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CarbonR
Joined: 31 Dec 2008 Posts: 1969 Location: Clermont-Ferrand, France
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Posted: Tue Dec 08, 2020 8:32 pm Post subject: Irix lenses - first impressions |
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CarbonR wrote:
My first feelings about the Irix firefly lenses (11/4 and 15/2.4) :
- Clic at infinity on the focusing ring is a good idea
- Feeling of focus ring is horrible compared to Takumar and clearly behind Samyangs. Not unusable, but nothing silk smooth. OK for UWA lenses, we do not use focus ring a lot. It may be better on blackstone versions.
- The bag is not very practical and will not protect against anything rough.
- Filter thread of the 15/2.4 would be better 1-2mm away. I have the feeling of scratching the front lens when screwing a filter.
- Metal box looks good, but only at unboxing. I am not sure of its utility out of unboxing pleasure. I would have prefered a rigid case instead of the metal box.
To summary, it is not top quality finish when compared to Samyangs (which are far beyond Takumars). If you only look for the functionnality of the lenses (like I was for a 11mm lens or 15mm lens with filter thread), they will be enough, otherwise if you love beautiful items, go for blackstone versions.
To better see what a 11mm lens is capable, three photos at the same point of view, drivers seat set at a normal position :
24mm is a good telephoto lens ! _________________ Cameras : Canon 5D, Pentax K100D, Pentax 6x7, Spotmatic
Lenses : 15mm to 1000mm (24x36)
My websites : [FR & ENG]Takumar - the eyes of the Spotmatic : info about all Takumar lenses // Kogaku - My photo site
I am selling : Takumar lenses and rare Pentax bodies, pm me if you're interested in something [MFLenses feed-back]
Information on Takumar lenses with samples :
Wide angle : Takumar 15/3.5 15mm, Takumar 17/4 17mm, Takumar 18/11 18mm, Takumar 20/4.5 20mm, Takumar 24/3.5 24mm, Takumar 28/3.5 V1 28mm, Takumar 28/3.5 V2 28mm, Takumar 35/2 V1 35mm, Takumar 35/2 V2 35mm, Takumar 35/2.3 35mm, Takumar 35/3.5 35mm, Takumar 35/4 35mm
Standard : Takumar 50/1.4 V1 50mm, Takumar 50/1.4 V2 50mm, Takumar 50/3.5 50mm, Takumar 50/4 50mm, Takumar 55/2 55/1.8 55mm, Takumar 55/2.2 V1 55mm, Takumar 55/2.2 V2 55mm, Takumar 58/2 58mm, Takumar 58/2.4 58mm
Short tele : Takumar 83/1.9 83mm, Takumar 85/1.8 85/1.9 85mm, Takumar 85/1.8 85mm, Takumar 100/2 100mm, Takumar 100/3.5 100mm, Takumar 100/4 100mm, Takumar 105/2.8 V1 105mm, Takumar 105/2.8 V2 105mm, Takumar 120/2.8 120mm
Telephoto : Takumar 135/2.5 V1 135mm, Takumar 135/2.5 V2 135mm, Takumar 135/3.5 V1 135mm, Takumar 135/3.5 V2 135mm, Takumar 150/4 V1 150mm, Takumar 150/4 V2 150mm
Long tele : Takumar 200/3.5 200mm, Takumar 200/4 200mm, Takumar 200/5.6 200mm, Takumar 300/4 V1 300mm, Takumar 300/4 V2 300mm, Takumar 300/4 V3 300mm, Takumar 300/6.3 300mm, Takumar 400/5.6 400mm, Takumar 500/4.5 500mm, Takumar 500/5 500mm, Takumar 1000/8 V1 1000mm, Takumar 1000/8 V2 1000mm
Zoom : Zoom-Takumar 45~125/4 , Zoom-Takumar 70~150/4.5 , Zoom-Takumar 85~210/4.5 , Zoom-Takumar 135~600/6.7
Achromatic : Ultra-Achromatic-Takumar 85/4.5 , Ultra-Achromatic-Takumar 300/5.6 300mm |
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55
Joined: 13 May 2013 Posts: 712 Location: U.S.
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Posted: Wed Dec 09, 2020 7:23 am Post subject: |
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55 wrote:
Thanks for sharing your insights, CarbonR.
I don't know much about Irix, but I know for certain the emergence of Korean lens makers has been a blessing for those of us who enjoy using manual focus prime lenses! |
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caspert79
Joined: 31 Oct 2010 Posts: 3193 Location: The Netherlands
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Posted: Wed Dec 09, 2020 10:08 am Post subject: |
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caspert79 wrote:
What about this rumour?
