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calvin83
Joined: 12 Apr 2009 Posts: 7568 Location: Hong Kong
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Posted: Fri Feb 16, 2018 1:13 pm Post subject: Corfield England APO-Lumar 50mm F3.5 on A7R II Part I |
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calvin83 wrote:
The lens:
This lens is one of the rare lens from Corfield. It is probably one of the earliest post-war enlarger with 'APO' designation although it is only a triplet.
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P.S. The hood I used is a bit too long for this lens and the adapter seems not perfectly aligned. Part II will follow when I get better photos after I fix the two issues. _________________ https://www.instagram.com/_lens_fever/
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Himself
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Posted: Fri Feb 16, 2018 2:27 pm Post subject: |
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Himself wrote:
Looking good so far. I see no CA along the ridges . How about you at 100%?
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calvin83
Joined: 12 Apr 2009 Posts: 7568 Location: Hong Kong
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Posted: Fri Feb 16, 2018 3:08 pm Post subject: |
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calvin83 wrote:
I think it may be too harsh to pixel peep to check the CA for a triplet... I would say the CA is not quiet visible even under harsh condition.
The mount is M39. _________________ https://www.instagram.com/_lens_fever/
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Lightshow
Joined: 04 Nov 2011 Posts: 3666 Location: Calgary
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Posted: Fri Feb 16, 2018 4:21 pm Post subject: |
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Lightshow wrote:
Looks quite good to me. _________________ A Manual Focus Junky...
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kds315*
Joined: 12 Mar 2008 Posts: 16654 Location: Weinheim, Germany
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Posted: Fri Feb 16, 2018 4:23 pm Post subject: |
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kds315* wrote:
wow what a rare lens!
(I honestly doubt that 6 lens surfaces are enough to allow for an apochromatic correction...
but it looks surprisingly well!!) _________________ Klaus - Admin
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X80QF f3.2/80mm
Hypergon f11/26mm
ELCAN UV f5.6/52mm
Zeiss UV-Planar f4/60mm
Zeiss UV-Planar f2/62mm
Lomo Уфар-12 f2.5/41mm
Lomo Зуфар-2 f4.0/350mm
Lomo ZIKAR-1A f1.2/100mm
Nikon UV Nikkor f4.5/105mm
Zeiss UV-Sonnar f4.3/105mm
CERCO UV-VIS-NIR f1.8/45mm
CERCO UV-VIS-NIR f4.1/94mm
CERCO UV-VIS-NIR f2.8/100mm
Steinheil Quarzobjektiv f1.8/50mm
Pentax Quartz Takumar f3.5/85mm
Carl Zeiss Jena UV-Objektiv f4/60mm
NYE OPTICAL Lyman-Alpha II f1.1/90mm
NYE OPTICAL Lyman-Alpha I f2.8/200mm
COASTAL OPTICS f4/60mm UV-VIS-IR Apo
COASTAL OPTICS f4.5/105mm UV-Micro-Apo
Pentax Ultra-Achromatic Takumar f4.5/85mm
Pentax Ultra-Achromatic Takumar f5.6/300mm
Rodenstock UV-Rodagon f5.6/60mm + 105mm + 150mm
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iangreenhalgh1
Joined: 18 Mar 2011 Posts: 15679
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Posted: Fri Feb 16, 2018 9:36 pm Post subject: |
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iangreenhalgh1 wrote:
Actually, the lens may well be apochromatic, or damn close to it, certainly closer than many modern lenses marked APO.
I say this because Voigtlander recalculated their lenses after WW2 to use the then new Lanthanum glass - the Skopar became the Color-Skopar and it is damn close to being apochromatic, they also made triplets with Lanthanum, they had various names such as Color-Lanthar.
