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Zeeke
Joined: 17 Apr 2010 Posts: 174 Location: Sweden
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Posted: Wed Feb 18, 2015 8:29 pm Post subject: Warm and Cold PENTAX lenses |
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Zeeke wrote:
Hello I am an Canon jpg shooter and I like Pentax lenses but on Canon it's only the 50mm f1.4 (Takumar,M) of the lenses I have tried that have given me the warm colors I like.The 55,100,75-150 and 35-70 f2.8 ar all could.
So my question is if there are other PENTAX lenses that are warm like the M 50mm f1.4 _________________ Pentax Ks1
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luisalegria
Joined: 07 Mar 2008 Posts: 6602 Location: San Francisco, USA
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Posted: Wed Feb 18, 2015 8:59 pm Post subject: |
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luisalegria wrote:
If you are talking about PK mount lenses, then you would be getting mostly neutral effects, i.e., not warm at all.
The Pentax 24mm is quite neutral.
The old Super, SMC and other versions of the old screwmount (M42) Takumar can be very warm indeed because of radiation discoloring the rear element. But this is not true of the rest of the M42 Takumars.
Very warm effects of a more natural sort are common with the old Komura lenses. Most of them are quite warm, "golden" rendering.
I highly recommend the 135/3.5 _________________ I like Pentax DSLR's, Exaktas, M42 bodies of all kinds, strange and cheap Japanese lenses, and am dabbling in medium format/Speed Graphic work. |
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tromboads
Joined: 29 May 2012 Posts: 1655 Location: Melbourne AU
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Posted: Wed Feb 18, 2015 11:05 pm Post subject: |
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tromboads wrote:
Exactly what he said.
the "warmness" is the coating deteriorating
Having said that, Auto White balance does a good job at a) getting rid of the yellow when I use old Taks, and b) replicating the yellow |
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Lloydy
Joined: 02 Sep 2009 Posts: 7794 Location: Ironbridge. UK.
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Posted: Wed Feb 18, 2015 11:56 pm Post subject: |
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Lloydy wrote:
I find that my Minolta Rokkor lenses are far warmer than the Takumars, and I like both. If you like bright reds then the old Pentacon 30 / 3.5 has to be a favourite. _________________ LENSES & CAMERAS FOR SALE.....
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Zeeke
Joined: 17 Apr 2010 Posts: 174 Location: Sweden
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Posted: Thu Feb 19, 2015 1:22 am Post subject: |
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Zeeke wrote:
What I'm saying is that the Pentax M,A,Fa 50mm.f1.4 gives warmer pictures than for example M 50mm f1,7 or K55mm.f1,8 it's seems to be the same way with all models of the Pentax 50mm f1,4 and there for I think it's maybe something in the design of the lens and not the coating this time.
It's the same way with C/Y Planar 50mm f1.4 vs Rollei planar 50mm f1.8 the Rollei with HTF is gives much warmer and nicer pictures I think...... _________________ Pentax Ks1
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tromboads
Joined: 29 May 2012 Posts: 1655 Location: Melbourne AU
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Posted: Thu Feb 19, 2015 2:41 am Post subject: |
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tromboads wrote:
Ah I see, how interesting. I did not find that to the the case with the M/A/k lenses I had. |
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bernhardas
Joined: 01 Jan 2013 Posts: 1432
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Posted: Thu Feb 19, 2015 5:55 am Post subject: |
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bernhardas wrote:
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kds315*
Joined: 12 Mar 2008 Posts: 16657 Location: Weinheim, Germany
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Posted: Thu Feb 19, 2015 9:14 am Post subject: |
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kds315* wrote:
Yep, that woudl have been my comment too. Do a manual WB setting and things shoudl be fine. _________________ Klaus - Admin
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X80QF f3.2/80mm
Hypergon f11/26mm
ELCAN UV f5.6/52mm
Zeiss UV-Planar f4/60mm
Zeiss UV-Planar f2/62mm
Lomo Уфар-12 f2.5/41mm
Lomo Зуфар-2 f4.0/350mm
Lomo ZIKAR-1A f1.2/100mm
Nikon UV Nikkor f4.5/105mm
Zeiss UV-Sonnar f4.3/105mm
CERCO UV-VIS-NIR f1.8/45mm
CERCO UV-VIS-NIR f4.1/94mm
CERCO UV-VIS-NIR f2.8/100mm
Steinheil Quarzobjektiv f1.8/50mm
Pentax Quartz Takumar f3.5/85mm
Carl Zeiss Jena UV-Objektiv f4/60mm
NYE OPTICAL Lyman-Alpha II f1.1/90mm
NYE OPTICAL Lyman-Alpha I f2.8/200mm
COASTAL OPTICS f4/60mm UV-VIS-IR Apo
COASTAL OPTICS f4.5/105mm UV-Micro-Apo
Pentax Ultra-Achromatic Takumar f4.5/85mm
Pentax Ultra-Achromatic Takumar f5.6/300mm
Rodenstock UV-Rodagon f5.6/60mm + 105mm + 150mm
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blende8
Joined: 29 Sep 2007 Posts: 260 Location: Bremen, Germany
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Posted: Thu Feb 19, 2015 9:24 am Post subject: |
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blende8 wrote:
Zeeke wrote: |
What I'm saying is that the Pentax M,A,Fa 50mm.f1.4 gives warmer pictures than for example M 50mm f1,7 or K55mm.f1,8 it's seems to be the same way with all models of the Pentax 50mm f1,4 and there for I think it's maybe something in the design of the lens and not the coating this time.
