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Helios
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Helios wrote:
Hmmm .... I don't know how to determine if this lens is a true apochromat . I didn't test it since a while because the diaph is one more time stuck.... It is an automatic diaph M42 lens without manual facility .There is time to time some copies on ebay , by Grizzly33bear's , at a fair decent price (130 €) .
A must have ? May be, not sure ...  |
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martinsmith99
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| Posted: Fri May 22, 2009 8:52 am Post subject: |
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martinsmith99 wrote:
I have 4 135mm primes:
CZJ MS Sonnar - Sharp, good bokeh and easy to focus
Pentacon and Meyer `bokeh monster' presets - apart from the name I cannot tell any difference. I like the handling and extra speed, but I have a lot of trouble getting in-focus shots and often find I stopdown quite a bit
S-M-C Takumar - Still not tried this lens. Probably the best handling of all
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mrQQ
Joined: 20 May 2009
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| Posted: Fri May 22, 2009 9:29 am Post subject: |
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| Shrek wrote: |
| Just to clear things up, the Pentacon 135/2.8 preset with 15 blades is available in about 5 different versions, not just zebra. I have had two black ones, one with green writing, one with red. Both absolutely excellent. |
is it safe to say that there is no apparent perceptable difference in IQ between the 15 blade Pentacons? And I shouldnt bother trying to find "bestest" one? 
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I also have the newer 6-bladed version (named Pentacon Auto or Pentacon Electric 135/2. . This is also an excellent lens, even sharper than the pre-set one, but doesn't have the really smooth out of focus bokeh like the pre-set version. |
What does "pre-set" mean?
Yes, thats the thread I found
Thanks for the info! |
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mrQQ
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| Posted: Fri May 22, 2009 9:30 am Post subject: |
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mrQQ wrote:
| Klarth wrote: |
Well... My favorite is Tair 133mm 2.8.
Beats the Pentacon in every way. I have them both but unfortunely i don't have any samples at hand. Tomorrow i'll go outside with this lens and hope to post some samples. |
How does Tair Bokeh compare to Pentacons? My main interest is silky smooth bokeh.. |
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Mal1905
Joined: 30 Oct 2008
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Location: Dublin, Ireland
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| Posted: Fri May 22, 2009 9:53 am Post subject: |
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Mal1905 wrote:
| mrQQ wrote: |
| How does Tair Bokeh compare to Pentacons? My main interest is silky smooth bokeh.. |
Shots 2 & 3 in this thread should give you an idea of the bokeh
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Carl Zeiss: Distagon 2/28 T*, 1.4/35 T*, Ultron 1.8/50, Tessar 2.8/50, Planar 1.4/50 T* MM, 1.7/50 T* MM, 1.4/85 T* AEG, Sonnar 2.8/135 T*
Asahi Optical Co.: Super-Multi-Coated Takumar 4.5/20, 3.5/24, 3.5/28, 2/35, 3.5/35, 1.4/50, 1.8/55, 1.8/85, 2.8/105, 2.8/120, 2.5/135 I & II, 3.5/135, 4/150, 4/200, 4/300, 5.6/400, 4/45-125, 4.5/85-210, Super-Takumar 4.5/20, 3.5/24, 3.5/28, 2/35, 3.5/35, 1.4/50, 1.8/55, 2/55, 2.8/105, 3.5/135, 4/150, 4/200, 4.5/70-150, Fish-Eye-Takumar 4/17, Macro-Takumar 4/50, Super-Macro Takumar 4/50, Super-Multi-Coated Macro-Takumar 4/50, 4/100, Bellows-Takumar 4/100, Asahi-Kogaku Takumar 3.5/50, 2.4/58, 3.5/100, Asahi-Kogaku Tele-Takumar 3.5/135, Auto-Takumar 2.3/35, 3.5/35, 1.8/55, 1.8/55 (Zebra), 2/55, 2.2/55, 1.8/85, 2.8/105, 3.5/135, Takumar 4/35, 2.2/55, 2/58, 2.8/105, 3.5/135, 3.5/200, 5.6/200, Tele-Takumar 5.6/200, 6.3/300, SMC Takumar 1.4/50, 1.8/55, 2/55, SMC-M 1.4/50, 1.7/50, 2/50
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ManualFocus-G
Joined: 29 Dec 2008
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Location: United Kingdom
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| Posted: Fri May 22, 2009 10:19 am Post subject: |
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ManualFocus-G wrote:
| mrQQ wrote: |
| is it safe to say that there is no apparent perceptable difference in IQ between the 15 blade Pentacons? And I shouldnt bother trying to find "bestest" one? |
Attila will tell you the zebra (silver and black) version is best, although I've never tried it.
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| What does "pre-set" mean? |
Rather than one aperture ring, there are two. The first allows you to select the desired aperture, rotating the second ring one way will set the lens wide open for easy focusing, when you are focused you can rotate the ring back again to match the aperture set in the first (preset) ring.
