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caspert79
Joined: 31 Oct 2010 Posts: 3208 Location: The Netherlands
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Posted: Tue Nov 14, 2023 2:29 pm Post subject: Zenitar-M 50mm f/1.7 + comparison |
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caspert79 wrote:
Despite the terrible weather lately, here a few first wide open images of my Zenitar-M 50mm f/1.7. Click for full size.
ZenitarM5017 by devoscasper, on Flickr
ZenitarM5017_1 by devoscasper, on Flickr
ZenitarM5017_2 by devoscasper, on Flickr
Then a bokeh comparison with 2 other 50/1.7 lenses. Focus distance is just over 45cm:
bokehcomparison by devoscasper, on Flickr
Conclusion: the Zenitar shows the biggest bokeh balls ones stopped down. Real aperture is probably bigger than indicated. There's differences in aperture shape. The Mamiya seems to have most saturated colors (by a small margin). Otherwise, no huge difference.
Then, 100% crop comparison:
cropcomparison by devoscasper, on Flickr
Wide open, all three lenses seem pretty sharp. I think the Mamiya wins by a small margin. In earlier similar tests I did between many standard lenses, the Mamiya EF 50/1.7 always had the best center sharpness wide open. Unfortunately, the Zenitar seems to show focus shift once you stop the lens down. I often like to stop down after focusing wide open, before I take a picture. With the Zenitar, this seems to be not a good idea. Best contrast and sharpness from the Mamiya IMO, at least at this subject distance. |
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calvin83
Joined: 12 Apr 2009 Posts: 7571 Location: Hong Kong
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Posted: Tue Nov 14, 2023 3:23 pm Post subject: |
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calvin83 wrote:
Many reviews on pentaxforums mentioned this is a very sharp lens. From your samples, it is just as sharp as the others. _________________ The best lens is the one you have with you.
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caspert79
Joined: 31 Oct 2010 Posts: 3208 Location: The Netherlands
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Posted: Tue Nov 14, 2023 3:42 pm Post subject: |
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caspert79 wrote:
calvin83 wrote: |
Many reviews on pentaxforums mentioned this is a very sharp lens. From your samples, it is just as sharp as the others. |
Yes, true, although I deliberately compared it against two very sharp lenses.
Curious how it behaves as a landscape lens. Both the Mamiya and Pentax need some stopping down for very sharp corners. |
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D1N0
Joined: 07 Aug 2012 Posts: 2536
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Posted: Tue Nov 14, 2023 4:11 pm Post subject: |
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D1N0 wrote:
I'd say instead of fussing over minute sharpness differences take more pictures of your bored cat _________________ pentaxian |
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caspert79
Joined: 31 Oct 2010 Posts: 3208 Location: The Netherlands
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Posted: Tue Nov 14, 2023 4:27 pm Post subject: |
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caspert79 wrote:
D1N0 wrote: |
I'd say instead of fussing over minute sharpness differences take more pictures of your bored cat |
I do these comparisons because I like to do them. And to fact check the rumors that are often spread about certain lenses. The real world differences (at least what I’ve tested here) are probably insignificant indeed. Which allows me to keep the size of my collection under control, another reason I do these tests. |
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stevemark
Joined: 29 Apr 2011 Posts: 4033 Location: Switzerland
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Posted: Tue Nov 14, 2023 5:26 pm Post subject: |
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stevemark wrote:
Interesting to see how much focus shift the Zenitar has, compared to the others. Thanks for that information!
Of course I'm not surprised that common Japanese 1.7/50mm vintage lenses give pretty much identical results when comparing the image center
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Baekmann
Joined: 28 Feb 2021 Posts: 72
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Posted: Tue Nov 14, 2023 8:23 pm Post subject: |
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Baekmann wrote:
Very nice results, thanks for sharing _________________ www.youtube.com/ohjajohh |
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KEO
Joined: 27 Sep 2018 Posts: 774 Location: USA
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Posted: Tue Nov 14, 2023 8:52 pm Post subject: |
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visualopsins
Joined: 05 Mar 2009 Posts: 11024 Location: California
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Posted: Tue Nov 14, 2023 9:41 pm Post subject: |
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visualopsins wrote:
stevemark wrote: |
Interesting to see how much focus shift the Zenitar has, compared to the others. Thanks for that information!...
