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Keysersoze27
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Posted: Tue Jan 17, 2012 3:22 pm Post subject: |
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Keysersoze27 wrote:
Nesster wrote: |
FluffPuppy wrote: |
I have been saying the Leicaflex lens was better by far than the Nikkor of this era, but you would not believe me. Well, here's the proof. |
Though these are the rangefinder Leica lenses |
Nesster,
Will you by any chance have also the Feb. 1999 issue of Popular Photography that contains the infamous comparative test: "The Great 50/1.4 Shootout" (p. 66), that includes Contax(C/Y),Canon, Leica, Minolta, Nikon, Pentax, and Schneider lenses _________________ Canon EOS 5D MkII , EOS 50E, Contax RTS, Olympus OM2n, Nikon Z6ii
28mm: Zeiss Distagon 2.8/28 MMJ
35mm: CZ Distagon 2/35 ZE , S-M-C Takumar 3.5/35
40mm: CZJ Tessar T 4.5/40 1Q
50mm: CZ Planar 1.4/50 MMJ,CZ Planar 1.7/50 AEJ+MMJ,Leica Summicron 2/50 v3,S-M-C Takumar 1.4/50,Pentax SMC 1.4/50 K,Pentax SMC 1.8/55 K,Nikkor 1.8/50 ,CZJ Tessar T 3.5/50 1Q , CZ Planar 1.8/50 (QBM),Zuiko 1.4/50, Zuiko 1.8/50, Icarex Tessar 2.8/50, Nikkor 2/50 Ai,Schneider Kreuznach Xenar 2.8/50 Preset, Pentacon Prakticar 2.4/50 MC v1, CZJ Pancolar 1.8/50 Zebra , Rikenon 1.4/50 P
55mm: Fujinon 1.8/55 EBC
58mm: Helios MC 44-3 2/58
85mm: Zeiss Sonnar 2.8/85 AEJ
90mm: Voigtl�nder APO-Lanthar 3.5/90 SLII , Leica Elmarit-R 2.8/90 v2
100~105mm:Zeiss Sonnar 3.5/100 MM, Nikkor 2.5/105 AiS, S-M-C Takumar 2.8/105
135mm: Leica Elmarit R 2.8/135 v2, S-M-C Takumar 3.5/135, CZJ 4/135 Sonnar Exakta leatherette (1963),CZJ 4/135 Triotar
Macro:Leica Macro-Elmarit R 2.8/60, Micro-Nikkor Auto 3.5/55 Compensating type (1964) |
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Nesster
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Posted: Tue Jan 17, 2012 3:27 pm Post subject: |
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Nesster wrote:
Keysersoze27 wrote: |
Nesster,
Will you by any chance have also the Feb. 1999 issue of Popular Photography that contains the infamous comparative test: "The Great 50/1.4 Shootout" (p. 66), that includes Contax(C/Y),Canon, Leica, Minolta, Nikon, Pentax, and Schneider lenses |
I would not... I don't think... _________________ -Jussi
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berraneck
Joined: 24 May 2009 Posts: 972 Location: prague, czech republic
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Posted: Tue Jan 17, 2012 3:31 pm Post subject: |
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berraneck wrote:
Nesster wrote: |
Though these are the rangefinder Leica lenses |
if you look at it propperly, you´ll find that there IS a Summilux compared;)
Keysersoze27 wrote: |
Nesster,
Will you by any chance have also the Feb. 1999 issue of Popular Photography that contains the infamous comparative test: "The Great 50/1.4 Shootout" (p. 66), that includes Contax(C/Y),Canon, Leica, Minolta, Nikon, Pentax, and Schneider lenses |
according to this PR document Zeiss has won the test
http://www.zeiss.com/C12567A8003B8B6F/EmbedTitelIntern/CLN11e/$File/cln11e.pdf _________________ equipment doesn´t count, good photographs do |
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FluffPuppy
Joined: 11 Dec 2011 Posts: 365
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Posted: Tue Jan 17, 2012 3:32 pm Post subject: |
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FluffPuppy wrote:
Nesster wrote: |
Keysersoze27 wrote: |
Nesster,
Will you by any chance have also the Feb. 1999 issue of Popular Photography that contains the infamous comparative test: "The Great 50/1.4 Shootout" (p. 66), that includes Contax(C/Y),Canon, Leica, Minolta, Nikon, Pentax, and Schneider lenses |
I would not... I don't think... |
Yeah, a lot of these (the ones tested in 1977) are of lesser interest than the ones you mention (tested in 1999). And why didn't they test the Zeiss Contarex lenses in 1977? Why Konica? You cannot be serious!