This Corfield is made by Enna, and I bet it, like the Voigtlanders, uses a Lanthanum glass element, so it may well, like the Voigtlanders, be close to apochromatic. _________________ I don't care who designed it, who made it or what country it comes from - I just enjoy using it! |
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visualopsins
Joined: 05 Mar 2009 Posts: 11019 Location: California
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Posted: Fri Feb 16, 2018 11:50 pm Post subject: |
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visualopsins wrote:
Zeiss indicates 3 groups is sufficient. http://lenspire.zeiss.com/en/apochromat/ _________________ ☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮ like attracts like! ☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮
Cameras: Sony ILCE-7RM2, Spotmatics II, F, and ESII, Nikon P4
Lenses:
M42 Asahi Optical Co., Takumar 1:4 f=35mm, 1:2 f=58mm (Sonnar), 1:2.4 f=58mm (Heliar), 1:2.2 f=55mm (Gaussian), 1:2.8 f=105mm (Model I), 1:2.8/105 (Model II), 1:5.6/200, Tele-Takumar 1:5.6/200, 1:6.3/300, Macro-Takumar 1:4/50, Auto-Takumar 1:2.3 f=35, 1:1.8 f=55mm, 1:2.2 f=55mm, Super-TAKUMAR 1:3.5/28 (fat), 1:2/35 (Fat), 1:1.4/50 (8-element), Super-Multi-Coated Fisheye-TAKUMAR 1:4/17, Super-Multi-Coated TAKUMAR 1:4.5/20, 1:3.5/24, 1:3.5/28, 1:2/35, 1:3.5/35, 1:1.8/85, 1:1.9/85 1:2.8/105, 1:3.5/135, 1:2.5/135 (II), 1:4/150, 1:4/200, 1:4/300, 1:4.5/500, Super-Multi-Coated Macro-TAKUMAR 1:4/50, 1:4/100, Super-Multi-Coated Bellows-TAKUMAR 1:4/100, SMC TAKUMAR 1:1.4/50, 1:1.8/55
M42 Carl Zeiss Jena Flektogon 2.4/35
Contax Carl Zeiss Vario-Sonnar T* 28-70mm F3.5-4.5
Pentax K-mount SMC PENTAX-A ZOOM 1:3.5 35~105mm, SMC PENTAX ZOOM 1:4 45~125mm
Nikon Micro-NIKKOR-P-C Auto 1:3.5 f=55mm, NIKKOR-P Auto 105mm f/2.5 Pre-AI (Sonnar), Micro-NIKKOR 105mm 1:4 AI, NIKKOR AI-S 35-135mm f/3,5-4,5
Tamron SP 17mm f/3.5 (51B), Tamron SP 17mm f/3.5 (151B), SP 500mm f/8 (55BB), SP 70-210mm f/3.5 (19AH)
Vivitar 100mm 1:2.8 MC 1:1 Macro Telephoto (Kiron)
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iangreenhalgh1
Joined: 18 Mar 2011 Posts: 15679
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Posted: Sat Feb 17, 2018 12:10 am Post subject: |
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iangreenhalgh1 wrote:
Yes, there are a lot of older process lenses that are fully apochromatic but have simple 3 or 4 group designs - most are either 4e/3g Tessar/Xenar/Skopar types or 4e/4g Dialytes. _________________ I don't care who designed it, who made it or what country it comes from - I just enjoy using it! |
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calvin83
Joined: 12 Apr 2009 Posts: 7568 Location: Hong Kong
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Posted: Sat Feb 17, 2018 2:01 am Post subject: |
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calvin83 wrote:
I have tried Color-Lanthar in DKL too. The Color-Lanthar, which is also a triplet, hardly show any CA under back lit or high contrast scene. It is better than this lens for general photography.
Here is the 100% crop as requested. Do you agree it is a APO lens?
100% crop
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iangreenhalgh1
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Posted: Sat Feb 17, 2018 5:41 am Post subject: |
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iangreenhalgh1 wrote:
I'd say it is APO, yes. _________________ I don't care who designed it, who made it or what country it comes from - I just enjoy using it! |
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Gerald
Joined: 25 Mar 2014 Posts: 1196 Location: Brazil
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Posted: Sat Feb 17, 2018 4:49 pm Post subject: |
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Gerald wrote:
In fact it is possible to make an APO lens with just 3 optical surfaces! Some examples here:
http://www.telescope-optics.net/semiapo_and_apo_examples.htm
The problem is that with only 3 optical surfaces it is not possible to properly correct the monochromatic aberrations (spherical, coma and astigmatism) for the apertures and angular coverage of a typical photography lens. _________________ If raindrops were perfect lenses, the rainbow did not exist. |
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calvin83
Joined: 12 Apr 2009 Posts: 7568 Location: Hong Kong
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Posted: Sat Feb 17, 2018 5:07 pm Post subject: |
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calvin83 wrote:
Gerald wrote: |
In fact it is possible to make an APO lens with just 3 optical surfaces! Some examples here:
http://www.telescope-optics.net/semiapo_and_apo_examples.htm
The problem is that with only 3 optical surfaces it is not possible to properly correct the monochromatic aberrations (spherical, coma and astigmatism) for the apertures and angular coverage of a typical photography lens. |
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visualopsins
Joined: 05 Mar 2009 Posts: 11019 Location: California
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Posted: Sat Feb 17, 2018 5:46 pm Post subject: |
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visualopsins wrote:
Gerald wrote: |
In fact it is possible to make an APO lens with just 3 optical surfaces! Some examples here:
http://www.telescope-optics.net/semiapo_and_apo_examples.htm
The problem is that with only 3 optical surfaces it is not possible to properly correct the monochromatic aberrations (spherical, coma and astigmatism) for the apertures and angular coverage of a typical photography lens. |
6 optical surfaces...