https://photorumors.com/2016/10/07/is-samyang-behind-the-irix-lens-brand/ |
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CarbonR
Joined: 31 Dec 2008 Posts: 1969 Location: Clermont-Ferrand, France
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Posted: Wed Dec 09, 2020 10:38 am Post subject: |
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CarbonR wrote:
A site full of rumors, a news from 2016... I am not convinced. Samyang might be the producer, but this does not change anything for the lenses : a producer produces what its client asks.And the client would in this case be Irix. _________________ Cameras : Canon 5D, Pentax K100D, Pentax 6x7, Spotmatic
Lenses : 15mm to 1000mm (24x36)
My websites : [FR & ENG]Takumar - the eyes of the Spotmatic : info about all Takumar lenses // Kogaku - My photo site
I am selling : Takumar lenses and rare Pentax bodies, pm me if you're interested in something [MFLenses feed-back]
Information on Takumar lenses with samples :
Wide angle : Takumar 15/3.5 15mm, Takumar 17/4 17mm, Takumar 18/11 18mm, Takumar 20/4.5 20mm, Takumar 24/3.5 24mm, Takumar 28/3.5 V1 28mm, Takumar 28/3.5 V2 28mm, Takumar 35/2 V1 35mm, Takumar 35/2 V2 35mm, Takumar 35/2.3 35mm, Takumar 35/3.5 35mm, Takumar 35/4 35mm
Standard : Takumar 50/1.4 V1 50mm, Takumar 50/1.4 V2 50mm, Takumar 50/3.5 50mm, Takumar 50/4 50mm, Takumar 55/2 55/1.8 55mm, Takumar 55/2.2 V1 55mm, Takumar 55/2.2 V2 55mm, Takumar 58/2 58mm, Takumar 58/2.4 58mm
Short tele : Takumar 83/1.9 83mm, Takumar 85/1.8 85/1.9 85mm, Takumar 85/1.8 85mm, Takumar 100/2 100mm, Takumar 100/3.5 100mm, Takumar 100/4 100mm, Takumar 105/2.8 V1 105mm, Takumar 105/2.8 V2 105mm, Takumar 120/2.8 120mm
Telephoto : Takumar 135/2.5 V1 135mm, Takumar 135/2.5 V2 135mm, Takumar 135/3.5 V1 135mm, Takumar 135/3.5 V2 135mm, Takumar 150/4 V1 150mm, Takumar 150/4 V2 150mm
Long tele : Takumar 200/3.5 200mm, Takumar 200/4 200mm, Takumar 200/5.6 200mm, Takumar 300/4 V1 300mm, Takumar 300/4 V2 300mm, Takumar 300/4 V3 300mm, Takumar 300/6.3 300mm, Takumar 400/5.6 400mm, Takumar 500/4.5 500mm, Takumar 500/5 500mm, Takumar 1000/8 V1 1000mm, Takumar 1000/8 V2 1000mm
Zoom : Zoom-Takumar 45~125/4 , Zoom-Takumar 70~150/4.5 , Zoom-Takumar 85~210/4.5 , Zoom-Takumar 135~600/6.7
Achromatic : Ultra-Achromatic-Takumar 85/4.5 , Ultra-Achromatic-Takumar 300/5.6 300mm |
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stevemark
Joined: 29 Apr 2011 Posts: 3979 Location: Switzerland
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Posted: Wed Dec 09, 2020 1:38 pm Post subject: |
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stevemark wrote:
Some years ago, when they started selling lenses, they made a lot of noise about being a "Swiss" company.
Their website stated that their headquarter would be in Luzern / Switzerland.
Since I happen to live in Luzern, I checked the adress, and of course there was nothing.
Something was smelling fishy right away.
These days, their website says "TH Swiss AG, Switzerland". No adress, no phone number, nothing.
If you dig a little bit deeper, you'll find official infomation of the Kanton of Zug [Swiss state] about "TH Swiss AG":
https://zg.chregister.ch/cr-portal/auszug/auszug.xhtml?uid=CHE-319.054.092#
Their adress now is is in Baar, near Zug; however it's not their real adress - but just a "c/o" at a real Swiss company which sells "representative business adresses" (virtual adresses) for as little as CHF 400.-- per month:
https://www.companyplace.ch/#schnellkontakt
Actually the Swiss national TV has covered their not-so-Swiss business model:
https://www.srf.ch/sendungen/kassensturz-espresso/schweizer-hersteller-liefert-aus-dem-ausland
The only "real" name publicly known is this polish guy (from the above official website of Kanton Zug [Swiss state]):
Adamczyk, Hubert Grzegorz, polnischer Staatsangehöriger, in Krakau (PL), Präsident des Verwaltungsrates
So probably it's a Polish guy who buys the lenses somwhere in South Korea and sells/sends them from Poland to all over the world.
I hope you get it.
S _________________ www.artaphot.ch |
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calvin83
Joined: 12 Apr 2009 Posts: 7557 Location: Hong Kong
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Posted: Wed Dec 09, 2020 2:26 pm Post subject: |
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calvin83 wrote:
stevemark wrote: |
Some years ago, when they started selling lenses, they made a lot of noise about being a "Swiss" company.
Their website stated that their headquarter would be in Luzern / Switzerland.
Since I happen to live in Luzern, I checked the adress, and of course there was nothing.
Something was smelling fishy right away.
These days, their website says "TH Swiss AG, Switzerland". No adress, no phone number, nothing.
If you dig a little bit deeper, you'll find official infomation of the Kanton of Zug [Swiss state] about "TH Swiss AG":
https://zg.chregister.ch/cr-portal/auszug/auszug.xhtml?uid=CHE-319.054.092#
Their adress now is is in Baar, near Zug; however it's not their real adress - but just a "c/o" at a real Swiss company which sells "representative business adresses" (virtual adresses) for as little as CHF 400.-- per month:
https://www.companyplace.ch/#schnellkontakt
Actually the Swiss national TV has covered their not-so-Swiss business model:
https://www.srf.ch/sendungen/kassensturz-espresso/schweizer-hersteller-liefert-aus-dem-ausland
The only "real" name publicly known is this polish guy (from the above official website of Kanton Zug [Swiss state]):
Adamczyk, Hubert Grzegorz, polnischer Staatsangehöriger, in Krakau (PL), Präsident des Verwaltungsrates
So probably it's a Polish guy who buys the lenses somwhere in South Korea and sells/sends them from Poland to all over the world.
I hope you get it.
