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caspert79
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 Posted: Thu Jun 20, 2024 8:33 am Post subject: Tele-Xenar 135mm f/3.5 vs Nikkor Ai 135mm f/3.5 |
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caspert79 wrote:
An infinity comparison between the two lenses. For the corner shots, the house was focused on in the center, and then placed into the corner, so it gives a reliable idea how the lens performs from corner to corner.
 comparison by devoscasper, on Flickr
The Tele-Xenar shows quite good performance, especially considering its age, but the Nikkor beats it. I tested the Nikkor against the Sonnar 135/4 before, and have to come to the same conclusion: the Nikkor is a very strong performing lens from wide open. Performance doesn't really improve when stopping down, and corners look actually better (saturation) at wider apertures. While all the rave is about the Nikkor Ai(s) 135mm f/2.8, the f/3.5 Ai is the one to get IMO. |
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KEO
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pabeu
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| Posted: Thu Jun 20, 2024 5:25 pm Post subject: |
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pabeu wrote:
Interesting. Thank you.
I you can share a picture how the xenar lens looks would be educative. 🙠|
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caspert79
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caspert79 wrote:
| pabeu wrote: |
Interesting. Thank you.
I you can share a picture how the xenar lens looks would be educative. 🙠|
It’s the one like shown in this article:
https://allphotolenses.com/lenses/item/c_3204.html |
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connloyalist
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| Posted: Fri Jun 21, 2024 8:15 am Post subject: |
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connloyalist wrote:
Question: How did you get the Edixa Schneider to focus to infinity? Do you have a short M42 adapter? (I am assuming you did this on a mirrorless camera).
EDIT: Yes, Sony A7RII
Regards, Christine |
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caspert79
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| Posted: Fri Jun 21, 2024 8:59 am Post subject: |
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caspert79 wrote:
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Question: How did you get the Edixa Schneider to focus to infinity? Do you have a short M42 adapter? (I am assuming you did this on a mirrorless camera).
EDIT: Yes, Sony A7RII
Regards, Christine |
Hi Christine,
I have no issues using a standard K&F M42 adapter. |
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connloyalist
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| Posted: Fri Jun 21, 2024 9:51 am Post subject: |
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Hi Christine,
I have no issues using a standard K&F M42 adapter. |
Interesting. I will have to retest my K&F M42 adapter for this, but in my memory it shows the same problems focusing to infinity with edixa lenses as my Novoflex adapter does. Perhaps crop sensor camera's are more sensitive to this?
Regards, Christine |
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caspert79
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| Posted: Fri Jun 21, 2024 1:56 pm Post subject: |
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caspert79 wrote:
| connloyalist wrote: |
| caspert79 wrote: |
Hi Christine,
I have no issues using a standard K&F M42 adapter. |
Interesting. I will have to retest my K&F M42 adapter for this, but in my memory it shows the same problems focusing to infinity with edixa lenses as my Novoflex adapter does. Perhaps crop sensor camera's are more sensitive to this?
Regards, Christine |
I don't know. Maybe it depends on the generation of the lens? Does yours have any protruding pins on the backside? Mine doesn't and fits perfectly on the adapter. Register distance seems the same as my other M42 lenses. |
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connloyalist
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I don't know. Maybe it depends on the generation of the lens? Does yours have any protruding pins on the backside? Mine doesn't and fits perfectly on the adapter. Register distance seems the same as my other M42 lenses. |
Mine is of the generation of Schneider lenses that I think came after the zebra's. It is all black with two thin chrome rings around the barrel of the lens. Narrow piece of fake leather around the base near the mount. It does have an aperture stop down pin, as well as an A <> M switch. Serial number 10 xxx xxx.
It is a very nice sharp lens, if your subject is closer than infinity. Not by much, mind you. Stopping it down to f/16 or so is enough to just about get infinity sharp
Regards, Christine |
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caspert79
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caspert79 wrote:
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I don't know. Maybe it depends on the generation of the lens? Does yours have any protruding pins on the backside? Mine doesn't and fits perfectly on the adapter. Register distance seems the same as my other M42 lenses. |
Mine is of the generation of Schneider lenses that I think came after the zebra's. It is all black with two thin chrome rings around the barrel of the lens. Narrow piece of fake leather around the base near the mount. It does have an aperture stop down pin, as well as an A <> M switch. Serial number 10 xxx xxx.
It is a very nice sharp lens, if your subject is closer than infinity. Not by much, mind you. Stopping it down to f/16 or so is enough to just about get infinity sharp
Regards, Christine |
Yeah, I did some snapshots at closer by subjects, and it does look nice and sharp. Mechanically it's also very nice, and it has a nice round bokeh. It certainly can be useful. |
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papasito
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papasito wrote:
Did anyone find any difference in rendering among the 4/3 and the 4/4 versions of the Nikkor 135/3,5? |
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caspert79
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| Did anyone find any difference in rendering among the 4/3 and the 4/4 versions of the Nikkor 135/3,5? |
I didn’t but it would be interesting to see. If I happen to find a cheap pre-ai one, I may buy and test it. |
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visualopsins
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visualopsins wrote:
| caspert79 wrote: |
| papasito wrote: |
| Did anyone find any difference in rendering among the 4/3 and the 4/4 versions of the Nikkor 135/3,5? |
I didn’t but it would be interesting to see. If I happen to find a cheap pre-ai one, I may buy and test it. |
I'm interested too!
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