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Favorite non-swirly bokeh lenses?
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PostPosted: Sat May 08, 2021 2:04 am    Post subject: Favorite non-swirly bokeh lenses? Reply with quote

Everyone loves swirly bokeh, but what are some of your favorite lenses that don't swirl?


PostPosted: Sat May 08, 2021 3:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

It depends on the situation

Doughnut: Reflex lens
Bubble: Triplets(Trioplan) and etc.
Swirly: Biotar/Helios/Petzval and etc.
Gaussian: STF lenses
Variable bokeh: Nikon DC/Canon RF SA Macro


PostPosted: Sat May 08, 2021 4:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

My favorite non-swirly bokeh lenses are two of my Canons: FD 55mm f/1.2 SSC and FD 85mm f/1.2 SSC Aspherical

They're a lot of fun to shoot with wide open, but they can also be a challenge. The depth of field is so shallow that I really have to pay attention to my back and forth movement while focusing, because the least amount of movement on my part can result in an out-of-focus shot.


PostPosted: Sat May 08, 2021 10:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

In order of focal length:

On APSc:
Canon 50mm f1.4 LTM
Rollei HFT Planar 50mm f1.8
Super-Takumar 55mm f1.8
RE Auto Topcor 5.8cm f1.8
Sankyo Kohki Super-Komura 100mm f2.5

On Full Frame:
Sigma Art 50mm f1.4 (an AF lens I know)
Voigtlander Nokton 58mm f1.4
Super-Takumar 85mm f1.9
Sankyo Kohki Super-Komura 100mm f2.5
Sankyo Kohki Super-Komura 135mm f2.8

And one that I would love to own but never will
P.Angenieux 50mm f1.8

Tom


PostPosted: Sat May 08, 2021 12:11 pm    Post subject: Re: Favorite non-swirly bokeh lenses? Reply with quote

QuickHitRecord wrote:
Everyone loves swirly bokeh, but what are some of your favorite lenses that don't swirl?


Not everyone. I HATE swirly bokeh....

I LOVE soft and creamy bokeh.

There are many lenses which provide that. Can't really say whether I have a favorite one.

Minolta MC 58/1.2 and 85/1.7 come to my mind but there are many more....


PostPosted: Sat May 08, 2021 6:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ED Nikkor 180mm 2.8

Leica 90mm Elmarit 2.8


PostPosted: Sun May 09, 2021 4:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The lens with the most beautiful, utterly smooth, low-contrast, painterly, cinema-lens-like out-of-focus backgrounds I have ever encountered is...
you won't guess it...
the Contax-Zeiss 28-85 f3.3-4 (namely at the long end).
That one is the real sleeper.


PostPosted: Sun May 09, 2021 10:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Off the top of my head:

* Sony/Minolta STF 135mm f/2.8 t/4.5
* Steinheil-München Quinar 135mm f/2.8
* EBC Fujinon 50mm f/1.4

(The last may be a bit oval shaped wide open but nothing like the actual swirly bokeh lenses.)


PostPosted: Sun May 09, 2021 5:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Minolta MC 100mm f2.


PostPosted: Sun May 09, 2021 8:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Zenitar 50/1.7


PostPosted: Sun May 09, 2021 10:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Diaplan 100mm 2.8
Planar 50mm 1.4
Rollei Planar 50mm 1.8
MD Rokkor 100mm 2.5


PostPosted: Mon May 10, 2021 12:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

hasenbein wrote:
The lens with the most beautiful, utterly smooth, low-contrast, painterly, cinema-lens-like out-of-focus backgrounds I have ever encountered is...
you won't guess it...
the Contax-Zeiss 28-85 f3.3-4 (namely at the long end).
That one is the real sleeper.


Yes! It's so nice and also quite subtle, found it perfect for "non-artistic" portraits etc. where you need at least f4-5.6
A great lens in general, if it just were a tiny bit more compact...

For "more" but still very smooth bokeh I'd take the Minolta MC/MD 85/1.7 or 100/2.5, the 100 is very underrated and sharp wide open. Personally I think 100mm is the perfect focal length portrait focal length but I use the 85 more since it's more flexible and pairs well with a 35mm.


Tamron 90/2.5 for smooth macro shots, works nicely with the 2x teleconverter which will result in a 180mm lens with 1:1 capability. See attached image below.


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PostPosted: Mon May 10, 2021 12:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't really have a category non-swirly lenses. When is a lens swirly anyway? Most lenses can have some amount of swirl.