S |
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CarbonR
Joined: 31 Dec 2008 Posts: 1969 Location: Clermont-Ferrand, France
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Posted: Wed Dec 09, 2020 2:59 pm Post subject: |
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CarbonR wrote:
And I would say... no matter the lens is designed by a famous french/swiss designer, a young trainee in india, or a siberian on its horse. This will not change the lens performance, all of them can produce the same optical formula. _________________ Cameras : Canon 5D, Pentax K100D, Pentax 6x7, Spotmatic
Lenses : 15mm to 1000mm (24x36)
My websites : [FR & ENG]Takumar - the eyes of the Spotmatic : info about all Takumar lenses // Kogaku - My photo site
I am selling : Takumar lenses and rare Pentax bodies, pm me if you're interested in something [MFLenses feed-back]
Information on Takumar lenses with samples :
Wide angle : Takumar 15/3.5 15mm, Takumar 17/4 17mm, Takumar 18/11 18mm, Takumar 20/4.5 20mm, Takumar 24/3.5 24mm, Takumar 28/3.5 V1 28mm, Takumar 28/3.5 V2 28mm, Takumar 35/2 V1 35mm, Takumar 35/2 V2 35mm, Takumar 35/2.3 35mm, Takumar 35/3.5 35mm, Takumar 35/4 35mm
Standard : Takumar 50/1.4 V1 50mm, Takumar 50/1.4 V2 50mm, Takumar 50/3.5 50mm, Takumar 50/4 50mm, Takumar 55/2 55/1.8 55mm, Takumar 55/2.2 V1 55mm, Takumar 55/2.2 V2 55mm, Takumar 58/2 58mm, Takumar 58/2.4 58mm
Short tele : Takumar 83/1.9 83mm, Takumar 85/1.8 85/1.9 85mm, Takumar 85/1.8 85mm, Takumar 100/2 100mm, Takumar 100/3.5 100mm, Takumar 100/4 100mm, Takumar 105/2.8 V1 105mm, Takumar 105/2.8 V2 105mm, Takumar 120/2.8 120mm
Telephoto : Takumar 135/2.5 V1 135mm, Takumar 135/2.5 V2 135mm, Takumar 135/3.5 V1 135mm, Takumar 135/3.5 V2 135mm, Takumar 150/4 V1 150mm, Takumar 150/4 V2 150mm
Long tele : Takumar 200/3.5 200mm, Takumar 200/4 200mm, Takumar 200/5.6 200mm, Takumar 300/4 V1 300mm, Takumar 300/4 V2 300mm, Takumar 300/4 V3 300mm, Takumar 300/6.3 300mm, Takumar 400/5.6 400mm, Takumar 500/4.5 500mm, Takumar 500/5 500mm, Takumar 1000/8 V1 1000mm, Takumar 1000/8 V2 1000mm
Zoom : Zoom-Takumar 45~125/4 , Zoom-Takumar 70~150/4.5 , Zoom-Takumar 85~210/4.5 , Zoom-Takumar 135~600/6.7
Achromatic : Ultra-Achromatic-Takumar 85/4.5 , Ultra-Achromatic-Takumar 300/5.6 300mm |
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stevemark
Joined: 29 Apr 2011 Posts: 3979 Location: Switzerland
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Posted: Wed Dec 09, 2020 6:38 pm Post subject: |
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stevemark wrote:
CarbonR wrote: |
And I would say... no matter the lens is designed by a famous french/swiss designer, a young trainee in india, or a siberian on its horse. This will not change the lens performance, all of them can produce the same optical formula. |
Maybe. Maybe not.
However, if the Siberian on its horse is doing his things properly, there's no need to to put a "Swiss" sticker on his horses droppings.
The amount of "Swissness" to be found in theses Irix lenses certainly is close to nothing: The Irix guy didn't respond to any inquiry of the Swiss National TV. If he was honest, he certainly would have made his point, being very happy about all that free advertising ...
Of course that doesn't say anything about the quality of the Irix lenses. It seems reasonable to assume some"one" like Samyang being behind those lenses. However, I really prefer the Laowa / Venus lenses approach. They don't pretend, but they try to be honest, and to create a good reputation by hard work.
That said, I'm genuinly curious to hear about your new Irix lenses performance and haptics!
Stephan _________________ www.artaphot.ch |
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iangreenhalgh1
Joined: 18 Mar 2011 Posts: 15679
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Posted: Wed Dec 09, 2020 6:50 pm Post subject: |
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iangreenhalgh1 wrote:
CarbonR wrote: |
And I would say... no matter the lens is designed by a famous french/swiss designer, a young trainee in india, or a siberian on its horse. This will not change the lens performance, all of them can produce the same optical formula. |
Exactly. Ignore trolls and enjoy your lenses. _________________ I don't care who designed it, who made it or what country it comes from - I just enjoy using it! |
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visualopsins
Joined: 05 Mar 2009 Posts: 11009 Location: California
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visualopsins wrote:
compte bancaire suisse _________________ ☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮ like attracts like! ☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮
Cameras: Sony ILCE-7RM2, Spotmatics II, F, and ESII, Nikon P4
Lenses:
