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pleto
Joined: 18 Oct 2019 Posts: 37
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Posted: Thu Apr 30, 2020 12:16 pm Post subject: Using a short flange focus distance on a digital reflex in L |
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pleto wrote:
I wonder if anyone ever tried to use a rf style lens with a short flange focal distance on a reflex camera using Live View, so with mirror up.
Possibly by implementing some trick to deceive the electronics, some diy adapter etc. |
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DConvert
Joined: 12 Jun 2010 Posts: 921 Location: Essex UK
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Posted: Thu Apr 30, 2020 3:52 pm Post subject: |
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DConvert wrote:
Some SLRs flip the mirror down in live view before taking the shot. not good if you've managed to get a rangefinder lens far enough into the mount to work!
Using those lenses for macro is of course an option even without the need for live view. |
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philslizzy
Joined: 07 Aug 2012 Posts: 4745 Location: Cheshire, England
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Posted: Thu Apr 30, 2020 10:58 pm Post subject: |
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philslizzy wrote:
I doubt it could be done, as DConvert says the mirror flips down before the shutter operates. You wouldn't get much inside a DSLR anyway.
You would have to manage to fit it inside the body of the camera, somehow fix it there, then how are you supposed to focus it or operate the aperture?
I don't think you've really thought it through very well _________________ Hero in the 'messin-with-cameras-for-the-hell-of-it department'. Official. |
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pleto
Joined: 18 Oct 2019 Posts: 37
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Posted: Sat May 02, 2020 5:08 am Post subject: |
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pleto wrote:
Live view stays on on my cameras.
My kind of lenses would be old home movie projection lenses. I have one and it fits, rf ones are too large.
I could use just the center of the image given the small circle of confusion.
The only fear I have is that of putting the rear of the lens so close to the sensor, a possible source of dirt given that all these movie lenses are old. I have one that fits well,I tried yesterday, it is f 1.2 so I could try some bokeh effect.
I'm not sure it is safe to keep it so close as the adaptor should be well made to avoid incidents.
Maybe I wil have one made by 3D printing but I feel I should be careful |
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visualopsins
Joined: 05 Mar 2009 Posts: 11069 Location: California
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Posted: Sat May 02, 2020 5:58 am Post subject: |
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visualopsins wrote:
Go for it! _________________ ☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮ like attracts like! ☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮
Cameras: Sony ILCE-7RM2, Spotmatics II, F, and ESII, Nikon P4
Lenses:
M42 Asahi Optical Co., Takumar 1:4 f=35mm, 1:2 f=58mm (Sonnar), 1:2.4 f=58mm (Heliar), 1:2.2 f=55mm (Gaussian), 1:2.8 f=105mm (Model I), 1:2.8/105 (Model II), 1:5.6/200, Tele-Takumar 1:5.6/200, 1:6.3/300, Macro-Takumar 1:4/50, Auto-Takumar 1:2.3 f=35, 1:1.8 f=55mm, 1:2.2 f=55mm, Super-TAKUMAR 1:3.5/28 (fat), 1:2/35 (Fat), 1:1.4/50 (8-element), Super-Multi-Coated Fisheye-TAKUMAR 1:4/17, Super-Multi-Coated TAKUMAR 1:4.5/20, 1:3.5/24, 1:3.5/28, 1:2/35, 1:3.5/35, 1:1.8/85, 1:1.9/85 1:2.8/105, 1:3.5/135, 1:2.5/135 (II), 1:4/150, 1:4/200, 1:4/300, 1:4.5/500, Super-Multi-Coated Macro-TAKUMAR 1:4/50, 1:4/100, Super-Multi-Coated Bellows-TAKUMAR 1:4/100, SMC TAKUMAR 1:1.4/50, 1:1.8/55
M42 Carl Zeiss Jena Flektogon 2.4/35
Contax Carl Zeiss Vario-Sonnar T* 28-70mm F3.5-4.5
Pentax K-mount SMC PENTAX-A ZOOM 1:3.5 35~105mm, SMC PENTAX ZOOM 1:4 45~125mm
Nikon Micro-NIKKOR-P-C Auto 1:3.5 f=55mm, NIKKOR-P Auto 105mm f/2.5 Pre-AI (Sonnar), Micro-NIKKOR 105mm 1:4 AI, NIKKOR AI-S 35-135mm f/3,5-4,5
Tamron SP 17mm f/3.5 (51B), Tamron SP 17mm f/3.5 (151B), SP 500mm f/8 (55BB), SP 70-210mm f/3.5 (19AH)
Vivitar 100mm 1:2.8 MC 1:1 Macro Telephoto (Kiron)
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dickb
Joined: 04 Apr 2008 Posts: 821
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Posted: Tue May 05, 2020 6:35 pm Post subject: |
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dickb wrote:
Before mirrorless full frame cameras were available some people taped their Canon 5D II mirrors in the up position or even removed them to use weird lenses like the Nikon F mount version of the Voigtlaender 15mm f/4.5. So it can be done, not sure whether it is to be recommended though. |
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kds315*
Joined: 12 Mar 2008 Posts: 16664 Location: Weinheim, Germany
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Posted: Wed May 06, 2020 7:55 am Post subject: |
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kds315* wrote:
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Lomo ZIKAR-1A f1.2/100mm
Nikon UV Nikkor f4.5/105mm
Zeiss UV-Sonnar f4.3/105mm
CERCO UV-VIS-NIR f1.8/45mm
CERCO UV-VIS-NIR f4.1/94mm
CERCO UV-VIS-NIR f2.8/100mm
Steinheil Quarzobjektiv f1.8/50mm
Pentax Quartz Takumar f3.5/85mm
Carl Zeiss Jena UV-Objektiv f4/60mm
NYE OPTICAL Lyman-Alpha II f1.1/90mm
NYE OPTICAL Lyman-Alpha I f2.8/200mm
COASTAL OPTICS f4/60mm UV-VIS-IR Apo
COASTAL OPTICS f4.5/105mm UV-Micro-Apo
Pentax Ultra-Achromatic Takumar f4.5/85mm
Pentax Ultra-Achromatic Takumar f5.6/300mm
Rodenstock UV-Rodagon f5.6/60mm + 105mm + 150mm
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Dustylens
Joined: 15 Jun 2020 Posts: 6 Location: Chandler, AZ
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Posted: Mon Jun 15, 2020 6:24 pm Post subject: Yes |
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Dustylens wrote:
I'm unsure what you actually mean.