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Here's a few shots taken with my preset Pentacon 135:
And here's a few taken with my 6 blade Pentacon 135 electric:
They're all good IMO, but get the preset one if you want the best bokeh
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mrQQ
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| Posted: Fri May 22, 2009 11:24 am Post subject: |
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mrQQ wrote:
awesome shots!
do you guys know of any good sellers on ebay? usually shipment to Lithuania is very expensive, so I dont want to risk getting a faulty lense, since I have no skills whatsoever to repair one.. |
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mrQQ
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| Posted: Fri May 22, 2009 11:41 am Post subject: |
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mrQQ wrote:
does this look like a good offer for Tair-11A? |
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ManualFocus-G
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| Posted: Fri May 22, 2009 11:57 am Post subject: |
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ManualFocus-G wrote:
| mrQQ wrote: |
awesome shots!
do you guys know of any good sellers on ebay? usually shipment to Lithuania is very expensive, so I dont want to risk getting a faulty lense, since I have no skills whatsoever to repair one.. |
OK, I totally forgot that I have a spare pre-set version in very nice looking condition! PM me if interested, the focusing a touch tougher compared to my other one but it's very usable.
It looks like this one with the red lettering:
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no-X
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Location: Budejky, Czech Republic
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| Posted: Fri May 22, 2009 1:35 pm Post subject: |
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no-X wrote:
| mrQQ wrote: |
| does this look like a good offer for Tair-11A? |
I could find a cheaper one for you... but in standard M42 version. If you are interested, send me a private message.
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mrQQ
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| Posted: Fri May 22, 2009 1:49 pm Post subject: |
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mrQQ wrote:
Sent PM to both of you |
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Swappo
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Location: Sweden
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| Posted: Fri May 22, 2009 2:20 pm Post subject: |
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Swappo wrote:
All this hype for 135mm lenses... I can't understand really.
So I've bought myself a 135mm to see what so special about that focal length, a Carl Zeiss Jena 135mm f3,5.
Bought it pretty cheap from Swedish auction site.
Will pick it up today and hopefully I will see. |
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estudleon
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| Posted: Fri May 22, 2009 2:22 pm Post subject: |
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estudleon wrote:
| Helios wrote: |
Hmmm .... I don't know how to determine if this lens is a true apochromat . I didn't test it since a while because the diaph is one more time stuck.... It is an automatic diaph M42 lens without manual facility .There is time to time some copies on ebay , by Grizzly33bear's , at a fair decent price (130 €) .
A must have ? May be, not sure ... |
Thank you, Helios, very much.
Rino.
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CZJ: 4/20, 2,4/35, 1,8/50 aus jena, 3,5/135MC, Pentacon 1,8/50
Pentax S-M-C-1,4/50
Helios 44-3
Mamiya 2,8/135
Misc. : jupiter 9
Stuff used:
A) SRL
Alpa 10 D - kern macro Switar 1,9/50 -black, Kilffit apochromat 2/100.
Asahi pentax spotmatic super takumar 1,4/50
Contaflex super B tessar 2,8/50 Pro-tessar 115
Leica R3 electronic summicron 2/50 elmarit 2,8/35
Konica Autoreflex 3 (2 black and chrome one), TC, T4. 2,8/24, 3,5/28 not MC and MC, 1,8/40, 1,4/50, 1,7/50 MC and not MC, 1,8/85, 3,2/135, 3,5/135, 4/200
Minolta XG9 2,8/35, 2/45, 3,5/135
Nikkormat FTn 1,4/50, 2,8/135
Fujica ST 801, 605, 705n. 3,5/19, 1,4/50, 1,8/55, 4/85, 3,5/135.
Praktica MTL 5 and a lot of M42 lenses.
Voigtlander. Bessamatic m, bessamatix de luxe, bessamatic cs, ultramatic and ultramatic cs.
Skoparex 3,5/35, skopagon 2/40, skopar 2,8/50, skopar X 2,8/50, super lanthar (out of catalogue) 2,8/50, dinarex 3,4/90, dinarex 4,8/100, super dinarex 4/135, super dinarex 4/200, zoomar 2,8/36-83, portrait lens 0, 1 and 2. Curtagon 4/28 and 2,8/35
Canon AV1, 1,8/50
Rolleiflex SL35 and SL35 E. 2,8/35 angulon, 2,8/35 distagon, 1,4/55 rolleinar, 1,8/50 planar, 4/135 tessar, 2,8/135 rolleinar, x2 rollei, M42 to rollei adap.
Etc.
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Yashica Minister III
Voightlander Vito, vitomatic I, Vito C, etc.
Leica M. M2, M3 (d.s.) and M4. Schenider 3,4/21, 2/35 summaron 2,8/35 (with eyes). Summicron 2/35 (8 elements with eyes), 2/35 chrome, 2/35 black, 1,4/35 pre asph and aspheric - old -, 2/40 summicron, 2,8/50 elmar, 2/50 7 elements, 2/50 DR, 2/50 - minolta version, 1,4/50 summilux 1966 version, 1,4/75 summilux, 2/90 large version, 2/90 reduced version of 1987, 2,8/90 elmarit large version, 4/135 elmar. |
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