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BrianSVP
Joined: 09 Jun 2023 Posts: 335 Location: Philadelphia
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Posted: Fri Feb 02, 2024 11:58 pm Post subject: Kodak Ektar 47mm f/2 |
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BrianSVP wrote:
So I've had this lens, which was pulled from a broken Kodak Retina II body for a while, intending to adapt it for use on my Panasonic S5 thorugh an adapter stack. After being sent a wrong component from China a while back, I shelved it until recently, when I finally got around to reordering the correct part.
This lens was found on the type 011 Kodak Retina II cameras produced in Germany by Kodak form 1946-1949. The lens is U.S.-made and features Kodak's famed "Lumenized" coatings. It is significantly rarer than the German Schneider Xenon 50/2 more typically seen on this Retina model. There is a still rarer L39 variant that was outfitted to Leica III Clones manufactured by Kardon that they supplied to the U.S. Army Signal Corps. The L39 lenses routinely sell for over $1000!
This particular lens is mounted in a Kodak-badged Compur-Rapid shutter with 10 bladed aperture. In order to adapt it, I had to remove the cocking and trigger levers from the shutter to keep it open and allow it to mount flush against the adapter. I set these aside so I could reassemble the lens to stock later if needed.
The adapter stack I used is as follows:
Pixco L mount to m42 mount thin adapter
10mm Extension Tube
Fotasy 12-19mm focus helicoid
Chinese m25/0.5 to m42 adapter.
This stack focuses slightly past infinity with this lens, which I might try to alleviate at some point with more permanent shimming, after I first use the same stack to try a 50mm Rodenstock Karat Heligon, which has the same size shutter mount.
I took the lens out for a quick stroll through the park today for its first test run. It was a gloomy, sloppy day, and I must say, the lens really seems to like these conditions, doing a great job in the flat lighting. Overall impressions are an excellent-rendering lens with loads of character, rich color reproduction, and great contrast and 3d pop. Corners are soft (indeed positively dreamy wide open,) with quite a bit of field curvature evident, and the center sharpens up significantly between f/2 and f/2.8. Bokeh is quite attractive, with nice vintage character, swirly but not nearly as aggressively busy as Toby Marshall's commonly cited examples, which clearly are incredibly overly tone-mapped, would suggest.
Overall, a very enjoyable lens with which to shoot!
When I get a chance, I'll also throw some extension tubes in between to get some macro/heavy bokeh shots, but in the meantime, here are some forest pics from today:
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visualopsins
Joined: 05 Mar 2009 Posts: 10958 Location: California
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Posted: Sat Feb 03, 2024 1:24 am Post subject: Re: Kodak Ektar 47mm f/2 |
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visualopsins wrote:
BrianSVP wrote: |
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Really nice photo! _________________ ☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮ like attracts like! ☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮
Cameras: Sony ILCE-7RM2, Spotmatics II, F, and ESII, Nikon P4
Lenses:
M42 Asahi Optical Co., Takumar 1:4 f=35mm, 1:2 f=58mm (Sonnar), 1:2.4 f=58mm (Heliar), 1:2.2 f=55mm (Gaussian), 1:2.8 f=105mm (Model I), 1:2.8/105 (Model II), 1:5.6/200, Tele-Takumar 1:5.6/200, 1:6.3/300, Macro-Takumar 1:4/50, Auto-Takumar 1:2.3 f=35, 1:1.8 f=55mm, 1:2.2 f=55mm, Super-TAKUMAR 1:3.5/28 (fat), 1:2/35 (Fat), 1:1.4/50 (8-element), Super-Multi-Coated Fisheye-TAKUMAR 1:4/17, Super-Multi-Coated TAKUMAR 1:4.5/20, 1:3.5/24, 1:3.5/28, 1:2/35, 1:3.5/35, 1:1.8/85, 1:1.9/85 1:2.8/105, 1:3.5/135, 1:2.5/135 (II), 1:4/150, 1:4/200, 1:4/300, 1:4.5/500, Super-Multi-Coated Macro-TAKUMAR 1:4/50, 1:4/100, Super-Multi-Coated Bellows-TAKUMAR 1:4/100, SMC TAKUMAR 1:1.4/50, 1:1.8/55
M42 Carl Zeiss Jena Flektogon 2.4/35
Contax Carl Zeiss Vario-Sonnar T* 28-70mm F3.5-4.5
Pentax K-mount SMC PENTAX-A ZOOM 1:3.5 35~105mm, SMC PENTAX ZOOM 1:4 45~125mm
Nikon Micro-NIKKOR-P-C Auto 1:3.5 f=55mm, NIKKOR-P Auto 105mm f/2.5 Pre-AI (Sonnar), Micro-NIKKOR 105mm 1:4 AI, NIKKOR AI-S 35-135mm f/3,5-4,5
Tamron SP 17mm f/3.5 (51B), Tamron SP 17mm f/3.5 (151B), SP 500mm f/8 (55BB), SP 70-210mm f/3.5 (19AH)
Vivitar 100mm 1:2.8 MC 1:1 Macro Telephoto (Kiron)
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alex_d
Joined: 19 Jan 2019 Posts: 377
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Posted: Sat Feb 03, 2024 1:55 am Post subject: |
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alex_d wrote:
i do like filmic feel that lens gives, unless is not over-edited ..?