M42 Asahi Optical Co., Takumar 1:4 f=35mm, 1:2 f=58mm (Sonnar), 1:2.4 f=58mm (Heliar), 1:2.2 f=55mm (Gaussian), 1:2.8 f=105mm (Model I), 1:2.8/105 (Model II), 1:5.6/200, Tele-Takumar 1:5.6/200, 1:6.3/300, Macro-Takumar 1:4/50, Auto-Takumar 1:2.3 f=35, 1:1.8 f=55mm, 1:2.2 f=55mm, Super-TAKUMAR 1:3.5/28 (fat), 1:2/35 (Fat), 1:1.4/50 (8-element), Super-Multi-Coated Fisheye-TAKUMAR 1:4/17, Super-Multi-Coated TAKUMAR 1:4.5/20, 1:3.5/24, 1:3.5/28, 1:2/35, 1:3.5/35, 1:1.8/85, 1:1.9/85 1:2.8/105, 1:3.5/135, 1:2.5/135 (II), 1:4/150, 1:4/200, 1:4/300, 1:4.5/500, Super-Multi-Coated Macro-TAKUMAR 1:4/50, 1:4/100, Super-Multi-Coated Bellows-TAKUMAR 1:4/100, SMC TAKUMAR 1:1.4/50, 1:1.8/55
M42 Carl Zeiss Jena Flektogon 2.4/35
Contax Carl Zeiss Vario-Sonnar T* 28-70mm F3.5-4.5
Pentax K-mount SMC PENTAX-A ZOOM 1:3.5 35~105mm, SMC PENTAX ZOOM 1:4 45~125mm
Nikon Micro-NIKKOR-P-C Auto 1:3.5 f=55mm, NIKKOR-P Auto 105mm f/2.5 Pre-AI (Sonnar), Micro-NIKKOR 105mm 1:4 AI, NIKKOR AI-S 35-135mm f/3,5-4,5
Tamron SP 17mm f/3.5 (51B), Tamron SP 17mm f/3.5 (151B), SP 500mm f/8 (55BB), SP 70-210mm f/3.5 (19AH)
Vivitar 100mm 1:2.8 MC 1:1 Macro Telephoto (Kiron)
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stevemark
Joined: 29 Apr 2011 Posts: 3979 Location: Switzerland
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Posted: Wed Dec 09, 2020 8:14 pm Post subject: |
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stevemark wrote:
iangreenhalgh1 wrote: |
Exactly. Ignore trolls and enjoy your lenses. |
Yep. Don't feed the trolls - just ignore them
S _________________ www.artaphot.ch |
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CarbonR
Joined: 31 Dec 2008 Posts: 1969 Location: Clermont-Ferrand, France
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Posted: Wed Dec 09, 2020 9:06 pm Post subject: |
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CarbonR wrote:
I quickly tested the lenses out today. The hood of the 15/2.4 does not fit correctly (not totally screwed) and thus is visible on photos. And the exifs show a 11/4 lens. Weirds, bad quality check or conception.
Both lenses seem to be at least at the level of the Sammyang 14/2.8 and Takumar 15/3.5. The 15/2.4 seem a bit better than the 11/4 which needs to be stopped down to have a consistent sharpness on all the picture. And th focusing ring of both lenses have a feeling like if every part was in plastic with goor grease. It would be an absolutely no-go for a lens that require precise and/or fast focus. It is acceptable for me on ultra wide angle lenses.
11/4 @f/4 :
11/4 @f/5.6 :
No pictures at infinity yet, they are not showable on internet.
I am waiting for the "great test". I bet that the lenses will be enough for what I want to do with them. Of course I could have better options (Samyang 10/3.5 and Laowa 15/4 shift+macro) but the Irix are the cheapest ultra wide angle solutions, with the Samyang 14/2.8. _________________ Cameras : Canon 5D, Pentax K100D, Pentax 6x7, Spotmatic
Lenses : 15mm to 1000mm (24x36)
My websites : [FR & ENG]Takumar - the eyes of the Spotmatic : info about all Takumar lenses // Kogaku - My photo site
I am selling : Takumar lenses and rare Pentax bodies, pm me if you're interested in something [MFLenses feed-back]
Information on Takumar lenses with samples :
Wide angle : Takumar 15/3.5 15mm, Takumar 17/4 17mm, Takumar 18/11 18mm, Takumar 20/4.5 20mm, Takumar 24/3.5 24mm, Takumar 28/3.5 V1 28mm, Takumar 28/3.5 V2 28mm, Takumar 35/2 V1 35mm, Takumar 35/2 V2 35mm, Takumar 35/2.3 35mm, Takumar 35/3.5 35mm, Takumar 35/4 35mm
Standard : Takumar 50/1.4 V1 50mm, Takumar 50/1.4 V2 50mm, Takumar 50/3.5 50mm, Takumar 50/4 50mm, Takumar 55/2 55/1.8 55mm, Takumar 55/2.2 V1 55mm, Takumar 55/2.2 V2 55mm, Takumar 58/2 58mm, Takumar 58/2.4 58mm
Short tele : Takumar 83/1.9 83mm, Takumar 85/1.8 85/1.9 85mm, Takumar 85/1.8 85mm, Takumar 100/2 100mm, Takumar 100/3.5 100mm, Takumar 100/4 100mm, Takumar 105/2.8 V1 105mm, Takumar 105/2.8 V2 105mm, Takumar 120/2.8 120mm
Telephoto : Takumar 135/2.5 V1 135mm, Takumar 135/2.5 V2 135mm, Takumar 135/3.5 V1 135mm, Takumar 135/3.5 V2 135mm, Takumar 150/4 V1 150mm, Takumar 150/4 V2 150mm
Long tele : Takumar 200/3.5 200mm, Takumar 200/4 200mm, Takumar 200/5.6 200mm, Takumar 300/4 V1 300mm, Takumar 300/4 V2 300mm, Takumar 300/4 V3 300mm, Takumar 300/6.3 300mm, Takumar 400/5.6 400mm, Takumar 500/4.5 500mm, Takumar 500/5 500mm, Takumar 1000/8 V1 1000mm, Takumar 1000/8 V2 1000mm
Zoom : Zoom-Takumar 45~125/4 , Zoom-Takumar 70~150/4.5 , Zoom-Takumar 85~210/4.5 , Zoom-Takumar 135~600/6.7
Achromatic : Ultra-Achromatic-Takumar 85/4.5 , Ultra-Achromatic-Takumar 300/5.6 300mm |
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Alsatian2017
Joined: 05 Mar 2018 Posts: 239
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Posted: Sat Dec 12, 2020 6:22 pm Post subject: |
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Alsatian2017 wrote:
CarbonR wrote: |
I quickly tested the lenses out today. The hood of the 15/2.4 does not fit correctly (not totally screwed) and thus is visible on photos. And the exifs show a 11/4 lens. Weirds, bad quality check or conception.