I have a Staebel Telexon 135 / 3.8 with an M39 mount which I believe was designed for a range finder (I don't know which), and with adapters, it works on my DSLR (Pentax K-1), but I don't get infinity focus due to the longer Flange Focal Distance of Pentax bodies. The lens does not interfere with the mirror.
I also have a Steinheil Cassarit 45 / 2.8 with an M39 mount which was designed for a Braun Paxette -- but one with an uncoupled range finder. It _does_ interfere with the mirror on my K-1, but with adapters I can use it just fine in Live View -- again, without infinity focus. |
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visualopsins
Joined: 05 Mar 2009 Posts: 11069 Location: California
Expire: 2025-04-11
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Posted: Mon Jun 15, 2020 6:37 pm Post subject: Re: Yes |
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visualopsins wrote:
Dustylens wrote: |
I'm unsure what you actually mean.
I have a Staebel Telexon 135 / 3.8 with an M39 mount which I believe was designed for a range finder (I don't know which), and with adapters, it works on my DSLR (Pentax K-1), but I don't get infinity focus due to the longer Flange Focal Distance of Pentax bodies. The lens does not interfere with the mirror.
I also have a Steinheil Cassarit 45 / 2.8 with an M39 mount which was designed for a Braun Paxette -- but one with an uncoupled range finder. It _does_ interfere with the mirror on my K-1, but with adapters I can use it just fine in Live View -- again, without infinity focus. |
Welcome Dustylens
Point is cannot achieve infinity focus without mirror interference due t short flange length required. _________________ ☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮ like attracts like! ☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮
Cameras: Sony ILCE-7RM2, Spotmatics II, F, and ESII, Nikon P4
Lenses:
M42 Asahi Optical Co., Takumar 1:4 f=35mm, 1:2 f=58mm (Sonnar), 1:2.4 f=58mm (Heliar), 1:2.2 f=55mm (Gaussian), 1:2.8 f=105mm (Model I), 1:2.8/105 (Model II), 1:5.6/200, Tele-Takumar 1:5.6/200, 1:6.3/300, Macro-Takumar 1:4/50, Auto-Takumar 1:2.3 f=35, 1:1.8 f=55mm, 1:2.2 f=55mm, Super-TAKUMAR 1:3.5/28 (fat), 1:2/35 (Fat), 1:1.4/50 (8-element), Super-Multi-Coated Fisheye-TAKUMAR 1:4/17, Super-Multi-Coated TAKUMAR 1:4.5/20, 1:3.5/24, 1:3.5/28, 1:2/35, 1:3.5/35, 1:1.8/85, 1:1.9/85 1:2.8/105, 1:3.5/135, 1:2.5/135 (II), 1:4/150, 1:4/200, 1:4/300, 1:4.5/500, Super-Multi-Coated Macro-TAKUMAR 1:4/50, 1:4/100, Super-Multi-Coated Bellows-TAKUMAR 1:4/100, SMC TAKUMAR 1:1.4/50, 1:1.8/55
M42 Carl Zeiss Jena Flektogon 2.4/35
Contax Carl Zeiss Vario-Sonnar T* 28-70mm F3.5-4.5
Pentax K-mount SMC PENTAX-A ZOOM 1:3.5 35~105mm, SMC PENTAX ZOOM 1:4 45~125mm
Nikon Micro-NIKKOR-P-C Auto 1:3.5 f=55mm, NIKKOR-P Auto 105mm f/2.5 Pre-AI (Sonnar), Micro-NIKKOR 105mm 1:4 AI, NIKKOR AI-S 35-135mm f/3,5-4,5
Tamron SP 17mm f/3.5 (51B), Tamron SP 17mm f/3.5 (151B), SP 500mm f/8 (55BB), SP 70-210mm f/3.5 (19AH)
Vivitar 100mm 1:2.8 MC 1:1 Macro Telephoto (Kiron)
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