i do find the grain outside the center quite remarkable phenomena.
its kind of a bastard child of industar 69 and 50.
colors: i dont like it at all. not natural as it shold follow the lens characteristics
PP or camera setup .. ? |
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BrianSVP
Joined: 09 Jun 2023 Posts: 335 Location: Philadelphia
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Posted: Sat Feb 03, 2024 3:26 am Post subject: |
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BrianSVP wrote:
alex_d wrote: |
i do like filmic feel that lens gives, unless is not over-edited ..?
i do find the grain outside the center quite remarkable phenomena.
its kind of a bastard child of industar 69 and 50.
colors: i dont like it at all. not natural as it shold follow the lens characteristics
PP or camera setup .. ? |
Funny that you don't like the color, as it's exceptionally close to how it appeared in real life, maybe just a bit more saturated. I use a custom calibration profile generated using an X-Rite passport which is very color accurate. |
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calvin83
Joined: 12 Apr 2009 Posts: 7555 Location: Hong Kong
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Posted: Sat Feb 03, 2024 4:24 am Post subject: |
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calvin83 wrote:
It is the best lens for Retina camera at that time! Although it may not be as good as the later Xenon/Heligon, it has great character at close up. _________________ https://lensfever.com/
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The best lens is the one you have with you. |
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alex_d
Joined: 19 Jan 2019 Posts: 377
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Posted: Sat Feb 03, 2024 10:17 am Post subject: |
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alex_d wrote:
ok i have to correct my self as i have checked pics again but now in a normal browser and other display.
not so industar-ish feel any more,
very sharp in the center and strange fall off sharpens that tent to go swirl but it's hessites ..
i do stand by my color comment: this is nowhere near a 'natural look..'
it reminds me on file from a film scanner from 20y ago.
and, imo, this lens does not live happily in this habitat |
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blotafton
Joined: 08 Aug 2013 Posts: 1616 Location: Sweden
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Posted: Sat Feb 03, 2024 11:37 am Post subject: |
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blotafton wrote:
Really nice character and tones! I'd convert one too just need a preferably non working camera |
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BrianSVP
Joined: 09 Jun 2023 Posts: 335 Location: Philadelphia
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Posted: Sat Feb 03, 2024 2:53 pm Post subject: |
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BrianSVP wrote:
I'd argue that you apparently have become so conditioned to looking at highly processed, color "corrected" (scare quotes intentional) photos that you no longer perceive what actually are extremely natural colors as "natural" anymore. This is very much what a gloomy, muddy Pennsylvania day actually looks like. At least on my calibrated, 100% gamut monitor it certainly does. Perhaps you live in the desert where such lighting is uncommon?