Both lenses seem to be at least at the level of the Sammyang 14/2.8 and Takumar 15/3.5. The 15/2.4 seem a bit better than the 11/4 which needs to be stopped down to have a consistent sharpness on all the picture. And th focusing ring of both lenses have a feeling like if every part was in plastic with goor grease. It would be an absolutely no-go for a lens that require precise and/or fast focus. It is acceptable for me on ultra wide angle lenses.
11/4 @f/4 :
11/4 @f/5.6 :
No pictures at infinity yet, they are not showable on internet.
I am waiting for the "great test". I bet that the lenses will be enough for what I want to do with them. Of course I could have better options (Samyang 10/3.5 and Laowa 15/4 shift+macro) but the Irix are the cheapest ultra wide angle solutions, with the Samyang 14/2.8. |
I've got no intention to rain on your parade but the two images you posted look a little bit like those I've recently taken through a cheap fish-eye adapter from the 1980's - the resolution outside the center is just abysmally bad. You've mentioned the Samyang 14 mm f/2,8 and I can assure you that my sample is perfectly useable (with sharp corners) from wide open. I fear that your lens is defective...
Best regards
Volker |
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Alsatian2017
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Posted: Sat Dec 12, 2020 6:26 pm Post subject: |
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Alsatian2017 wrote:
stevemark wrote: |
Some years ago, when they started selling lenses, they made a lot of noise about being a "Swiss" company.
Their website stated that their headquarter would be in Luzern / Switzerland.
Since I happen to live in Luzern, I checked the adress, and of course there was nothing.
Something was smelling fishy right away.
These days, their website says "TH Swiss AG, Switzerland". No adress, no phone number, nothing.
If you dig a little bit deeper, you'll find official infomation of the Kanton of Zug [Swiss state] about "TH Swiss AG":
https://zg.chregister.ch/cr-portal/auszug/auszug.xhtml?uid=CHE-319.054.092#
Their adress now is is in Baar, near Zug; however it's not their real adress - but just a "c/o" at a real Swiss company which sells "representative business adresses" (virtual adresses) for as little as CHF 400.-- per month:
https://www.companyplace.ch/#schnellkontakt
Actually the Swiss national TV has covered their not-so-Swiss business model:
https://www.srf.ch/sendungen/kassensturz-espresso/schweizer-hersteller-liefert-aus-dem-ausland
The only "real" name publicly known is this polish guy (from the above official website of Kanton Zug [Swiss state]):
Adamczyk, Hubert Grzegorz, polnischer Staatsangehöriger, in Krakau (PL), Präsident des Verwaltungsrates
So probably it's a Polish guy who buys the lenses somwhere in South Korea and sells/sends them from Poland to all over the world.
I hope you get it.
S |
Hello Stephan, thanks for the information, trustworthy as usual. I loved the Schwyzerdütsch in the "Kassensturz"- Reportage - it was delicious
Best regards
Volker |
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Blazer0ne
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CarbonR
Joined: 31 Dec 2008 Posts: 1969 Location: Clermont-Ferrand, France
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CarbonR wrote:
Alsatian2017 wrote: |
I've got no intention to rain on your parade but the two images you posted look a little bit like those I've recently taken through a cheap fish-eye adapter from the 1980's - the resolution outside the center is just abysmally bad. You've mentioned the Samyang 14 mm f/2,8 and I can assure you that my sample is perfectly useable (with sharp corners) from wide open. I fear that your lens is defective...
Best regards
Volker |
Did you hear about "depth of field" concept ? These shots were at f/4 and f/5.6...
Yes it has a wild bokeh, but sharpness seen at 100% is totally acceptable. That's an UWA lens, we cannot expect the quality of the red L lens with a more standard focal. _________________ Cameras : Canon 5D, Pentax K100D, Pentax 6x7, Spotmatic
Lenses : 15mm to 1000mm (24x36)
My websites : [FR & ENG]Takumar - the eyes of the Spotmatic : info about all Takumar lenses // Kogaku - My photo site
I am selling : Takumar lenses and rare Pentax bodies, pm me if you're interested in something [MFLenses feed-back]
Information on Takumar lenses with samples :
Wide angle : Takumar 15/3.5 15mm, Takumar 17/4 17mm, Takumar 18/11 18mm, Takumar 20/4.5 20mm, Takumar 24/3.5 24mm, Takumar 28/3.5 V1 28mm, Takumar 28/3.5 V2 28mm, Takumar 35/2 V1 35mm, Takumar 35/2 V2 35mm, Takumar 35/2.3 35mm, Takumar 35/3.5 35mm, Takumar 35/4 35mm
Standard : Takumar 50/1.4 V1 50mm, Takumar 50/1.4 V2 50mm, Takumar 50/3.5 50mm, Takumar 50/4 50mm, Takumar 55/2 55/1.8 55mm, Takumar 55/2.2 V1 55mm, Takumar 55/2.2 V2 55mm, Takumar 58/2 58mm, Takumar 58/2.4 58mm
Short tele : Takumar 83/1.9 83mm, Takumar 85/1.8 85/1.9 85mm, Takumar 85/1.8 85mm, Takumar 100/2 100mm, Takumar 100/3.5 100mm, Takumar 100/4 100mm, Takumar 105/2.8 V1 105mm, Takumar 105/2.8 V2 105mm, Takumar 120/2.8 120mm
Telephoto : Takumar 135/2.5 V1 135mm, Takumar 135/2.5 V2 135mm, Takumar 135/3.5 V1 135mm, Takumar 135/3.5 V2 135mm, Takumar 150/4 V1 150mm, Takumar 150/4 V2 150mm
Long tele : Takumar 200/3.5 200mm, Takumar 200/4 200mm, Takumar 200/5.6 200mm, Takumar 300/4 V1 300mm, Takumar 300/4 V2 300mm, Takumar 300/4 V3 300mm, Takumar 300/6.3 300mm, Takumar 400/5.6 400mm, Takumar 500/4.5 500mm, Takumar 500/5 500mm, Takumar 1000/8 V1 1000mm, Takumar 1000/8 V2 1000mm
Zoom : Zoom-Takumar 45~125/4 , Zoom-Takumar 70~150/4.5 , Zoom-Takumar 85~210/4.5 , Zoom-Takumar 135~600/6.7
Achromatic : Ultra-Achromatic-Takumar 85/4.5 , Ultra-Achromatic-Takumar 300/5.6 300mm |
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Alsatian2017
Joined: 05 Mar 2018 Posts: 239
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Alsatian2017 wrote:
CarbonR wrote: |
Alsatian2017 wrote: |
I've got no intention to rain on your parade but the two images you posted look a little bit like those I've recently taken through a cheap fish-eye adapter from the 1980's - the resolution outside the center is just abysmally bad. You've mentioned the Samyang 14 mm f/2,8 and I can assure you that my sample is perfectly useable (with sharp corners) from wide open. I fear that your lens is defective...