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Depends on test methodology -- if lens was re-focused for each photo, i.e. focus is shifted... _________________ ☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮ like attracts like! ☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮
Cameras: Sony ILCE-7RM2, Spotmatics II, F, and ESII, Nikon P4
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M42 Asahi Optical Co., Takumar 1:4 f=35mm, 1:2 f=58mm (Sonnar), 1:2.4 f=58mm (Heliar), 1:2.2 f=55mm (Gaussian), 1:2.8 f=105mm (Model I), 1:2.8/105 (Model II), 1:5.6/200, Tele-Takumar 1:5.6/200, 1:6.3/300, Macro-Takumar 1:4/50, Auto-Takumar 1:2.3 f=35, 1:1.8 f=55mm, 1:2.2 f=55mm, Super-TAKUMAR 1:3.5/28 (fat), 1:2/35 (Fat), 1:1.4/50 (8-element), Super-Multi-Coated Fisheye-TAKUMAR 1:4/17, Super-Multi-Coated TAKUMAR 1:4.5/20, 1:3.5/24, 1:3.5/28, 1:2/35, 1:3.5/35, 1:1.8/85, 1:1.9/85 1:2.8/105, 1:3.5/135, 1:2.5/135 (II), 1:4/150, 1:4/200, 1:4/300, 1:4.5/500, Super-Multi-Coated Macro-TAKUMAR 1:4/50, 1:4/100, Super-Multi-Coated Bellows-TAKUMAR 1:4/100, SMC TAKUMAR 1:1.4/50, 1:1.8/55
M42 Carl Zeiss Jena Flektogon 2.4/35
Contax Carl Zeiss Vario-Sonnar T* 28-70mm F3.5-4.5
Pentax K-mount SMC PENTAX-A ZOOM 1:3.5 35~105mm, SMC PENTAX ZOOM 1:4 45~125mm
Nikon Micro-NIKKOR-P-C Auto 1:3.5 f=55mm, NIKKOR-P Auto 105mm f/2.5 Pre-AI (Sonnar), Micro-NIKKOR 105mm 1:4 AI, NIKKOR AI-S 35-135mm f/3,5-4,5
Tamron SP 17mm f/3.5 (51B), Tamron SP 17mm f/3.5 (151B), SP 500mm f/8 (55BB), SP 70-210mm f/3.5 (19AH)
Vivitar 100mm 1:2.8 MC 1:1 Macro Telephoto (Kiron)
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visualopsins
Joined: 05 Mar 2009 Posts: 11024 Location: California
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Posted: Tue Nov 14, 2023 9:55 pm Post subject: |
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visualopsins wrote:
caspert79 wrote: |
D1N0 wrote: |
I'd say instead of fussing over minute sharpness differences take more pictures of your bored cat |
I do these comparisons because I like to do them. And to fact check the rumors that are often spread about certain lenses. The real world differences (at least what I’ve tested here) are probably insignificant indeed. Which allows me to keep the size of my collection under control, another reason I do these tests. |
@D1N0: https://www.flickr.com/photos/55691955@N05/albums _________________ ☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮ like attracts like! ☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮
Cameras: Sony ILCE-7RM2, Spotmatics II, F, and ESII, Nikon P4
Lenses:
M42 Asahi Optical Co., Takumar 1:4 f=35mm, 1:2 f=58mm (Sonnar), 1:2.4 f=58mm (Heliar), 1:2.2 f=55mm (Gaussian), 1:2.8 f=105mm (Model I), 1:2.8/105 (Model II), 1:5.6/200, Tele-Takumar 1:5.6/200, 1:6.3/300, Macro-Takumar 1:4/50, Auto-Takumar 1:2.3 f=35, 1:1.8 f=55mm, 1:2.2 f=55mm, Super-TAKUMAR 1:3.5/28 (fat), 1:2/35 (Fat), 1:1.4/50 (8-element), Super-Multi-Coated Fisheye-TAKUMAR 1:4/17, Super-Multi-Coated TAKUMAR 1:4.5/20, 1:3.5/24, 1:3.5/28, 1:2/35, 1:3.5/35, 1:1.8/85, 1:1.9/85 1:2.8/105, 1:3.5/135, 1:2.5/135 (II), 1:4/150, 1:4/200, 1:4/300, 1:4.5/500, Super-Multi-Coated Macro-TAKUMAR 1:4/50, 1:4/100, Super-Multi-Coated Bellows-TAKUMAR 1:4/100, SMC TAKUMAR 1:1.4/50, 1:1.8/55
M42 Carl Zeiss Jena Flektogon 2.4/35
Contax Carl Zeiss Vario-Sonnar T* 28-70mm F3.5-4.5
Pentax K-mount SMC PENTAX-A ZOOM 1:3.5 35~105mm, SMC PENTAX ZOOM 1:4 45~125mm
Nikon Micro-NIKKOR-P-C Auto 1:3.5 f=55mm, NIKKOR-P Auto 105mm f/2.5 Pre-AI (Sonnar), Micro-NIKKOR 105mm 1:4 AI, NIKKOR AI-S 35-135mm f/3,5-4,5
Tamron SP 17mm f/3.5 (51B), Tamron SP 17mm f/3.5 (151B), SP 500mm f/8 (55BB), SP 70-210mm f/3.5 (19AH)
Vivitar 100mm 1:2.8 MC 1:1 Macro Telephoto (Kiron)
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stevemark
Joined: 29 Apr 2011 Posts: 4033 Location: Switzerland
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Posted: Tue Nov 14, 2023 10:15 pm Post subject: |