I think Dr Schmidt is thinking about IR&UV.
Thanks Gerald for the highly technical reference! _________________ ☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮ like attracts like! ☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮
Cameras: Sony ILCE-7RM2, Spotmatics II, F, and ESII, Nikon P4
Lenses:
M42 Asahi Optical Co., Takumar 1:4 f=35mm, 1:2 f=58mm (Sonnar), 1:2.4 f=58mm (Heliar), 1:2.2 f=55mm (Gaussian), 1:2.8 f=105mm (Model I), 1:2.8/105 (Model II), 1:5.6/200, Tele-Takumar 1:5.6/200, 1:6.3/300, Macro-Takumar 1:4/50, Auto-Takumar 1:2.3 f=35, 1:1.8 f=55mm, 1:2.2 f=55mm, Super-TAKUMAR 1:3.5/28 (fat), 1:2/35 (Fat), 1:1.4/50 (8-element), Super-Multi-Coated Fisheye-TAKUMAR 1:4/17, Super-Multi-Coated TAKUMAR 1:4.5/20, 1:3.5/24, 1:3.5/28, 1:2/35, 1:3.5/35, 1:1.8/85, 1:1.9/85 1:2.8/105, 1:3.5/135, 1:2.5/135 (II), 1:4/150, 1:4/200, 1:4/300, 1:4.5/500, Super-Multi-Coated Macro-TAKUMAR 1:4/50, 1:4/100, Super-Multi-Coated Bellows-TAKUMAR 1:4/100, SMC TAKUMAR 1:1.4/50, 1:1.8/55
M42 Carl Zeiss Jena Flektogon 2.4/35
Contax Carl Zeiss Vario-Sonnar T* 28-70mm F3.5-4.5
Pentax K-mount SMC PENTAX-A ZOOM 1:3.5 35~105mm, SMC PENTAX ZOOM 1:4 45~125mm
Nikon Micro-NIKKOR-P-C Auto 1:3.5 f=55mm, NIKKOR-P Auto 105mm f/2.5 Pre-AI (Sonnar), Micro-NIKKOR 105mm 1:4 AI, NIKKOR AI-S 35-135mm f/3,5-4,5
Tamron SP 17mm f/3.5 (51B), Tamron SP 17mm f/3.5 (151B), SP 500mm f/8 (55BB), SP 70-210mm f/3.5 (19AH)
Vivitar 100mm 1:2.8 MC 1:1 Macro Telephoto (Kiron)
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kds315*
Joined: 12 Mar 2008 Posts: 16654 Location: Weinheim, Germany
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Posted: Sat Feb 17, 2018 10:49 pm Post subject: |
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kds315* wrote:
Yep, that's what I meant of course, an APO which not only corrects CA, but also the other aberrations to make it a suitable photographic lens ... sighh _________________ Klaus - Admin
"S'il vient a point, me souviendra" [Thomas Bohier (1460-1523)]
http://www.macrolenses.de for macro and special lens info
http://www.pbase.com/kds315/uv_photos for UV Images and lens/filter info
https://www.flickr.com/photos/kds315/albums my albums using various lenses
http://photographyoftheinvisibleworld.blogspot.com/ my UV BLOG
http://www.travelmeetsfood.com/blog Food + Travel BLOG
https://galeriafotografia.com Architecture + Drone photography
Currently most FAV lens(es):
X80QF f3.2/80mm
Hypergon f11/26mm
ELCAN UV f5.6/52mm
Zeiss UV-Planar f4/60mm
Zeiss UV-Planar f2/62mm
Lomo Уфар-12 f2.5/41mm
Lomo Зуфар-2 f4.0/350mm
Lomo ZIKAR-1A f1.2/100mm
Nikon UV Nikkor f4.5/105mm
Zeiss UV-Sonnar f4.3/105mm
CERCO UV-VIS-NIR f1.8/45mm
CERCO UV-VIS-NIR f4.1/94mm
CERCO UV-VIS-NIR f2.8/100mm
Steinheil Quarzobjektiv f1.8/50mm
Pentax Quartz Takumar f3.5/85mm
Carl Zeiss Jena UV-Objektiv f4/60mm
NYE OPTICAL Lyman-Alpha II f1.1/90mm
NYE OPTICAL Lyman-Alpha I f2.8/200mm
COASTAL OPTICS f4/60mm UV-VIS-IR Apo
COASTAL OPTICS f4.5/105mm UV-Micro-Apo
Pentax Ultra-Achromatic Takumar f4.5/85mm
Pentax Ultra-Achromatic Takumar f5.6/300mm
Rodenstock UV-Rodagon f5.6/60mm + 105mm + 150mm
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Palabrant
Joined: 14 Mar 2019 Posts: 3 Location: Wales uk
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Posted: Sat May 18, 2019 10:30 am Post subject: |
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Palabrant wrote:
These early Corfield lenses were not made by Enna but are all British by the Birmingham Optical Company [BOLCO] who partly financed Corfield . |
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pdccameras
Joined: 23 Aug 2009 Posts: 825 Location: Putnam, CT
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Posted: Sat May 18, 2019 5:12 pm Post subject: |