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Did you hear about "depth of field" concept ? These shots were at f/4 and f/5.6...
Yes it has a wild bokeh, but sharpness seen at 100% is totally acceptable. That's an UWA lens, we cannot expect the quality of the red L lens with a more standard focal. |
Well yes, I've actually been into photography since 1982, even professionally, so the concept of depth of field is well known to me. Nevertheless, at 11 mm focal length and f/4, the corners should be much sharper in the corners, could you please post some images with a subject close to infinity ?
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CarbonR
Joined: 31 Dec 2008 Posts: 1969 Location: Clermont-Ferrand, France
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CarbonR wrote:
As said, shots at infinity were not showable on internet (because my house would be too easy recognisable). Today there is some sun wo I will take the time to do a comparison of the lenses. But for what I've ssen on previous shots, the 11/4 is largely acceptable for what I want to do with it (especially taking in account that it is the cheapest UWA non fish-eye lens available) _________________ Cameras : Canon 5D, Pentax K100D, Pentax 6x7, Spotmatic
Lenses : 15mm to 1000mm (24x36)
My websites : [FR & ENG]Takumar - the eyes of the Spotmatic : info about all Takumar lenses // Kogaku - My photo site
I am selling : Takumar lenses and rare Pentax bodies, pm me if you're interested in something [MFLenses feed-back]
Information on Takumar lenses with samples :
Wide angle : Takumar 15/3.5 15mm, Takumar 17/4 17mm, Takumar 18/11 18mm, Takumar 20/4.5 20mm, Takumar 24/3.5 24mm, Takumar 28/3.5 V1 28mm, Takumar 28/3.5 V2 28mm, Takumar 35/2 V1 35mm, Takumar 35/2 V2 35mm, Takumar 35/2.3 35mm, Takumar 35/3.5 35mm, Takumar 35/4 35mm
Standard : Takumar 50/1.4 V1 50mm, Takumar 50/1.4 V2 50mm, Takumar 50/3.5 50mm, Takumar 50/4 50mm, Takumar 55/2 55/1.8 55mm, Takumar 55/2.2 V1 55mm, Takumar 55/2.2 V2 55mm, Takumar 58/2 58mm, Takumar 58/2.4 58mm
Short tele : Takumar 83/1.9 83mm, Takumar 85/1.8 85/1.9 85mm, Takumar 85/1.8 85mm, Takumar 100/2 100mm, Takumar 100/3.5 100mm, Takumar 100/4 100mm, Takumar 105/2.8 V1 105mm, Takumar 105/2.8 V2 105mm, Takumar 120/2.8 120mm
Telephoto : Takumar 135/2.5 V1 135mm, Takumar 135/2.5 V2 135mm, Takumar 135/3.5 V1 135mm, Takumar 135/3.5 V2 135mm, Takumar 150/4 V1 150mm, Takumar 150/4 V2 150mm
Long tele : Takumar 200/3.5 200mm, Takumar 200/4 200mm, Takumar 200/5.6 200mm, Takumar 300/4 V1 300mm, Takumar 300/4 V2 300mm, Takumar 300/4 V3 300mm, Takumar 300/6.3 300mm, Takumar 400/5.6 400mm, Takumar 500/4.5 500mm, Takumar 500/5 500mm, Takumar 1000/8 V1 1000mm, Takumar 1000/8 V2 1000mm
Zoom : Zoom-Takumar 45~125/4 , Zoom-Takumar 70~150/4.5 , Zoom-Takumar 85~210/4.5 , Zoom-Takumar 135~600/6.7
Achromatic : Ultra-Achromatic-Takumar 85/4.5 , Ultra-Achromatic-Takumar 300/5.6 300mm |
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Gerald
Joined: 25 Mar 2014 Posts: 1196 Location: Brazil
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Posted: Sun Dec 13, 2020 1:00 pm Post subject: |
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Gerald wrote:
stevemark wrote: |
The amount of "Swissness" to be found in theses Irix lenses certainly is close to nothing |
Even renowned multinational companies are taking advantage of Switzerland's reputation for making high quality products:
https://cdn.axminstertools.com/media/catalog/product/cache/6aa9e1e59bcc5998e1687ab5ba3e27a4/3/0/300015_inset1_xl.jpg
Perhaps only the packaging is done in Switzerland. The quality of the sanding belts themselves is just so-so, typical of Chinese sandpapers.
