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Basilisk
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 Posted: Tue Jan 07, 2014 1:54 pm Post subject: £10 for Tokina RMC 50-200 f3.5-4.5. Was it worth it? |
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Basilisk wrote:
It is rare that I actually come across a Nikon mount lens in my junk shop rummagings, so chances are I will pick up a £10 lens no questions asked, if I can actually mount it on my D600. This particular 1980s(?) Tokina (typically solid and satisfying to handle) seems a bit of an oddball. 70-200/210, or 80-200 are much more usual from most manufacturers. Not clear why they did not persist with it as it seems a very solid performer. It exposes accurately on my D600, and is fairly easy to get sharp images at both ends of the range. An interesting feature is the close focus option (1:2.5) at 200mm only. It certainly won't be the best 50mm lens in anyones collection (a bit slow, and MFD is disappointing) but at the longer end the performance is good, rendering and bokeh nice, and f4.5 is not embarrassingly slow. Main drawback is slow aperture blades, so I am using this wide open, unless I put it on my NEX.
Pictures to follow. Feel free to add views on other similar Tokinas, as it sounds like they are well worth looking out. |
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Basilisk
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| Posted: Tue Jan 07, 2014 1:59 pm Post subject: |
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Basilisk wrote:
All wide open. Not sure exact focal lengths. A small amount of cropping/sharpening/contrast added
@200mm(?)
@50mm
@200mm(?)
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| Posted: Tue Jan 07, 2014 2:21 pm Post subject: |
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Attila wrote:
Beautiful pictures, certainly worth it, enjoy !
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bernhardas
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| Posted: Tue Jan 07, 2014 3:27 pm Post subject: |
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bernhardas wrote:
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Basilisk
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| Posted: Tue Jan 07, 2014 5:04 pm Post subject: |
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Basilisk wrote:
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| Beautiful pictures, certainly worth it, enjoy ! |
Thanks very much Attila
He makes a good subject when he is in the right mood |
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Basilisk
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| Posted: Tue Jan 07, 2014 5:10 pm Post subject: |
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Basilisk wrote:
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I like the early to medium old Tokina lenses. And while I have to run the risk to sound like a broken record, the 50 to something Telezooms and specially the 50-250 ATX are great lenses, that can be bought for little money.
I like them as walk around lenses.
The eyes in the pictures are really alive |
Thanks bernhardas. On full frame a zoom starting at 50 certainly makes sense, in terms of fewer lens changes. I have a Sigma 20-40 f2.8 AF which is another oddball lens, but it gives me good coverage between the two of them, and both fit in my (large) coat pockets, which probably would not be true of the current Nikon offerings. Just looking at the roughly equivalent Nikon 70-200 f4; it may offer AF and VR, but it does cost 9900% more. It also does not offer the near macro mode, and it starts at the less useful 70mm. |
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bernhardas
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| Posted: Tue Jan 07, 2014 6:24 pm Post subject: |
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bernhardas wrote:
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Basilisk
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Basilisk wrote:
Another one from a walk around yesterday, again wide open at 200mm. My storm picture, a bit less spectacular than some peoples!
Benefitted from a tiny bit of purple defringing
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Basilisk
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Basilisk wrote:
The lens also produces some interesting LoCA in 200mm macro mode. This is a pretty extreme test, backlit cobweb, wide open.
Contrast/exposure adjusted a bit. It looks like ice crystals, but actually this is just flare, or maybe light diffracting round the individual threads - not entirely sure how the rainbow colours are created.
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invisible
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invisible wrote:
Judging by your images, 10 pounds for this lens was highway robbery. You should feel bad  |
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Basilisk
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| Posted: Sat Jan 11, 2014 7:46 pm Post subject: |
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Basilisk wrote:
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| Judging by your images, 10 pounds for this lens was highway robbery. You should feel bad |
Well I am happy with the lens. Now it would be nice to be able to use it in auto-aperture mode on the D600. Has anyone taken a Tokina zoom of this type to pieces and got the blades cleaned up? |
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Lloydy wrote:
I don't think you were robbed, but these old zooms are lenses 'of their time'. They served us well back in the day because they were affordable and useful. Things have moved on and there are better lenses, especially zoom lenses. But you've got some nice images from the Tokina, enjoy it.
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luisalegria wrote:
This one isn't that old.
Its from the 1980s. Lots of modern lenses aren't as good, and most modern cheap ones haven't got the aperture.
Those truly "from their time" with significant compromises in image quality due to old technology would be much earlier.
And I have found even 1960s zooms can work quite well on digital sensors with some understanding of their limitations.
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| Posted: Sun Jan 12, 2014 5:57 am Post subject: |
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hifisapi wrote:
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| Judging by your images, 10 pounds for this lens was highway robbery. You should feel bad |
highway robbery for the seller or for the buyer?
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| Posted: Sun Jan 12, 2014 8:18 am Post subject: |
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invisible wrote:
| hifisapi wrote: |
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| Judging by your images, 10 pounds for this lens was highway robbery. You should feel bad |
highway robbery for the seller or for the buyer? |
The buyer made out like a bandit. At the moment, the same lens is available on ebay for £30 to £45 plus shipping. One sold recently for £59 plus shipping. So, worst case scenario, if the CA shown on the cobweb photo is going to be a problem for the buyer, he'll simply flip it on ebay for a profit. If the lens was mine, I'd keep it, at least for a while, then make a few quid out of it. Or just put it in storage... and simply think of the £10 as the cost of having fun for a few hours |
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Basilisk
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| Posted: Sun Jan 12, 2014 12:17 pm Post subject: |
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Basilisk wrote:
| invisible wrote: |
| hifisapi wrote: |
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| Judging by your images, 10 pounds for this lens was highway robbery. You should feel bad |
highway robbery for the seller or for the buyer? |
The buyer made out like a bandit. At the moment, the same lens is available on ebay for £30 to £45 plus shipping. One sold recently for £59 plus shipping. So, worst case scenario, if the CA shown on the cobweb photo is going to be a problem for the buyer, he'll simply flip it on ebay for a profit. If the lens was mine, I'd keep it, at least for a while, then make a few quid out of it. Or just put it in storage... and simply think of the £10 as the cost of having fun for a few hours |
I am definitely going to keep it for now. It is my only Nikon mount lens that goes up to 200mm apart from my Sigma 150-500 which is certainly not a "carry around" lens. Need to do a few more tests - I think the aberrations may be worse in high contrast "macro" mode, especially as I cannot stop it down. Less of a problem for normal shooting as, with winter light levels, I normally need to keep it on f4.5 to get enough light. I am of the school that thinks lens defects can actually give character to photos, so I would never ditch a lens because it does wierd stuff in certain situations.
In the long term I would certainly like to get the blades working. Anyone? |
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My blades do work but are slow. I think the macro mode is a bit of a gimmick. Too soft an low resolution. But for 6,5 euro's I am not complaining.
Macro mode shot 80cm:
 RMC Tokina 50-200mm F3.5-4.5 @200mm F4.5 by The lens profile, on Flickr
Shot @ about 5 meters also 4.5:
 At a few meters. by The lens profile, on Flickr
It performs ok at regular distances. Macro magnification is of the type "might as well crop" unless you like the soft effect. Cranking up sharpening can also help a bit as long as you use a moderate image size.
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D1N0 wrote:
Another few test shots. In warm weather aperture works better :p, but these are wide open 200mm
 Catkeh by The lens profile, on Flickr
 Flowerkeh by The lens profile, on Flickr
 Duck by The lens profile, on Flickr
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