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QuickHitRecord
Joined: 07 Aug 2013 Posts: 19 Location: Portland, OR
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Posted: Sat May 08, 2021 2:04 am Post subject: Favorite non-swirly bokeh lenses? |
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QuickHitRecord wrote:
Everyone loves swirly bokeh, but what are some of your favorite lenses that don't swirl? |
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calvin83
Joined: 12 Apr 2009 Posts: 7555 Location: Hong Kong
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Posted: Sat May 08, 2021 3:00 am Post subject: |
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calvin83 wrote:
It depends on the situation
Doughnut: Reflex lens
Bubble: Triplets(Trioplan) and etc.
Swirly: Biotar/Helios/Petzval and etc.
Gaussian: STF lenses
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cooltouch
Joined: 15 Jan 2009 Posts: 9098 Location: Houston, Texas
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Posted: Sat May 08, 2021 4:19 am Post subject: |
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cooltouch wrote:
My favorite non-swirly bokeh lenses are two of my Canons: FD 55mm f/1.2 SSC and FD 85mm f/1.2 SSC Aspherical
They're a lot of fun to shoot with wide open, but they can also be a challenge. The depth of field is so shallow that I really have to pay attention to my back and forth movement while focusing, because the least amount of movement on my part can result in an out-of-focus shot. _________________ Michael
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Oldhand
Joined: 01 Apr 2013 Posts: 5996 Location: Mid North Coast NSW - Australia
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Posted: Sat May 08, 2021 10:43 am Post subject: |
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Oldhand wrote:
In order of focal length:
On APSc:
Canon 50mm f1.4 LTM
Rollei HFT Planar 50mm f1.8
Super-Takumar 55mm f1.8
RE Auto Topcor 5.8cm f1.8
Sankyo Kohki Super-Komura 100mm f2.5
On Full Frame:
Sigma Art 50mm f1.4 (an AF lens I know)
Voigtlander Nokton 58mm f1.4
Super-Takumar 85mm f1.9
Sankyo Kohki Super-Komura 100mm f2.5
Sankyo Kohki Super-Komura 135mm f2.8
And one that I would love to own but never will
P.Angenieux 50mm f1.8
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tb_a
Joined: 26 Jan 2010 Posts: 3678 Location: Austria
Expire: 2019-08-28
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Posted: Sat May 08, 2021 12:11 pm Post subject: Re: Favorite non-swirly bokeh lenses? |
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tb_a wrote:
QuickHitRecord wrote: |
Everyone loves swirly bokeh, but what are some of your favorite lenses that don't swirl? |
Not everyone. I HATE swirly bokeh....
I LOVE soft and creamy bokeh.
There are many lenses which provide that. Can't really say whether I have a favorite one.
Minolta MC 58/1.2 and 85/1.7 come to my mind but there are many more.... _________________ Thomas Bernardy
Manual focus lenses mainly from Minolta, Pentax, Voigtlaender, Leitz, Topcon and from Russia (too many to be listed here). |
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KEO
Joined: 27 Sep 2018 Posts: 767 Location: USA
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Posted: Sat May 08, 2021 6:32 pm Post subject: |
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KEO wrote:
ED Nikkor 180mm 2.8
Leica 90mm Elmarit 2.8 |
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hasenbein
Joined: 15 May 2020 Posts: 93
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Posted: Sun May 09, 2021 4:34 am Post subject: |
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hasenbein wrote:
The lens with the most beautiful, utterly smooth, low-contrast, painterly, cinema-lens-like out-of-focus backgrounds I have ever encountered is...
you won't guess it...
the Contax-Zeiss 28-85 f3.3-4 (namely at the long end).