I'll take the lens out again when we get some sunshine and see if your opinion changes.
alex_d wrote: |
ok i have to correct my self as i have checked pics again but now in a normal browser and other display.
not so industar-ish feel any more,
very sharp in the center and strange fall off sharpens that tent to go swirl but it's hessites ..
i do stand by my color comment: this is nowhere near a 'natural look..'
it reminds me on file from a film scanner from 20y ago.
and, imo, this lens does not live happily in this habitat |
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visualopsins
Joined: 05 Mar 2009 Posts: 10958 Location: California
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Posted: Sat Feb 03, 2024 5:15 pm Post subject: |
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visualopsins wrote:
BrianSVP wrote: |
I'd argue that you apparently have become so conditioned to looking at highly processed, color "corrected" (scare quotes intentional) photos that you no longer perceive what actually are extremely natural colors as "natural" anymore. This is very much what a gloomy, muddy Pennsylvania day actually looks like. At least on my calibrated, 100% gamut monitor it certainly does. Perhaps you live in the desert where such lighting is uncommon?
I'll take the lens out again when we get some sunshine and see if your opinion changes.
alex_d wrote: |
ok i have to correct my self as i have checked pics again but now in a normal browser and other display.
not so industar-ish feel any more,
very sharp in the center and strange fall off sharpens that tent to go swirl but it's hessites ..
i do stand by my color comment: this is nowhere near a 'natural look..'
it reminds me on file from a film scanner from 20y ago.
and, imo, this lens does not live happily in this habitat |
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funny how us forest dwellers see natural color in the photos... _________________ ☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮ like attracts like! ☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮
Cameras: Sony ILCE-7RM2, Spotmatics II, F, and ESII, Nikon P4
Lenses:
M42 Asahi Optical Co., Takumar 1:4 f=35mm, 1:2 f=58mm (Sonnar), 1:2.4 f=58mm (Heliar), 1:2.2 f=55mm (Gaussian), 1:2.8 f=105mm (Model I), 1:2.8/105 (Model II), 1:5.6/200, Tele-Takumar 1:5.6/200, 1:6.3/300, Macro-Takumar 1:4/50, Auto-Takumar 1:2.3 f=35, 1:1.8 f=55mm, 1:2.2 f=55mm, Super-TAKUMAR 1:3.5/28 (fat), 1:2/35 (Fat), 1:1.4/50 (8-element), Super-Multi-Coated Fisheye-TAKUMAR 1:4/17, Super-Multi-Coated TAKUMAR 1:4.5/20, 1:3.5/24, 1:3.5/28, 1:2/35, 1:3.5/35, 1:1.8/85, 1:1.9/85 1:2.8/105, 1:3.5/135, 1:2.5/135 (II), 1:4/150, 1:4/200, 1:4/300, 1:4.5/500, Super-Multi-Coated Macro-TAKUMAR 1:4/50, 1:4/100, Super-Multi-Coated Bellows-TAKUMAR 1:4/100, SMC TAKUMAR 1:1.4/50, 1:1.8/55
M42 Carl Zeiss Jena Flektogon 2.4/35
Contax Carl Zeiss Vario-Sonnar T* 28-70mm F3.5-4.5
Pentax K-mount SMC PENTAX-A ZOOM 1:3.5 35~105mm, SMC PENTAX ZOOM 1:4 45~125mm
Nikon Micro-NIKKOR-P-C Auto 1:3.5 f=55mm, NIKKOR-P Auto 105mm f/2.5 Pre-AI (Sonnar), Micro-NIKKOR 105mm 1:4 AI, NIKKOR AI-S 35-135mm f/3,5-4,5
Tamron SP 17mm f/3.5 (51B), Tamron SP 17mm f/3.5 (151B), SP 500mm f/8 (55BB), SP 70-210mm f/3.5 (19AH)
Vivitar 100mm 1:2.8 MC 1:1 Macro Telephoto (Kiron)
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alex_d
Joined: 19 Jan 2019 Posts: 377
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Posted: Sun Feb 04, 2024 8:49 pm Post subject: |
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alex_d wrote:
pennsylstan or whatever other ..,
greens are all over the place.
or even beter: greens are jacked up , saturated.
Cant imageine that is lens doing that,
so or it's PP,
or your camera has some add setup
or camera algorythm is doing some weird stuff
or...
make a pics with everything on zero, no-presets / sims and with the balance graycard
and for all forest dwellers: yes, there are forests outside Swisstan too. |
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