Going back to the topic of Irix lenses, I would also like to see how they perform in the corners. _________________ If raindrops were perfect lenses, the rainbow did not exist. |
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DConvert
Joined: 12 Jun 2010 Posts: 921 Location: Essex UK
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Posted: Sun Dec 13, 2020 1:22 pm Post subject: |
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DConvert wrote:
Why would they use expensive Swiss labour for packaging? |
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Gerald
Joined: 25 Mar 2014 Posts: 1196 Location: Brazil
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Posted: Sun Dec 13, 2020 1:50 pm Post subject: |
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Gerald wrote:
DConvert wrote: |
Why would they use expensive Swiss labour for packaging? |
Packaging is the last operation in the manufacture of a product. I think it is not legal, even in this globalized world that we are living in, to manufacture and package a product in China and bring it to Europe with the inscription Made in Switzerland. I am not a specialist in Swiss trade laws, but I believe that if you finish in Switzerland a product that was partly manufactured in another country, you can legally say that it was made in Switzerland. _________________ If raindrops were perfect lenses, the rainbow did not exist. |
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CarbonR
Joined: 31 Dec 2008 Posts: 1969 Location: Clermont-Ferrand, France
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Posted: Sun Dec 13, 2020 3:50 pm Post subject: |
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CarbonR wrote:
In France it is legal if I am right. So companies can take every part from China, put them in the box here and sell it "Made in France". Globalization and companies lobbying is beautiful.
This is why I do not thrust easily any "Made in xxx" (apart from China). China are sending things to space, so they know how to do a quality control. Poor items from China are items that are asked to be poor, not because China make poor item, but because we ask them to do so. So Irix could be poorly designed in Swiss and made in China with the same standards of quality control as Zeiss' one. _________________ Cameras : Canon 5D, Pentax K100D, Pentax 6x7, Spotmatic
Lenses : 15mm to 1000mm (24x36)
My websites : [FR & ENG]Takumar - the eyes of the Spotmatic : info about all Takumar lenses // Kogaku - My photo site
I am selling : Takumar lenses and rare Pentax bodies, pm me if you're interested in something [MFLenses feed-back]
Information on Takumar lenses with samples :
Wide angle : Takumar 15/3.5 15mm, Takumar 17/4 17mm, Takumar 18/11 18mm, Takumar 20/4.5 20mm, Takumar 24/3.5 24mm, Takumar 28/3.5 V1 28mm, Takumar 28/3.5 V2 28mm, Takumar 35/2 V1 35mm, Takumar 35/2 V2 35mm, Takumar 35/2.3 35mm, Takumar 35/3.5 35mm, Takumar 35/4 35mm
Standard : Takumar 50/1.4 V1 50mm, Takumar 50/1.4 V2 50mm, Takumar 50/3.5 50mm, Takumar 50/4 50mm, Takumar 55/2 55/1.8 55mm, Takumar 55/2.2 V1 55mm, Takumar 55/2.2 V2 55mm, Takumar 58/2 58mm, Takumar 58/2.4 58mm
Short tele : Takumar 83/1.9 83mm, Takumar 85/1.8 85/1.9 85mm, Takumar 85/1.8 85mm, Takumar 100/2 100mm, Takumar 100/3.5 100mm, Takumar 100/4 100mm, Takumar 105/2.8 V1 105mm, Takumar 105/2.8 V2 105mm, Takumar 120/2.8 120mm
Telephoto : Takumar 135/2.5 V1 135mm, Takumar 135/2.5 V2 135mm, Takumar 135/3.5 V1 135mm, Takumar 135/3.5 V2 135mm, Takumar 150/4 V1 150mm, Takumar 150/4 V2 150mm
Long tele : Takumar 200/3.5 200mm, Takumar 200/4 200mm, Takumar 200/5.6 200mm, Takumar 300/4 V1 300mm, Takumar 300/4 V2 300mm, Takumar 300/4 V3 300mm, Takumar 300/6.3 300mm, Takumar 400/5.6 400mm, Takumar 500/4.5 500mm, Takumar 500/5 500mm, Takumar 1000/8 V1 1000mm, Takumar 1000/8 V2 1000mm
Zoom : Zoom-Takumar 45~125/4 , Zoom-Takumar 70~150/4.5 , Zoom-Takumar 85~210/4.5 , Zoom-Takumar 135~600/6.7
Achromatic : Ultra-Achromatic-Takumar 85/4.5 , Ultra-Achromatic-Takumar 300/5.6 300mm |
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visualopsins
Joined: 05 Mar 2009 Posts: 11009 Location: California
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Posted: Sun Dec 13, 2020 4:32 pm Post subject: |
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visualopsins wrote:
Sure there is the additional "like a Swiss watch" quality of manufacture advertising spin, however the "Swiss Bank Account" financial shenanigans likely are a greater incentive for the company. _________________ ☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮ like attracts like! ☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮
Cameras: Sony ILCE-7RM2, Spotmatics II, F, and ESII, Nikon P4
Lenses:
M42 Asahi Optical Co., Takumar 1:4 f=35mm, 1:2 f=58mm (Sonnar), 1:2.4 f=58mm (Heliar), 1:2.2 f=55mm (Gaussian), 1:2.8 f=105mm (Model I), 1:2.8/105 (Model II), 1:5.6/200, Tele-Takumar 1:5.6/200, 1:6.3/300, Macro-Takumar 1:4/50, Auto-Takumar 1:2.3 f=35, 1:1.8 f=55mm, 1:2.2 f=55mm, Super-TAKUMAR 1:3.5/28 (fat), 1:2/35 (Fat), 1:1.4/50 (8-element), Super-Multi-Coated Fisheye-TAKUMAR 1:4/17, Super-Multi-Coated TAKUMAR 1:4.5/20, 1:3.5/24, 1:3.5/28, 1:2/35, 1:3.5/35, 1:1.8/85, 1:1.9/85 1:2.8/105, 1:3.5/135, 1:2.5/135 (II), 1:4/150, 1:4/200, 1:4/300, 1:4.5/500, Super-Multi-Coated Macro-TAKUMAR 1:4/50, 1:4/100, Super-Multi-Coated Bellows-TAKUMAR 1:4/100, SMC TAKUMAR 1:1.4/50, 1:1.8/55
M42 Carl Zeiss Jena Flektogon 2.4/35
Contax Carl Zeiss Vario-Sonnar T* 28-70mm F3.5-4.5
Pentax K-mount SMC PENTAX-A ZOOM 1:3.5 35~105mm, SMC PENTAX ZOOM 1:4 45~125mm
Nikon Micro-NIKKOR-P-C Auto 1:3.5 f=55mm, NIKKOR-P Auto 105mm f/2.5 Pre-AI (Sonnar), Micro-NIKKOR 105mm 1:4 AI, NIKKOR AI-S 35-135mm f/3,5-4,5
Tamron SP 17mm f/3.5 (51B), Tamron SP 17mm f/3.5 (151B), SP 500mm f/8 (55BB), SP 70-210mm f/3.5 (19AH)
Vivitar 100mm 1:2.8 MC 1:1 Macro Telephoto (Kiron)
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DConvert
Joined: 12 Jun 2010 Posts: 921 Location: Essex UK
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Posted: Mon Dec 14, 2020 9:50 am Post subject: |
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DConvert wrote:
CarbonR wrote: |
In France it is legal if I am right. So companies can take every part from China, put them in the box here and sell it "Made in France". Globalization and companies lobbying is beautiful.