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Keysersoze27
Joined: 19 Feb 2009 Posts: 466 Location: Greece
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Posted: Tue Jan 17, 2012 3:32 pm Post subject: |
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Keysersoze27 wrote:
I just asked since it's imposible to find any info about it...(except for the final top3 )
Thanks for the 1977 scans ... I have read them 3 years ago !!!! _________________ Canon EOS 5D MkII , EOS 50E, Contax RTS, Olympus OM2n, Nikon Z6ii
28mm: Zeiss Distagon 2.8/28 MMJ
35mm: CZ Distagon 2/35 ZE , S-M-C Takumar 3.5/35
40mm: CZJ Tessar T 4.5/40 1Q
50mm: CZ Planar 1.4/50 MMJ,CZ Planar 1.7/50 AEJ+MMJ,Leica Summicron 2/50 v3,S-M-C Takumar 1.4/50,Pentax SMC 1.4/50 K,Pentax SMC 1.8/55 K,Nikkor 1.8/50 ,CZJ Tessar T 3.5/50 1Q , CZ Planar 1.8/50 (QBM),Zuiko 1.4/50, Zuiko 1.8/50, Icarex Tessar 2.8/50, Nikkor 2/50 Ai,Schneider Kreuznach Xenar 2.8/50 Preset, Pentacon Prakticar 2.4/50 MC v1, CZJ Pancolar 1.8/50 Zebra , Rikenon 1.4/50 P
55mm: Fujinon 1.8/55 EBC
58mm: Helios MC 44-3 2/58
85mm: Zeiss Sonnar 2.8/85 AEJ
90mm: Voigtl�nder APO-Lanthar 3.5/90 SLII , Leica Elmarit-R 2.8/90 v2
100~105mm:Zeiss Sonnar 3.5/100 MM, Nikkor 2.5/105 AiS, S-M-C Takumar 2.8/105
135mm: Leica Elmarit R 2.8/135 v2, S-M-C Takumar 3.5/135, CZJ 4/135 Sonnar Exakta leatherette (1963),CZJ 4/135 Triotar
Macro:Leica Macro-Elmarit R 2.8/60, Micro-Nikkor Auto 3.5/55 Compensating type (1964) |
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Keysersoze27
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Posted: Tue Jan 17, 2012 3:36 pm Post subject: |
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Keysersoze27 wrote:
Yes the top 3 was :
1) Contax Planar
2)Canon EF
3)Summilux-R _________________ Canon EOS 5D MkII , EOS 50E, Contax RTS, Olympus OM2n, Nikon Z6ii
28mm: Zeiss Distagon 2.8/28 MMJ
35mm: CZ Distagon 2/35 ZE , S-M-C Takumar 3.5/35
40mm: CZJ Tessar T 4.5/40 1Q
50mm: CZ Planar 1.4/50 MMJ,CZ Planar 1.7/50 AEJ+MMJ,Leica Summicron 2/50 v3,S-M-C Takumar 1.4/50,Pentax SMC 1.4/50 K,Pentax SMC 1.8/55 K,Nikkor 1.8/50 ,CZJ Tessar T 3.5/50 1Q , CZ Planar 1.8/50 (QBM),Zuiko 1.4/50, Zuiko 1.8/50, Icarex Tessar 2.8/50, Nikkor 2/50 Ai,Schneider Kreuznach Xenar 2.8/50 Preset, Pentacon Prakticar 2.4/50 MC v1, CZJ Pancolar 1.8/50 Zebra , Rikenon 1.4/50 P
55mm: Fujinon 1.8/55 EBC
58mm: Helios MC 44-3 2/58
85mm: Zeiss Sonnar 2.8/85 AEJ
90mm: Voigtl�nder APO-Lanthar 3.5/90 SLII , Leica Elmarit-R 2.8/90 v2
100~105mm:Zeiss Sonnar 3.5/100 MM, Nikkor 2.5/105 AiS, S-M-C Takumar 2.8/105
135mm: Leica Elmarit R 2.8/135 v2, S-M-C Takumar 3.5/135, CZJ 4/135 Sonnar Exakta leatherette (1963),CZJ 4/135 Triotar
Macro:Leica Macro-Elmarit R 2.8/60, Micro-Nikkor Auto 3.5/55 Compensating type (1964) |
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FluffPuppy
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Posted: Tue Jan 17, 2012 4:04 pm Post subject: |
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FluffPuppy wrote:
Keysersoze27 wrote: |
Yes the top 3 was :
1) Contax Planar
2)Canon EF
3)Summilux-R |
Then in 1998, Leica introduced a second-generation 50mm Summilux-R which is better still. Maybe I'll get one some day. LOL
If the old one (the one I own) came in third in 1999, at 30 years of age, against much more recent designs, it's still pretty good! |
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Keysersoze27
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Posted: Tue Jan 17, 2012 4:13 pm Post subject: |
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Keysersoze27 wrote:
FluffPuppy wrote: |
Keysersoze27 wrote: |
Yes the top 3 was :
1) Contax Planar
2)Canon EF
3)Summilux-R |
Then in 1998, Leica introduced a second-generation 50mm Summilux-R which is better still. Maybe I'll get one some day. LOL
If the old one (the one I own) came in third in 1999, at 30 years of age, against much more recent designs, it's still pretty good! |
They apparently tested the v1 Lux but it's not 100% confirmed ....