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stevemark wrote:
visualopsins wrote: |
stevemark wrote: |
Interesting to see how much focus shift the Zenitar has, compared to the others. Thanks for that information!...
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Depends on test methodology -- if lens was re-focused for each photo, i.e. focus is shifted... |
Of course ... I made my remark from a "scientific" point of view since focus shift usually is connected to spherical aberration which - in turn - results in specific rendering. Among my vintage normal lenses I have a few favourites*, but generally speaking the fifties have a much more balanced perfromance than say the vintage superwides or the vintage 300mm lenses.
* some are ...
- Mamiya Sekor EF 1.4/50: very good vintage lens
- Mamiya Sekor Auto 2/50mm: few CAs and "clear" images
- Minolta MC-X 1.2/58mm: fast and relatively lng focal length
- Minolta MD-III 2/50mm: few CAs and very low distortion
- Nikkor 2/50mm: nice rendering at f2
- Nikkor Ai 1.2/55mm: fast and nice rendering at f1.2
- Fujinon M42 1.8/55mm: good corner performance wide open
- Topcor RE 1.8/55mm: good overall performance _________________ www.artaphot.ch |
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cbass
Joined: 27 Jul 2019 Posts: 450
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Posted: Wed Nov 15, 2023 8:59 pm Post subject: |
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cbass wrote:
I am a big zenitar 50 f/1.7 fan especially when it comes to portraits. It has good coverage on a GFX size sensor as a bonus. I like the bokeh and falloff. Very soft and creamy. That typically means under corrected spherical aberrations. However, whatever is left is at a good balance as the lens performs well for its time even wide open. Color rendering is also not in your face saturated but falls more toward saturated pastels. I prefer this for people photography. It's a very flat plane as well at least in the mid distance test I did. Very even performance across the frame in the focus area even wide open. I did not test at infinity or close distance. It also appears that the contrast drops as you move away from the focus plane. This is something that is not reproducible in post. At least not in the same way it happens optically. However, it's a contributing factor for the impression of depth. |
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alex_d
Joined: 19 Jan 2019 Posts: 420
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Posted: Wed Nov 15, 2023 11:37 pm Post subject: |
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alex_d wrote:
thanx for sharing your results.
yet again .. im re-assured by the fact that common vintage 50-ish lenses will generally produce nearly identical results,
with a similarity rating of around 99.X%
having a one good copy of a 50/1.7-2.0 solves all the daily photographic needs, chores & necessaries.
and beyond that ..
like that saying ffrom the old Winnetou; give a lens to a man will temporarily fulfill his g.a.s.
However, teaching a man the zen of photography, equips him with the lifelong skill of capturing images through a single lens |
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calvin83
Joined: 12 Apr 2009 Posts: 7571 Location: Hong Kong
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Posted: Thu Nov 16, 2023 5:13 am Post subject: |
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calvin83 wrote:
alex_d wrote: |
thanx for sharing your results.
yet again .. im re-assured by the fact that common vintage 50-ish lenses will generally produce nearly identical results,
with a similarity rating of around 99.X%
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Lenses with single-coated or un-coated made in the 30s to early 60s have more variation than multi-coated lenses in the 70s and 80s. This is the reason why I have nearly no multi-coated 50-ish lenses on the my collection. _________________ The best lens is the one you have with you.
