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eggplant
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Posted: Sun Jan 02, 2022 9:43 pm Post subject: Smallest 70-200mm? (read for specifics) |
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eggplant wrote:
I'm interested in a certain class of 70-200mm or 70-210mm telephoto zoom, that as far as I know started with the likes of the Tokina SZ-X 70-210mm f/4-5.6 SD in 1985, continued by lenses like the Tamron 70-210mm F4-5.6 158A, but got swept away when larger zoom ranges of 55-200, 35-200 and 28-200+ could be had for the same size as an average 1979 70-200mm.
I am interested, AF or not (but preferably old and easily acquired), to know of any which are comparably small in length . I'm not counting crop sensor lenses, and whilst it's true modern zooms lenses are alot smaller still, they're not cheap for disassembly.
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invisible
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Posted: Sun Jan 02, 2022 10:38 pm Post subject: |
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invisible wrote:
Not sure if this is what you're looking for, but there's at least one Vivitar 70-210mm f4.5-5.6 that's 84 mm long (3.3 in) at infinity. It has a "macro" mode.
Here's the user manual, dated 1986:
http://allphotolenses.com/public/files/pdfs/c9cb56f3d88b7f5da8c4fa8ea5074717.pdf |
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eggplant
Joined: 27 May 2020 Posts: 517
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Posted: Sun Jan 02, 2022 11:09 pm Post subject: |
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eggplant wrote:
I actually own that one, and a Sigma UC 70-210 which I forgot about which is similarly compact. I suppose what I'm looking for is something of the Tokina's class, by the looks of things I'll have to see to the wide array of Sigma lenses that came and went in the 90s, for something abit more 'premium'. |
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Paragon19
Joined: 26 Dec 2021 Posts: 45
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Posted: Mon Jan 03, 2022 12:35 am Post subject: |
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Paragon19 wrote:
Smallest I have around that range so far is a Promaster MC 80-205mm constant f/4.5 that's only 14.5cm (5.5 inches) in length at infinity and with the hood retracted. No idea if Tokina or someone else made it. Several on Ebay right now for ~$30 after shipping. Not sure if that fits the class of lens you're asking about. |
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Phalbert
Joined: 17 May 2009 Posts: 381 Location: Namibia
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Posted: Mon Jan 03, 2022 6:54 am Post subject: |
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Phalbert wrote:
Sigma 60-200?
http://allphotolenses.com/lenses/item/c_3194.html _________________ 🙋 My wishlist: Titan or Idaho 135/1,8 Nikon Df Nikkor 105/1,8 35/1,4 85/1,4
My dream lenses: Zuiko 180/2 Prototype Zuiko 85/1,4
Zeiss CY: 55/1,2 85/1,2
Astro Berlin 250/2 Canon EF 50/1,0 85/1,2
Nikkor 105/1,4 28/1,4
My stolen stuff: Zuiko 24/2 #106874; Zuiko 35-80/2,8 #102180; Zuiko 35/2 #119168; Zuiko 90/2 macro #102858; Zuiko x1,4 converter #102019; Tamron 17/3,5 #400567; Tamron 400/4 #80407; Soligor 135/2 #17506600 Sigma 28/1,8 #1001124 |
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heritagecameras
Joined: 19 Feb 2011 Posts: 104 Location: UK
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Posted: Mon Jan 03, 2022 7:54 am Post subject: Re: Smallest 70-200mm? (read for specifics) |
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heritagecameras wrote:
eggplant wrote: |
I'm interested in a certain class of 70-200mm or 70-210mm telephoto zoom, that as far as I know started with the likes of the Tokina SZ-X 70-210mm f/4-5.6 SD in 1985, continued by lenses like the Tamron 70-210mm F4-5.6 158A, but got swept away when larger zoom ranges of 55-200, 35-200 and 28-200+ could be had for the same size as an average 1979 70-200mm.
I am interested, AF or not (but preferably old and easily acquired), to know of any which are comparably small in length . I'm not counting crop sensor lenses, and whilst it's true modern zooms lenses are alot smaller still, they're not cheap for disassembly.
