoindustry....haha
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blotafton
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| Posted: Mon Jan 27, 2014 11:17 am Post subject: |
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blotafton wrote:
I knew there was something wrong, it's handheld not "hand hold".
| ForenSeil wrote: |
I do also like this Beroflex.
Good value for the money compared to other 500mm lenses.
Only thing I don't like is the length of this lens.... but that's quite normal unless you're using mirror lenses, which are often inferior or much more expensive.
I wonder who made this lens originally. There are several successors but optically they are different. Today it's made by Samyang. |
Quite long yes but it makes up for it in weight, just put in on a scale and got 688g, almost the same as my af canon 70-300 IS. It's like an extra grip, I could almost be fooled it's simply a metal tube with no glass inside 
Man I wish I had bought a Yashica 500mm mirror lens at a local market last year, it would be interesting to compare. Unfortunately the seller was off somewhere.
| Attila wrote: |
| Well known as not crappy lens , it did surprise me as well, great samples. |
Thanks! Its' fun to use also. Mine is limited to about 15 meters due to the FD flange distance. But if I get one of those Sony cams... 
| duckrider wrote: |
I dearly love these simple and cheap things!
Have a look for "Wundertüte 500" (lucky bag), there are so many posts in the net alredy.
Lens was obviously first made in the mid 70's, there were also 5.6/300mm & 6.3/400mm lenses by Beroflex.
It's not a Zeiss or Leica, but a lens with good reputation, unbeatable for it's price:
http://www.dazzledorf.net/aktuell/index.php/2012/02/21/wundertute/
From the 500mm there are two variants: The elder one with 72mm filter thred is often called better than the newer 67mm variant.
If You don't need high f-stop & AF, it's worth to look at a Beroflex. One nice feature is the T-mount: The lens is adaptable to most SLR cameras, decades before live view diigitals were established...
And with these cheap lenes there was already a lot of money to earn:
Heinrich Mandermann was one of great businessman in German camera industry:
Have a look to him and be impressed:
http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heinrich_Manderman
He did not own "a" Rollei, Schneider, Exakta, Beroflex, B&W filter or Orwo,
he owned Rollei, Schneider, Beroflex, B&W filter, Exakta, Orwo and a lot more of German Photoindustry....haha |
Yeah good for the price.
Ah, didn't know about the 72mm version, I have the newer version then.
Is T-mount a screw mount? Mine has a FD mount that seems to be held in place by three screws around the barrel. It's a lose fit to say the least when mounted on a camera. |
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duckrider
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| Posted: Mon Jan 27, 2014 11:32 am Post subject: |
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| Is T-mount a screw mount? Mine has a FD mount that seems to be held in place by three screws around the barrel. It's a lose fit to say the least when mounted on a camera. |
Your FD part should be unsrewable from the lens and lot of other mounts are fixable:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/T-mount
There's an insert, fixed with three srews around, put into the bayonet mount for Your cam. With these three srews the mount can be turned in a correct angle, so that meter scale is to be seen from above.
here's a picture for Nikon :
http://lens-club.ru/public/files/users/image/generic_20t_20mount.jpg
and here's Your Canon FD to be seen:
http://www.scopesnskies.com/magnify/326.1.html
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blotafton
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| Posted: Mon Jan 27, 2014 1:03 pm Post subject: |
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blotafton wrote:
Thanks for the detailed explanation. In that case I will keep my eyes open for m42 or Nikon adapters to put on there, for which I have EF adapters. |
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Tedat
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| Posted: Mon Jan 27, 2014 1:24 pm Post subject: |
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Tedat wrote:
if you use Nikon.. get one for Nikon then:
Click here to see on Ebay
But if you use Canon EF.. get on of those:
Click here to see on Ebay
they exist for any modern mount, are cheap and easy to replace...
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duckrider
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| Posted: Mon Jan 27, 2014 1:34 pm Post subject: |
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duckrider wrote:
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| ....it's cheap ... |
Aaaaahmmm, is there anybody out there, who is willing to sell a T-adapter to ALPA (Switzerland, NOT Sony Alpha!) for a reasonable price?
looking for one now, but can't find it....
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Tedat
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| Posted: Mon Jan 27, 2014 1:39 pm Post subject: |
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Tedat wrote:
there is one.. together with 2 adapters for FD.. $39 and "Make Offer"... but shipping cost to germany.. 
Click here to see on Ebay
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D1N0
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D1N0 wrote:
Some people are bidding like crazy on this lens. It's ok but they must be drunk.
https://www.catawiki.nl/l/46852259-beroflex-500mm-f8
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blotafton
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blotafton wrote:
Haha that is crazy! I should sell mine to sponsor some Zeiss glass.
The image quality is a bit worse than my EF 70-300mm f/4-5.6 at 300mm and cropped to the same size.
But for small prints or web uploads it's good. |
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Alsatian2017 wrote:
Furthermore, most if not all samples suffer from separation of the last two elements which tends to reduce the contrast and even might, in more severe cases, destroy the sharpness...  |
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Phalbert
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Phalbert wrote:
Biotafton, I have the yashica 500 f 8 not ML and the beroflex, the beroflex is much better. Apparently the later Yashica ML is better than the non ML. The ML is believed by some to be a Zeiss copy (or the other way around... )
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Pancolart wrote:
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Furthermore, most if not all samples suffer from separation of the last two elements which tends to reduce the contrast and even might, in more severe cases, destroy the sharpness... |
Not separation, it is element degradation, since not proper glass. If lens is healthy it does deliver favourable results. I doubt the bidding was "normal" since 2 bidders. Might be a case of shill bidding.
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calvin83 wrote:
Most of the time I see this goes for $20 to $40. It could be shill bidding if there is only two bidder as it goes more than 6x the normal price. 
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| Posted: Tue Apr 06, 2021 7:50 pm Post subject: |
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blotafton wrote:
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| Biotafton, I have the yashica 500 f 8 not ML and the beroflex, the beroflex is much better. Apparently the later Yashica ML is better than the non ML. The ML is believed by some to be a Zeiss copy (or the other way around... ) |
Those are mirror lenses right? I had the chance to buy one at a market but didn't, good choice it seems. I don't remember what version it was. |
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Phalbert
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Phalbert wrote:
Yes. Mirror lenses. The one to look for is the tamron, but apparently there are 3 Yashicas and the one to look for is badged ML.
Here you go:
https://yashica.boards.net/thread/371/pre-ml-yashica-500mm-question
One alleges the ML is the best 500/8 ever...
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benadamx wrote:
imho the improved focusing technology in the canon reflex 500/8 raises it above the others, the sharpness of the ML or rubinars isn't much use if you can't nail it.. i have the yashica c/y 500/8 pre-ML, it's certainly very good, but the canon is just so much easier to use, especially handheld |
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Phalbert
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Phalbert wrote:
We are straying away from the beroflex but please allow me this one. Benadamx, what makes the canon easier to focus than the other mirrors ?
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