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Ultrapix
Joined: 06 Jan 2012 Posts: 570 Location: Italy
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Posted: Thu Nov 16, 2023 8:37 am Post subject: |
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Ultrapix wrote:
I have, or used to have, or just used, dozens of lenses, but when it comes to this Zenitar it definitely has something special, I'll never part with it.
Thanks for sharing |
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caspert79
Joined: 31 Oct 2010 Posts: 3208 Location: The Netherlands
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Posted: Thu Nov 16, 2023 10:24 am Post subject: |
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caspert79 wrote:
alex_d wrote: |
thanx for sharing your results.
yet again .. im re-assured by the fact that common vintage 50-ish lenses will generally produce nearly identical results,
with a similarity rating of around 99.X%
having a one good copy of a 50/1.7-2.0 solves all the daily photographic needs, chores & necessaries.
and beyond that ..
like that saying ffrom the old Winnetou; give a lens to a man will temporarily fulfill his g.a.s.
However, teaching a man the zen of photography, equips him with the lifelong skill of capturing images through a single lens |
Agreed, this is splitting hairs stuff. Which I like to do, but for daily photography not very relevant.
There are however a few standard lenses in my collection that stand out IMO:
- Mamiya EF 50/1.4, which is fast yet sharp wide open, and a good landscape lens as well.
- Rokkor PF 55/2, which ticks all the boxes for me, and has super smooth bokeh
- Auto Yashinon 5cm f/2, because it's buitiful as an object, and I like it's bokeh
- Petri 55/1.4: because of it's bokeh |
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Indigo82
Joined: 30 Dec 2018 Posts: 61
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Posted: Thu Nov 16, 2023 3:04 pm Post subject: |
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Indigo82 wrote:
Inspired by this post about Zenitar and autumn I went for a walk in a nearby tree area. Literally I took this photo one hour ago.
Zenitar 50mm @1.7
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caspert79
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Posted: Thu Nov 16, 2023 3:17 pm Post subject: |
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caspert79 wrote:
Indigo82 wrote: |
Inspired by this post about Zenitar and autumn I went for a walk in a nearby tree area. Literally I took this photo one hour ago.
Zenitar 50mm @1.7
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Indigo82
Joined: 30 Dec 2018 Posts: 61
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Posted: Thu Nov 16, 2023 4:10 pm Post subject: |
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Indigo82 wrote:
Thank you
One more from the same shoot today. Zenitar 50mm @f1.7
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lumens pixel
Joined: 27 Feb 2019 Posts: 880
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Posted: Thu Nov 16, 2023 7:39 pm Post subject: |
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lumens pixel wrote:
Very nice _________________ Lumens Pixel
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Canon FD mount: Tokina RMC 17 3,5; 28 2,8; 35 2,8; 50 1,8; 50 3,5 Macro; 55 1,2; 135 3,5; 135 2,5; 200 4,0; 300 5,6; 28-55 3,5 4,5; Tokina SZ-X SD 270; 70-150 4,5; 70-210 f4; 80-200 4L; Tokina SZ-X 845
Tamron Adaptall: 28-80 3,5-4,2 (27A); 70-210 3,8-4 (46A); 60-300 (23A); 90 2,5 (52B); 35-135 3,5-4,5 (40A)
Tamron SP: 20-40 2,7-3,5 (266D) |
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Indigo82
Joined: 30 Dec 2018 Posts: 61
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Posted: Sat Nov 18, 2023 12:25 pm Post subject: |
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Indigo82 wrote:
Thank you.
Some more from the same series with Zenitar, all at f1.7.
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caspert79
Joined: 31 Oct 2010 Posts: 3208 Location: The Netherlands
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Posted: Sun Nov 19, 2023 12:56 pm Post subject: |
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caspert79 wrote:
Nice colors! |
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Dejan
Joined: 05 Jan 2021 Posts: 149 Location: Belgrade, Serbia
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Posted: Mon Nov 20, 2023 5:21 pm Post subject: |
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Dejan wrote:
Indeed, really nice colours and the lens performed quite well in the bokeh department too. |
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