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pdccameras wrote:
Nice images - is this an enlarger lens?
P. _________________ Canon 5D Mii, Canon 40D, Canon 350D IR, Sony A7 Mii, Sony Alpha-6000, a ton of lenses: AF & MF and too many cameras to count, all formats: 110 - 4x5. |
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Lightshow
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Posted: Tue May 21, 2019 9:59 am Post subject: |
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Lightshow wrote:
pdccameras wrote: |
Nice images - is this an enlarger lens?
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Yes it is, They(Enlarger Lenses) are typically written such that the front element is at the bottom of the lettering, because when mounted in an enlarger.... You can read it without standing on your head. I.e. It's printed from the observers position, which is why most camera lenses have their writing readable from behind the camera. _________________ A Manual Focus Junky...
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pdccameras
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Posted: Tue May 21, 2019 12:03 pm Post subject: |
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pdccameras wrote:
Yes it is, They(Enlarger Lenses) are typically written such that the front element is at the bottom of the lettering, because when mounted in an enlarger.... You can read it without standing on your head. I.e. It's printed from the observers position, which is why most camera lenses have their writing readable from behind the camera.[/quote]
Good tip - and a good example of ergonomic design. I never really noticed it before - just like i just recently found out about the little arrow on the fuel gage in cars that points to the side of the vehicle where the gas fill is located!
Cheers,
Paul _________________ Canon 5D Mii, Canon 40D, Canon 350D IR, Sony A7 Mii, Sony Alpha-6000, a ton of lenses: AF & MF and too many cameras to count, all formats: 110 - 4x5. |
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Ernst Dinkla
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Posted: Tue May 21, 2019 2:47 pm Post subject: |
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Ernst Dinkla wrote:
calvin83 wrote: |
I have tried Color-Lanthar in DKL too. The Color-Lanthar, which is also a triplet, hardly show any CA under back lit or high contrast scene. It is better than this lens for general photography.
Here is the 100% crop as requested. Do you agree it is a APO lens?
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I sure like to write that it is an APO lens given I have some Color Skopar's that are close to that too. But your choice for a magenta/green subject is a risky one for an objective judgement _________________ Met vriendelijke groet, Ernst
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simple.joy
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simple.joy wrote:
I've been curious about this lens for a while. I love triplets and while this one probably won't be among the sharpest ones wide open, the rendering is quite nice (as is often the case with lenses made in England from a certain era):
All of those are wide open. _________________ ---
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calvin83
Joined: 12 Apr 2009 Posts: 7568 Location: Hong Kong
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Posted: Mon Feb 26, 2024 11:09 am Post subject: |
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calvin83 wrote:
Good to know you got one too! _________________ https://www.instagram.com/_lens_fever/
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