Thanks! |
Kobori made a very short 70-200mm f/4.5-5.6 macro zoom, sold as a Koboron, Sirius, and probably other brands:
https://www.etsy.com/uk/listing/700591977/koboron-70-200mm-zoommacro-for-minolta?show_sold_out_detail=1&ref=nla_listing_details _________________ Dave, HCL |
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lumens pixel
Joined: 27 Feb 2019 Posts: 882
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Posted: Mon Jan 03, 2022 7:55 am Post subject: |
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lumens pixel wrote:
I own the Tokina SZ-X 80-200 4,5/5,6.
It is an excellent lens. Sharpness is crazy good and the format is fantastic.
But... I bought two copies and both were subject to a tilt of the focus plane rotating when zooming. I think that either the concept of the screw moving the groups is defective or I have been unlucky twice.
I would gladly hear if someone has a copy not affected by this issue. I would then try once more. _________________ Lumens Pixel
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Minolta SR mount: 16 2,8; Sigma SuperWide 24 2,8; 28 2,5; 28 2,8; 28 3,5; 35 2,8; 45 2,0; 50 1,4; 50 1,7; 50 2,0; 58 1,4; 85 2,0; 100 2,5; 100 4 Macro; 135 3,5; 135 2,8; 200 4; RF 250 5,6; 24-35 3,5; 35-70 3,5; 75-150 4; 70-210 4
Canon FD mount: Tokina RMC 17 3,5; 28 2,8; 35 2,8; 50 1,8; 50 3,5 Macro; 55 1,2; 135 3,5; 135 2,5; 200 4,0; 300 5,6; 28-55 3,5 4,5; Tokina SZ-X SD 270; 70-150 4,5; 70-210 f4; 80-200 4L; Tokina SZ-X 845
Tamron Adaptall: 28-80 3,5-4,2 (27A); 70-210 3,8-4 (46A); 60-300 (23A); 90 2,5 (52B); 35-135 3,5-4,5 (40A)
Tamron SP: 20-40 2,7-3,5 (266D) |
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caspert79
Joined: 31 Oct 2010 Posts: 3208 Location: The Netherlands
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Posted: Mon Jan 03, 2022 11:45 am Post subject: |
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caspert79 wrote:
I had the Tokina SZ-X 80-200mm f/4,5-5,6 but that was quite long ago. I remember being quite happy with it. The size is fantastic. This was back when the first digital SLR's (with only little mp's) were coming up, so no idea how this lens would do on for example a 42+ mp mirrorless. _________________ For Sale:
Minolta MD 24mm f/2.8
Steinheil Auto D Tele Quinar 135mm f/2.8 (Exa)
ISCO Isconar 100mm f/4 (Exa)
Steinheil Cassarit 50mm f/2.8 M39 (Paxette)
I'm always interested in trading lenses! |
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eggplant
Joined: 27 May 2020 Posts: 517
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Posted: Mon Jan 03, 2022 4:55 pm Post subject: Re: Smallest 70-200mm? (read for specifics) |
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eggplant wrote:
heritagecameras wrote: |
eggplant wrote: |
I'm interested in a certain class of 70-200mm or 70-210mm telephoto zoom, that as far as I know started with the likes of the Tokina SZ-X 70-210mm f/4-5.6 SD in 1985, continued by lenses like the Tamron 70-210mm F4-5.6 158A, but got swept away when larger zoom ranges of 55-200, 35-200 and 28-200+ could be had for the same size as an average 1979 70-200mm.
I am interested, AF or not (but preferably old and easily acquired), to know of any which are comparably small in length . I'm not counting crop sensor lenses, and whilst it's true modern zooms lenses are alot smaller still, they're not cheap for disassembly.