It's the same way with C/Y Planar 50mm f1.4 vs Rollei planar 50mm f1.8 the Rollei with HTF is gives much warmer and nicer pictures I think...... |
Did you test this in a reproducible setting?
Tripod, stable lighting, manual WB ...
Or is it "just a feeling" ... _________________ Best wishes, Wieland
K-1, K-5IIs
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PhantomLord
Joined: 08 Apr 2013 Posts: 472 Location: Szczecin, Poland
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Posted: Thu Feb 19, 2015 10:14 am Post subject: |
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PhantomLord wrote:
Even if you find several "warm" lenses I bet they wouldn't be equally warm, so results are going to be mixed.
You said that you're Canon JPG shooter so I could recommend installing MagicLantern addon to the firmware. It is possible with it (among many many other features) to adjust white balance in 50 or 100K increments + adjusting Green/Magenta, all with LiveView in real-time, so you could adjust warmness you like for every lens without using standard Canon's WB presets.
Maybe it's a little bit off topic as you've asked about Pentax primes, but I found Tamron 17A 35-70 to deliver beautifully warm colour tones. _________________ Mateusz
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iangreenhalgh1
Joined: 18 Mar 2011 Posts: 15679
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Posted: Thu Feb 19, 2015 10:21 am Post subject: |
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iangreenhalgh1 wrote:
I don't understand why a slightly warmer rendition is important when you can adjust the colours ad infinitum in post. _________________ I don't care who designed it, who made it or what country it comes from - I just enjoy using it! |
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visualopsins
Joined: 05 Mar 2009 Posts: 11027 Location: California
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Posted: Thu Feb 19, 2015 3:38 pm Post subject: |
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visualopsins wrote:
iangreenhalgh1 wrote: |
I don't understand why a slightly warmer rendition is important when you can adjust the colours ad infinitum in post. |
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Cameras: Sony ILCE-7RM2, Spotmatics II, F, and ESII, Nikon P4
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M42 Asahi Optical Co., Takumar 1:4 f=35mm, 1:2 f=58mm (Sonnar), 1:2.4 f=58mm (Heliar), 1:2.2 f=55mm (Gaussian), 1:2.8 f=105mm (Model I), 1:2.8/105 (Model II), 1:5.6/200, Tele-Takumar 1:5.6/200, 1:6.3/300, Macro-Takumar 1:4/50, Auto-Takumar 1:2.3 f=35, 1:1.8 f=55mm, 1:2.2 f=55mm, Super-TAKUMAR 1:3.5/28 (fat), 1:2/35 (Fat), 1:1.4/50 (8-element), Super-Multi-Coated Fisheye-TAKUMAR 1:4/17, Super-Multi-Coated TAKUMAR 1:4.5/20, 1:3.5/24, 1:3.5/28, 1:2/35, 1:3.5/35, 1:1.8/85, 1:1.9/85 1:2.8/105, 1:3.5/135, 1:2.5/135 (II), 1:4/150, 1:4/200, 1:4/300, 1:4.5/500, Super-Multi-Coated Macro-TAKUMAR 1:4/50, 1:4/100, Super-Multi-Coated Bellows-TAKUMAR 1:4/100, SMC TAKUMAR 1:1.4/50, 1:1.8/55
M42 Carl Zeiss Jena Flektogon 2.4/35
Contax Carl Zeiss Vario-Sonnar T* 28-70mm F3.5-4.5
Pentax K-mount SMC PENTAX-A ZOOM 1:3.5 35~105mm, SMC PENTAX ZOOM 1:4 45~125mm
Nikon Micro-NIKKOR-P-C Auto 1:3.5 f=55mm, NIKKOR-P Auto 105mm f/2.5 Pre-AI (Sonnar), Micro-NIKKOR 105mm 1:4 AI, NIKKOR AI-S 35-135mm f/3,5-4,5
Tamron SP 17mm f/3.5 (51B), Tamron SP 17mm f/3.5 (151B), SP 500mm f/8 (55BB), SP 70-210mm f/3.5 (19AH)
Vivitar 100mm 1:2.8 MC 1:1 Macro Telephoto (Kiron)
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luisalegria
Joined: 07 Mar 2008 Posts: 6602 Location: San Francisco, USA
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Posted: Thu Feb 19, 2015 5:25 pm Post subject: |
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luisalegria wrote:
Many color effects are not easily achievable in PP software without a great deal of understanding.
Much easier to take them right off with a lens that gives the desired result.
It would drive me crazy (well, I am always at the edge of insanity, but even so) to try to make a Takumar 135 picture look like a Komura 135 picture. _________________ I like Pentax DSLR's, Exaktas, M42 bodies of all kinds, strange and cheap Japanese lenses, and am dabbling in medium format/Speed Graphic work. |
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