PostPosted: Mon May 10, 2021 2:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

marius.zaech wrote:
hasenbein wrote:
The lens with the most beautiful, utterly smooth, low-contrast, painterly, cinema-lens-like out-of-focus backgrounds I have ever encountered is...
you won't guess it...
the Contax-Zeiss 28-85 f3.3-4 (namely at the long end).
That one is the real sleeper.


Yes! It's so nice and also quite subtle, found it perfect for "non-artistic" portraits etc. where you need at least f4-5.6
A great lens in general, if it just were a tiny bit more compact...

For "more" but still very smooth bokeh I'd take the Minolta MC/MD 85/1.7 or 100/2.5, the 100 is very underrated and sharp wide open. Personally I think 100mm is the perfect focal length portrait focal length but I use the 85 more since it's more flexible and pairs well with a 35mm.


Tamron 90/2.5 for smooth macro shots, works nicely with the 2x teleconverter which will result in a 180mm lens with 1:1 capability. See attached image below.


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I have the Tokina 90/2.5, hailed as the "Bokina" - it's a VERY sharp lens, but the bokeh is, outside of the macro distance range, actually just "meh" and not so smooth.


PostPosted: Mon May 10, 2021 4:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If we are talking about a twisted bokeh in the style of Helios, then I never liked it.

there were a lot of old fifty kopecks, I remember:
EBC Fujinon 50/1. 6 (bayonet version)
Canon FL 55/1. 2
Konica 50/1. 7 (a little soft)
Topcor 58/1. 8 (lemons on the periphery )

Now: Minolta mc 55/1. 7 (1.9), Pentax 55/1.8. For portraits, I really like Laowa 105/2. 0 (beautiful blur)
Laowa105
Катя by Сергей Пашнин, on Flickr


PostPosted: Mon May 10, 2021 5:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

jamaeolus wrote:
Minolta MC 100mm f2.


Yes!!!!!

The best of all the 100 mm lenses I have owned.


PostPosted: Mon May 10, 2021 5:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Cream bokeh for me.

MC ROKKOR 58/1,2 and 100/2.

They have something special thst I can't find in any of my newer sony GM, tamron and sigma AF lenses from 2020.

The MC 100/2 at f/4....very very nice bokeh, sharpness, contrast (only a bit green lateral CA).


PostPosted: Mon May 10, 2021 9:00 pm    Post subject: Re: Favorite non-swirly bokeh lenses? Reply with quote

QuickHitRecord wrote:
Everyone loves swirly bokeh, but what are some of your favorite lenses that don't swirl?

http://forum.mflenses.com/55-1-4-lens-in-5-groups-t81470.html#1535539


PostPosted: Tue May 11, 2021 5:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for all of the responses. I've been using a set of Nikkor AI-S primes (18mm 3.5, 28mm 2.8, 50mm 1.8, and 85mm 2.0) on and off for about ten years now for both photo and video. They are nice and definitely not swirly (my general preference), but it also feels like it may be time to try something new and perhaps with a little more retro character. There are lots of ideas in the posts above, so thanks again!


PostPosted: Tue May 11, 2021 5:21 am    Post subject: Re: Favorite non-swirly bokeh lenses? Reply with quote

Lightshow wrote:
QuickHitRecord wrote:
Everyone loves swirly bokeh, but what are some of your favorite lenses that don't swirl?

http://forum.mflenses.com/55-1-4-lens-in-5-groups-t81470.html#1535539


Thank you for this. It is a great starting point to learn about the various common optical schemes (something I know nothing about).


PostPosted: Tue May 11, 2021 8:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I usually prefer smooth non-swirley bokeh as well, especially for portraits and the occasional macro shooting. My preferred "bokeh" lenses for "real work" (not just testing) are the Minolta AF 2/100mm, the AF 2.8/200mm APO, the AF 2.8/300mm APO and the Canon 2.8/400mm L. I used to have the Minolta (Sony) STF 2.8[T4.5]/135mm, but I never got familiar with it - focusing on the Sony A900 was a pain, especially for portraits, and finally I sold it.

S


PostPosted: Tue May 11, 2021 10:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Any of the Dallmeyer Super Sixes



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PostPosted: Wed May 12, 2021 2:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

kymarto wrote:
Any of the Dallmeyer Super Sixes


I wish! They command the highest prices of any photography lenses I know of. But they do have a one-of-a-kind rendering. Your photos are beautiful!


PostPosted: Wed May 12, 2021 5:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I tried to find any others with a similar look, and finally spent a chunk of savings on one.


PostPosted: Wed May 12, 2021 3:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's unfortunate that they are so expensive, I'd love to try one out.