That one is the real sleeper. |
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Arkku
Joined: 28 Feb 2007 Posts: 1416 Location: Helsinki, Finland
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Posted: Sun May 09, 2021 10:51 am Post subject: |
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Arkku wrote:
Off the top of my head:
* Sony/Minolta STF 135mm f/2.8 t/4.5
* Steinheil-München Quinar 135mm f/2.8
* EBC Fujinon 50mm f/1.4
(The last may be a bit oval shaped wide open but nothing like the actual swirly bokeh lenses.) |
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jamaeolus
Joined: 19 Mar 2014 Posts: 2946 Location: Eugene
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Posted: Sun May 09, 2021 5:23 pm Post subject: |
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jamaeolus wrote:
Minolta MC 100mm f2. _________________ photos are moments frozen in time |
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BurstMox
Joined: 04 Dec 2011 Posts: 1998 Location: France
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Posted: Sun May 09, 2021 8:19 pm Post subject: |
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BurstMox wrote:
Zenitar 50/1.7 _________________ Pierre
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blotafton
Joined: 08 Aug 2013 Posts: 1572 Location: Sweden
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Posted: Sun May 09, 2021 10:15 pm Post subject: |
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blotafton wrote:
Diaplan 100mm 2.8
Planar 50mm 1.4
Rollei Planar 50mm 1.8
MD Rokkor 100mm 2.5 |
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marius.zaech
Joined: 27 Jan 2021 Posts: 53 Location: Switzerland
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Posted: Mon May 10, 2021 12:14 pm Post subject: |
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marius.zaech wrote:
hasenbein wrote: |
The lens with the most beautiful, utterly smooth, low-contrast, painterly, cinema-lens-like out-of-focus backgrounds I have ever encountered is...
you won't guess it...
the Contax-Zeiss 28-85 f3.3-4 (namely at the long end).
That one is the real sleeper. |
Yes! It's so nice and also quite subtle, found it perfect for "non-artistic" portraits etc. where you need at least f4-5.6
A great lens in general, if it just were a tiny bit more compact...
For "more" but still very smooth bokeh I'd take the Minolta MC/MD 85/1.7 or 100/2.5, the 100 is very underrated and sharp wide open. Personally I think 100mm is the perfect focal length portrait focal length but I use the 85 more since it's more flexible and pairs well with a 35mm.
Tamron 90/2.5 for smooth macro shots, works nicely with the 2x teleconverter which will result in a 180mm lens with 1:1 capability. See attached image below.
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D1N0
Joined: 07 Aug 2012 Posts: 2523
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Posted: Mon May 10, 2021 12:54 pm Post subject: |
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D1N0 wrote:
I don't really have a category non-swirly lenses. When is a lens swirly anyway? Most lenses can have some amount of swirl. _________________ pentaxian |
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hasenbein
Joined: 15 May 2020 Posts: 93
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Posted: Mon May 10, 2021 2:00 pm Post subject: |
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hasenbein wrote:
marius.zaech wrote: |
hasenbein wrote: |
The lens with the most beautiful, utterly smooth, low-contrast, painterly, cinema-lens-like out-of-focus backgrounds I have ever encountered is...
you won't guess it...
the Contax-Zeiss 28-85 f3.3-4 (namely at the long end).
That one is the real sleeper. |
Yes! It's so nice and also quite subtle, found it perfect for "non-artistic" portraits etc. where you need at least f4-5.6
A great lens in general, if it just were a tiny bit more compact...
For "more" but still very smooth bokeh I'd take the Minolta MC/MD 85/1.7 or 100/2.5, the 100 is very underrated and sharp wide open. Personally I think 100mm is the perfect focal length portrait focal length but I use the 85 more since it's more flexible and pairs well with a 35mm.
Tamron 90/2.5 for smooth macro shots, works nicely with the 2x teleconverter which will result in a 180mm lens with 1:1 capability. See attached image below.
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I have the Tokina 90/2.5, hailed as the "Bokina" - it's a VERY sharp lens, but the bokeh is, outside of the macro distance range, actually just "meh" and not so smooth. |
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sergun
Joined: 01 Jun 2017 Posts: 287 Location: наша раша
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Posted: Mon May 10, 2021 4:50 pm Post subject: |
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sergun wrote:
If we are talking about a twisted bokeh in the style of Helios, then I never liked it.
there were a lot of old fifty kopecks, I remember:
EBC Fujinon 50/1. 6 (bayonet version)
Canon FL 55/1. 2
Konica 50/1. 7 (a little soft)
Topcor 58/1. 8 (lemons on the periphery )
Now: Minolta mc 55/1. 7 (1.9), Pentax 55/1.8. For portraits, I really like Laowa 105/2. 0 (beautiful blur)
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papasito
Joined: 09 Jan 2015 Posts: 1659
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Posted: Mon May 10, 2021 5:21 pm Post subject: |
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papasito wrote:
jamaeolus wrote: |
Minolta MC 100mm f2. |
Yes!!!!!