This is why I do not thrust easily any "Made in xxx" (apart from China). China are sending things to space, so they know how to do a quality control. Poor items from China are items that are asked to be poor, not because China make poor item, but because we ask them to do so. So Irix could be poorly designed in Swiss and made in China with the same standards of quality control as Zeiss' one. |
No-one asks for these to be manufactured as poor items (unlike some of our specialist products!) They are manufactured to be CHEAP, and the resulting lack of QC is accepted as a consequence. |
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CarbonR
Joined: 31 Dec 2008 Posts: 1969 Location: Clermont-Ferrand, France
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Posted: Mon Dec 14, 2020 9:29 pm Post subject: |
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CarbonR wrote:
DConvert wrote: |
CarbonR wrote: |
In France it is legal if I am right. So companies can take every part from China, put them in the box here and sell it "Made in France". Globalization and companies lobbying is beautiful.
This is why I do not thrust easily any "Made in xxx" (apart from China). China are sending things to space, so they know how to do a quality control. Poor items from China are items that are asked to be poor, not because China make poor item, but because we ask them to do so. So Irix could be poorly designed in Swiss and made in China with the same standards of quality control as Zeiss' one. |
No-one asks for these to be manufactured as poor items (unlike some of our specialist products!) They are manufactured to be CHEAP, and the resulting lack of QC is accepted as a consequence. |
You are right, I simplified it too much _________________ Cameras : Canon 5D, Pentax K100D, Pentax 6x7, Spotmatic
Lenses : 15mm to 1000mm (24x36)
My websites : [FR & ENG]Takumar - the eyes of the Spotmatic : info about all Takumar lenses // Kogaku - My photo site
I am selling : Takumar lenses and rare Pentax bodies, pm me if you're interested in something [MFLenses feed-back]
Information on Takumar lenses with samples :
Wide angle : Takumar 15/3.5 15mm, Takumar 17/4 17mm, Takumar 18/11 18mm, Takumar 20/4.5 20mm, Takumar 24/3.5 24mm, Takumar 28/3.5 V1 28mm, Takumar 28/3.5 V2 28mm, Takumar 35/2 V1 35mm, Takumar 35/2 V2 35mm, Takumar 35/2.3 35mm, Takumar 35/3.5 35mm, Takumar 35/4 35mm
Standard : Takumar 50/1.4 V1 50mm, Takumar 50/1.4 V2 50mm, Takumar 50/3.5 50mm, Takumar 50/4 50mm, Takumar 55/2 55/1.8 55mm, Takumar 55/2.2 V1 55mm, Takumar 55/2.2 V2 55mm, Takumar 58/2 58mm, Takumar 58/2.4 58mm
Short tele : Takumar 83/1.9 83mm, Takumar 85/1.8 85/1.9 85mm, Takumar 85/1.8 85mm, Takumar 100/2 100mm, Takumar 100/3.5 100mm, Takumar 100/4 100mm, Takumar 105/2.8 V1 105mm, Takumar 105/2.8 V2 105mm, Takumar 120/2.8 120mm
Telephoto : Takumar 135/2.5 V1 135mm, Takumar 135/2.5 V2 135mm, Takumar 135/3.5 V1 135mm, Takumar 135/3.5 V2 135mm, Takumar 150/4 V1 150mm, Takumar 150/4 V2 150mm
Long tele : Takumar 200/3.5 200mm, Takumar 200/4 200mm, Takumar 200/5.6 200mm, Takumar 300/4 V1 300mm, Takumar 300/4 V2 300mm, Takumar 300/4 V3 300mm, Takumar 300/6.3 300mm, Takumar 400/5.6 400mm, Takumar 500/4.5 500mm, Takumar 500/5 500mm, Takumar 1000/8 V1 1000mm, Takumar 1000/8 V2 1000mm
Zoom : Zoom-Takumar 45~125/4 , Zoom-Takumar 70~150/4.5 , Zoom-Takumar 85~210/4.5 , Zoom-Takumar 135~600/6.7
Achromatic : Ultra-Achromatic-Takumar 85/4.5 , Ultra-Achromatic-Takumar 300/5.6 300mm |
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