The C/Y Planar that came no1 is an early 70s design too so....
Good luck getting the E60 ... the price will get even higher in the future..... _________________ Canon EOS 5D MkII , EOS 50E, Contax RTS, Olympus OM2n, Nikon Z6ii
28mm: Zeiss Distagon 2.8/28 MMJ
35mm: CZ Distagon 2/35 ZE , S-M-C Takumar 3.5/35
40mm: CZJ Tessar T 4.5/40 1Q
50mm: CZ Planar 1.4/50 MMJ,CZ Planar 1.7/50 AEJ+MMJ,Leica Summicron 2/50 v3,S-M-C Takumar 1.4/50,Pentax SMC 1.4/50 K,Pentax SMC 1.8/55 K,Nikkor 1.8/50 ,CZJ Tessar T 3.5/50 1Q , CZ Planar 1.8/50 (QBM),Zuiko 1.4/50, Zuiko 1.8/50, Icarex Tessar 2.8/50, Nikkor 2/50 Ai,Schneider Kreuznach Xenar 2.8/50 Preset, Pentacon Prakticar 2.4/50 MC v1, CZJ Pancolar 1.8/50 Zebra , Rikenon 1.4/50 P
55mm: Fujinon 1.8/55 EBC
58mm: Helios MC 44-3 2/58
85mm: Zeiss Sonnar 2.8/85 AEJ
90mm: Voigtl�nder APO-Lanthar 3.5/90 SLII , Leica Elmarit-R 2.8/90 v2
100~105mm:Zeiss Sonnar 3.5/100 MM, Nikkor 2.5/105 AiS, S-M-C Takumar 2.8/105
135mm: Leica Elmarit R 2.8/135 v2, S-M-C Takumar 3.5/135, CZJ 4/135 Sonnar Exakta leatherette (1963),CZJ 4/135 Triotar
Macro:Leica Macro-Elmarit R 2.8/60, Micro-Nikkor Auto 3.5/55 Compensating type (1964) |
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Excalibur
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Posted: Tue Jan 17, 2012 4:29 pm Post subject: |
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Excalibur wrote:
FluffPuppy wrote: |
Nesster wrote: |
FluffPuppy wrote: |
I have been saying the Leicaflex lens was better by far than the Nikkor of this era, but you would not believe me. Well, here's the proof. |
Though these are the rangefinder Leica lenses |
Ooops! Well I'm sure the Leicaflex Summilux-R lens would rank at the top too. It seems odd that they didn't test it. But you will note how poorly the Nikkor did in these tests. It seems only the Takumar was worse.
It would have been nice to see the Zeiss Contax lenses tested. And why bother with Konica? You can't be serious! They were already irrelevant by 1977. |
On my tests recently, there wasn't much difference between the Hexanon 50mm f1.7 and a Canon FDn 50mm f1.4 in crops....erm are you going to say "why bother with Canon" as well _________________ Canon A1, AV1, T70 & T90, EOS 300 and EOS300v, Chinon CE and CP-7M. Contax 139, Fuji STX-2, Konica Autoreflex TC, FS-1, FT-1, Minolta X-700, X-300, XD-11, SRT101b, Nikon EM, FM, F4, F90X, Olympus OM2, Pentax S3, Spotmatic, Pentax ME super, Praktica TL 5B, & BC1, , Ricoh KR10super, Yashica T5D, Bronica Etrs, Mamiya RB67 pro AND drum roll:- a Sony Nex 3
.........past gear Tele Rolleiflex and Rollei SL66.