Thanks! |
Kobori made a very short 70-200mm f/4.5-5.6 macro zoom, sold as a Koboron, Sirius, and probably other brands:
https://www.etsy.com/uk/listing/700591977/koboron-70-200mm-zoommacro-for-minolta?show_sold_out_detail=1&ref=nla_listing_details |
Very interesting- Koboron always goes under my radar, but if you go looking their name is on a bunch of interesting/unique manual focus lenses, like a 24-70mm. |
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eggplant
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Posted: Mon Jan 03, 2022 4:55 pm Post subject: |
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eggplant wrote:
Yeah, definitely because it starts at 60 rather than 70, but is a similar size. Thanks! |
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Lloydy
Joined: 02 Sep 2009 Posts: 7794 Location: Ironbridge. UK.
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Posted: Mon Jan 03, 2022 7:46 pm Post subject: |
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Lloydy wrote:
I've got these zooms of that era and type in my for sale box- the Sigma is a compact lens and about half the size of my Minolta Beercan and Vivitar S1 70-210's.
Miranda MC Macro 75-200 4.5-5.6 Pentax PK closed 115mm open 172mm Push-Pull
Miranda MC Macro 70-210 4.5-5.6 Olympus OM closed 100mm open 145mm Push-pull
Tokina SD 70-210 4-5.6 Minolta AF closed 85mm open 127mm Two ring -
Sigma Zoom Aspherical 28-200 3.8-5.6 Minolta AF closed 80mm open 130mm Two ring _________________ LENSES & CAMERAS FOR SALE.....
I have loads of stuff that I have to get rid of, if you see me commenting about something I have got and you want one, ask me.
My Flickr https://www.flickr.com/photos/mudplugga/
My ipernity -
http://www.ipernity.com/home/294337 |
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kypfer
Joined: 27 Sep 2017 Posts: 523 Location: Jersey C.I.
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Posted: Tue Jan 04, 2022 8:17 am Post subject: Re: Smallest 70-200mm? (read for specifics) |
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kypfer wrote:
eggplant wrote: |
I'm interested in a certain class of 70-200mm or 70-210mm telephoto zoom, that as far as I know started with the likes of the Tokina SZ-X 70-210mm f/4-5.6 SD in 1985, continued by lenses like the Tamron 70-210mm F4-5.6 158A, but got swept away when larger zoom ranges of 55-200, 35-200 and 28-200+ could be had for the same size as an average 1979 70-200mm.
Thanks! |
Not quite up to the OP's specs, but worthy of consideration, the Tamron 171A 28-200mm is of similar length to the 158A, albeit of somewhat greater girth.
A favourite of mine for very many years, it was finally retired with a build-up of "fungus" deep in it's innards |
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D1N0
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Posted: Tue Jan 04, 2022 12:15 pm Post subject: |
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D1N0 wrote:
I have a Pentacon Prakticar 70-210mm 4-5.6 8cm-11cm (12 at MFD) it's 437 grams. Not shot with it because PB mount, it came in a lot. It is a Sigma made lens i'd say even though I can't find the made in Japan inscription.
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-rageQuit-
Joined: 26 Dec 2013 Posts: 22
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Posted: Sat Jan 08, 2022 2:55 pm Post subject: Re: Smallest 70-200mm? (read for specifics) |
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-rageQuit- wrote:
eggplant wrote: |
any which are comparably small in length. |
Is that lenses that are short OR lenses that are short when around 200mm in focal length?
I have the vague recollection that there where some pull-push zooms that zoomed out as they were extended, so they'd be at their shortest at 210mm. |
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eggplant
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Posted: Sat Jan 08, 2022 2:58 pm Post subject: Re: Smallest 70-200mm? (read for specifics) |
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eggplant wrote:
-rageQuit- wrote: |
eggplant wrote: |
any which are comparably small in length. |
Is that lenses that are short OR lenses that are short when around 200mm in focal length?
I have the vague recollection that there where some pull-push zooms that zoomed out as they were extended, so they'd be at their shortest at 210mm. |
The first one- lenses that are short. |
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kypfer
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Posted: Sun Jan 09, 2022 12:25 pm Post subject: Re: Smallest 70-200mm? (read for specifics) |
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kypfer wrote:
-rageQuit- wrote: |
I have the vague recollection that there where some pull-push zooms that zoomed out as they were extended, so they'd be at their shortest at 210mm. |
Tamron did both … very confusing!