The best of all the 100 mm lenses I have owned. |
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papasito
Joined: 09 Jan 2015 Posts: 1659
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Posted: Mon May 10, 2021 5:26 pm Post subject: |
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papasito wrote:
Cream bokeh for me.
MC ROKKOR 58/1,2 and 100/2.
They have something special thst I can't find in any of my newer sony GM, tamron and sigma AF lenses from 2020.
The MC 100/2 at f/4....very very nice bokeh, sharpness, contrast (only a bit green lateral CA). |
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Lightshow
Joined: 04 Nov 2011 Posts: 3666 Location: Calgary
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Posted: Mon May 10, 2021 9:00 pm Post subject: Re: Favorite non-swirly bokeh lenses? |
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Lightshow wrote:
QuickHitRecord wrote: |
Everyone loves swirly bokeh, but what are some of your favorite lenses that don't swirl? |
http://forum.mflenses.com/55-1-4-lens-in-5-groups-t81470.html#1535539 _________________ A Manual Focus Junky...
One photographers junk lens is an artists favorite tool.
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QuickHitRecord
Joined: 07 Aug 2013 Posts: 19 Location: Portland, OR
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Posted: Tue May 11, 2021 5:05 am Post subject: |
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QuickHitRecord wrote:
Thanks for all of the responses. I've been using a set of Nikkor AI-S primes (18mm 3.5, 28mm 2.8, 50mm 1.8, and 85mm 2.0) on and off for about ten years now for both photo and video. They are nice and definitely not swirly (my general preference), but it also feels like it may be time to try something new and perhaps with a little more retro character. There are lots of ideas in the posts above, so thanks again! |
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QuickHitRecord
Joined: 07 Aug 2013 Posts: 19 Location: Portland, OR
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Posted: Tue May 11, 2021 5:21 am Post subject: Re: Favorite non-swirly bokeh lenses? |
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QuickHitRecord wrote:
Thank you for this. It is a great starting point to learn about the various common optical schemes (something I know nothing about). |
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stevemark
Joined: 29 Apr 2011 Posts: 3773 Location: Switzerland
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Posted: Tue May 11, 2021 8:16 pm Post subject: |
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stevemark wrote:
I usually prefer smooth non-swirley bokeh as well, especially for portraits and the occasional macro shooting. My preferred "bokeh" lenses for "real work" (not just testing) are the Minolta AF 2/100mm, the AF 2.8/200mm APO, the AF 2.8/300mm APO and the Canon 2.8/400mm L. I used to have the Minolta (Sony) STF 2.8[T4.5]/135mm, but I never got familiar with it - focusing on the Sony A900 was a pain, especially for portraits, and finally I sold it.
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kymarto
Joined: 30 Nov 2016 Posts: 406 Location: Portland, OR and Milan, Italy
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Posted: Tue May 11, 2021 10:09 pm Post subject: |
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kymarto wrote:
Any of the Dallmeyer Super Sixes
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QuickHitRecord
Joined: 07 Aug 2013 Posts: 19 Location: Portland, OR
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Posted: Wed May 12, 2021 2:32 am Post subject: |
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QuickHitRecord wrote:
kymarto wrote: |
Any of the Dallmeyer Super Sixes |
I wish! They command the highest prices of any photography lenses I know of. But they do have a one-of-a-kind rendering. Your photos are beautiful! |
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kymarto
Joined: 30 Nov 2016 Posts: 406 Location: Portland, OR and Milan, Italy
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Posted: Wed May 12, 2021 5:39 am Post subject: |
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kymarto wrote:
I tried to find any others with a similar look, and finally spent a chunk of savings on one. _________________ Vintage lens aficionado |
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Lightshow
Joined: 04 Nov 2011 Posts: 3666 Location: Calgary
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Posted: Wed May 12, 2021 3:56 pm Post subject: |
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Lightshow wrote:
It's unfortunate that they are so expensive, I'd love to try one out. _________________ A Manual Focus Junky...
One photographers junk lens is an artists favorite tool.
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