Many lenses from good to excellent. |
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FluffPuppy
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Posted: Tue Jan 17, 2012 5:16 pm Post subject: |
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FluffPuppy wrote:
Excalibur wrote: |
FluffPuppy wrote: |
Nesster wrote: |
FluffPuppy wrote: |
I have been saying the Leicaflex lens was better by far than the Nikkor of this era, but you would not believe me. Well, here's the proof. |
Though these are the rangefinder Leica lenses |
Ooops! Well I'm sure the Leicaflex Summilux-R lens would rank at the top too. It seems odd that they didn't test it. But you will note how poorly the Nikkor did in these tests. It seems only the Takumar was worse.
It would have been nice to see the Zeiss Contax lenses tested. And why bother with Konica? You can't be serious! They were already irrelevant by 1977. |
On my tests recently, there wasn't much difference between the Hexanon 50mm f1.7 and a Canon FDn 50mm f1.4 in crops....erm are you going to say "why bother with Canon" as well |
No, I mean Konica cameras were on the way out at that time. Not a major player. Canon and Minolta were ascendant, Konica was fading fast.
I am surprised how poorly the f/1.4 Takumar did. It was even worse than the Nikkor! Very strange!
But I think you will all agree now that my criticisms of the Nikkor 50s are borne out by the tests.
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AR-mount SLRs
Konica's second series of SLR cameras began with 1965's Auto-Reflex. This line came to an end in 1987 when Konica abandoned the SLR market.
Konica Auto-Reflex (1965–1968) Known as the Autorex in Japan.
Konica Auto-Reflex P (1966–1968) Known as the Autorex P in Japan.
Konica Autoreflex T (1968–1970)
Konica Autoreflex A (1968–1971)
Konica Autoreflex T2 (1970–1973)
Konica Autoreflex A2 (1971–1972)
Konica Autoreflex A1000 (1972–1973)
Konica Autoreflex T3 (1973–1975)
Konica Autoreflex A3 (1973-?)
Konica Autoreflex T3N (1975–1978)
Konica Autoreflex TC (1976–1982)
Konica Autoreflex T4 (1978–1979)
Konica FS-1 (1979–1983)
Konica FC-1 (1980–1983)
Konica FP-1 (1981–1983)
Konica FT-1 (1983–1987)
Konica TC-X (1985–1987) Built by Cosina. |
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ramiller500
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Posted: Tue Jan 17, 2012 5:35 pm Post subject: |
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ramiller500 wrote:
A good photographer could take excellent pictures with all these lenses and many others. The differences would matter in very few situations. _________________ Sincerely,
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Nesster
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Posted: Tue Jan 17, 2012 5:59 pm Post subject: |
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Nesster wrote:
The Pentaxes were the K's, not the Takumars. In '77 it is true Konica was starting to run out of steam; but they were still considered strong on the back of their auto exposure innovation.
The article makes the point that they were limiting their tests to makes/mounts that had all 4 types represented, just to narrow things down a bit. Interestingly Vivitar made that list. _________________ -Jussi
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Keysersoze27
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Posted: Tue Jan 17, 2012 6:56 pm Post subject: |
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Keysersoze27 wrote:
FluffPuppy wrote: |
I am surprised how poorly the f/1.4 Takumar did. It was even worse than the Nikkor! Very strange!