Their selling line originally was "pull the subject towards you" (telephoto) and "push the subject away from you" (wide angle) … or something very similar.
My #104A 75-250mm is like that, as were others of that age, but the mechanical length of the lens doesn't change when zooming.
Later lenses like the #158A 70-210mm, mentioned by the OP, both zoom in the opposite direction and change length when they are zoomed. |
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D1N0
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Posted: Sun Jan 09, 2022 1:45 pm Post subject: |
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D1N0 wrote:
Internal zooms usually start at the longest focal length, extending ones at the shortest. My 26a 35-210 extends from 35 to 210. The 19ah 70-210/3.5 seems to extend and starts at 70. But that is just the zoom/focusring serving as a hood at longer focal lengths. My Pentax-m 35-70 3.5 extends but still starts at 70mm and zooms out extending. So it is not a given. _________________ pentaxian |
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kiddo
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Posted: Tue Jan 11, 2022 1:07 pm Post subject: |
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kiddo wrote:
I'm looking further to buy a 75-150/200 zoom and can't decide , rokkor 75-150 almost impossible to reach nowadays , mamiya ze 75-150/200 no info about it , Canon nFD 70-200 might be the easiest to find , but CA consistent. So, could you guys help me to decide ? Thanks |
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D1N0
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Posted: Tue Jan 11, 2022 2:57 pm Post subject: |
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D1N0 wrote:
kiddo wrote: |
I'm looking further to buy a 75-150/200 zoom and can't decide , rokkor 75-150 almost impossible to reach nowadays , mamiya ze 75-150/200 no info about it , Canon nFD 70-200 might be the easiest to find , but CA consistent. So, could you guys help me to decide ? Thanks |
http://forum.mflenses.com/whats-the-best-75-150mm-zoom-lens-t75397.html _________________ pentaxian |
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stevemark
Joined: 29 Apr 2011 Posts: 4033 Location: Switzerland
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Posted: Tue Jan 11, 2022 5:20 pm Post subject: |
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stevemark wrote:
kiddo wrote: |
I'm looking further to buy a 75-150/200 zoom and can't decide , rokkor 75-150 almost impossible to reach nowadays , mamiya ze 75-150/200 no info about it , Canon nFD 70-200 might be the easiest to find , but CA consistent. So, could you guys help me to decide ? Thanks |
I have added a few remarks regarding the Canon nFD, Konica AR, Mamiya Sekor E, Minolta MD, Nikon E and Olympus Zuiko OM lenses in the 75-150mm class:
http://forum.mflenses.com/whats-the-best-75-150mm-zoom-lens-t75397,start,72.html
S _________________ www.artaphot.ch |
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Phalbert
Joined: 17 May 2009 Posts: 381 Location: Namibia
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Posted: Wed Jan 12, 2022 8:08 am Post subject: |
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Phalbert wrote:
kiddo wrote: |
I'm looking further to buy a 75-150/200 zoom and can't decide , rokkor 75-150 almost impossible to reach nowadays , mamiya ze 75-150/200 no info about it , Canon nFD 70-200 might be the easiest to find , but CA consistent. So, could you guys help me to decide ? Thanks |
Which mount? I believe the tamrons are all good enough and let you choose whatever mount you need. _________________ 🙋 My wishlist: Titan or Idaho 135/1,8 Nikon Df Nikkor 105/1,8 35/1,4 85/1,4
My dream lenses: Zuiko 180/2 Prototype Zuiko 85/1,4
Zeiss CY: 55/1,2 85/1,2
Astro Berlin 250/2 Canon EF 50/1,0 85/1,2
Nikkor 105/1,4 28/1,4
My stolen stuff: Zuiko 24/2 #106874; Zuiko 35-80/2,8 #102180; Zuiko 35/2 #119168; Zuiko 90/2 macro #102858; Zuiko x1,4 converter #102019; Tamron 17/3,5 #400567; Tamron 400/4 #80407; Soligor 135/2 #17506600 Sigma 28/1,8 #1001124 |
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