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How exactly did you concluded that the K50 is worst than the Nikkor 50 in this test????? _________________ Canon EOS 5D MkII , EOS 50E, Contax RTS, Olympus OM2n, Nikon Z6ii
28mm: Zeiss Distagon 2.8/28 MMJ
35mm: CZ Distagon 2/35 ZE , S-M-C Takumar 3.5/35
40mm: CZJ Tessar T 4.5/40 1Q
50mm: CZ Planar 1.4/50 MMJ,CZ Planar 1.7/50 AEJ+MMJ,Leica Summicron 2/50 v3,S-M-C Takumar 1.4/50,Pentax SMC 1.4/50 K,Pentax SMC 1.8/55 K,Nikkor 1.8/50 ,CZJ Tessar T 3.5/50 1Q , CZ Planar 1.8/50 (QBM),Zuiko 1.4/50, Zuiko 1.8/50, Icarex Tessar 2.8/50, Nikkor 2/50 Ai,Schneider Kreuznach Xenar 2.8/50 Preset, Pentacon Prakticar 2.4/50 MC v1, CZJ Pancolar 1.8/50 Zebra , Rikenon 1.4/50 P
55mm: Fujinon 1.8/55 EBC
58mm: Helios MC 44-3 2/58
85mm: Zeiss Sonnar 2.8/85 AEJ
90mm: Voigtl�nder APO-Lanthar 3.5/90 SLII , Leica Elmarit-R 2.8/90 v2
100~105mm:Zeiss Sonnar 3.5/100 MM, Nikkor 2.5/105 AiS, S-M-C Takumar 2.8/105
135mm: Leica Elmarit R 2.8/135 v2, S-M-C Takumar 3.5/135, CZJ 4/135 Sonnar Exakta leatherette (1963),CZJ 4/135 Triotar
Macro:Leica Macro-Elmarit R 2.8/60, Micro-Nikkor Auto 3.5/55 Compensating type (1964) |
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FluffPuppy
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Posted: Tue Jan 17, 2012 7:46 pm Post subject: |
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FluffPuppy wrote:
Keysersoze27 wrote: |
FluffPuppy wrote: |
I am surprised how poorly the f/1.4 Takumar did. It was even worse than the Nikkor! Very strange!
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How exactly did you concluded that the K50 is worst than the Nikkor 50 in this test????? |
Don't you know how to read the test? |
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Keysersoze27
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Posted: Tue Jan 17, 2012 8:10 pm Post subject: |
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Keysersoze27 wrote:
FluffPuppy wrote: |
Keysersoze27 wrote: |
FluffPuppy wrote: |
I am surprised how poorly the f/1.4 Takumar did. It was even worse than the Nikkor! Very strange!
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How exactly did you concluded that the K50 is worst than the Nikkor 50 in this test????? |
Don't you know how to read the test? |
Keyboard jockey at it's finest .... _________________ Canon EOS 5D MkII , EOS 50E, Contax RTS, Olympus OM2n, Nikon Z6ii
28mm: Zeiss Distagon 2.8/28 MMJ
35mm: CZ Distagon 2/35 ZE , S-M-C Takumar 3.5/35
40mm: CZJ Tessar T 4.5/40 1Q
50mm: CZ Planar 1.4/50 MMJ,CZ Planar 1.7/50 AEJ+MMJ,Leica Summicron 2/50 v3,S-M-C Takumar 1.4/50,Pentax SMC 1.4/50 K,Pentax SMC 1.8/55 K,Nikkor 1.8/50 ,CZJ Tessar T 3.5/50 1Q , CZ Planar 1.8/50 (QBM),Zuiko 1.4/50, Zuiko 1.8/50, Icarex Tessar 2.8/50, Nikkor 2/50 Ai,Schneider Kreuznach Xenar 2.8/50 Preset, Pentacon Prakticar 2.4/50 MC v1, CZJ Pancolar 1.8/50 Zebra , Rikenon 1.4/50 P
55mm: Fujinon 1.8/55 EBC
58mm: Helios MC 44-3 2/58
85mm: Zeiss Sonnar 2.8/85 AEJ
90mm: Voigtl�nder APO-Lanthar 3.5/90 SLII , Leica Elmarit-R 2.8/90 v2
100~105mm:Zeiss Sonnar 3.5/100 MM, Nikkor 2.5/105 AiS, S-M-C Takumar 2.8/105
135mm: Leica Elmarit R 2.8/135 v2, S-M-C Takumar 3.5/135, CZJ 4/135 Sonnar Exakta leatherette (1963),CZJ 4/135 Triotar
Macro:Leica Macro-Elmarit R 2.8/60, Micro-Nikkor Auto 3.5/55 Compensating type (1964) |
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FluffPuppy
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Posted: Tue Jan 17, 2012 8:38 pm Post subject: |
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FluffPuppy wrote:
Keysersoze27 wrote: |
FluffPuppy wrote: |
Keysersoze27 wrote: |
FluffPuppy wrote: |
I am surprised how poorly the f/1.4 Takumar did. It was even worse than the Nikkor! Very strange!
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How exactly did you concluded that the K50 is worst than the Nikkor 50 in this test????? |
Don't you know how to read the test? |
Keyboard jockey at it's finest .... |
The 'critical aperture' is the key. The lower that number, the better. |
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