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trev
Joined: 30 Jun 2010 Posts: 580 Location: North Wales - UK
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Posted: Sun Sep 11, 2016 1:42 pm Post subject: Worst M42 lens |
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trev wrote:
Generally what is considered to be the worst M42 prime lens, and why? _________________ Fuji X10, X-A1 and Samsung nx 20 |
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Lightshow
Joined: 04 Nov 2011 Posts: 3666 Location: Calgary
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Posted: Sun Sep 11, 2016 1:58 pm Post subject: |
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Lightshow wrote:
One that is out of alignment.
I should be less cryptic: Generally, none are horrendously bad unless something is wrong with it.
Which begs the question, why? did you buy a terrible lens and wish to confirm?
Then there is your point of view, one photographers junk lens is an artists favorite tool. _________________ A Manual Focus Junky...
One photographers junk lens is an artists favorite tool.
My lens list
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blotafton
Joined: 08 Aug 2013 Posts: 1636 Location: Sweden
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Posted: Sun Sep 11, 2016 2:38 pm Post subject: |
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blotafton wrote:
Makinon primes and zooms haha! |
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Gerald
Joined: 25 Mar 2014 Posts: 1196 Location: Brazil
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Posted: Sun Sep 11, 2016 3:12 pm Post subject: |
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Gerald wrote:
The worst M42 lens is the CZJ Flektogon 17mm F2.8. I could never take a decent picture with that lens. _________________ If raindrops were perfect lenses, the rainbow did not exist. |
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miran
Joined: 01 Aug 2012 Posts: 1364 Location: Slovenia
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Posted: Sun Sep 11, 2016 4:04 pm Post subject: |
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miran wrote:
Lightshow wrote: |
One that is out of alignment. |
+1
I don't think there are any really horribly bad lenses. Every lens is/was good at something, just different levels of good. Of course many M42 lenses, especially wideangles are not up to modern standards, so at least you have to adjust your expectations. So if you have a very bad lens, it's more likely something went wrong with it in its long life. _________________ my flickr stream |
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luisalegria
Joined: 07 Mar 2008 Posts: 6602 Location: San Francisco, USA
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Posted: Sun Sep 11, 2016 5:02 pm Post subject: |
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luisalegria wrote:
Ditto Miran.
Possibly the worst old lenses are most third party retrofocus wides, from the 1960s.
Doesnt matter what mount, many of course were M42, even more were t-mount presets, but they came in all sorts of mounts. They almost all have dreadful corners.
Even some quite good makers products suffered from that.
Technology has improved a lot.
That said, they are usually sharp in the center at reasonable apertures and you can of course take excellent pictures with them. _________________ I like Pentax DSLR's, Exaktas, M42 bodies of all kinds, strange and cheap Japanese lenses, and am dabbling in medium format/Speed Graphic work. |
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Excalibur
Joined: 19 Jul 2009 Posts: 5017 Location: UK
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Posted: Sun Sep 11, 2016 5:07 pm Post subject: |
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Excalibur wrote:
Well I haven't come across a bad M42 lens yet and would suggest maybe they were better made before joe public had more money in the 1960's and photography become more popular and all the third party firms jumped on the band wagon and started churning out bayonet lenses. Maybe some of the crappy bayonet lenses also made a M42 version and those M42 lenses got a bad name.....of course it's only my opinion from the UK in the 1960's as in the US they had a higher standard of living and my view might be narrow minded and wrong. _________________ Canon A1, AV1, T70 & T90, EOS 300 and EOS300v, Chinon CE and CP-7M. Contax 139, Fuji STX-2, Konica Autoreflex TC, FS-1, FT-1, Minolta X-700, X-300, XD-11, SRT101b, Nikon EM, FM, F4, F90X, Olympus OM2, Pentax S3, Spotmatic, Pentax ME super, Praktica TL 5B, & BC1, , Ricoh KR10super, Yashica T5D, Bronica Etrs, Mamiya RB67 pro AND drum roll:- a Sony Nex 3
.........past gear Tele Rolleiflex and Rollei SL66.
Many lenses from good to excellent. |
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Pancolart
Joined: 04 Feb 2008 Posts: 3705 Location: Slovenia, EU
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Posted: Sun Sep 11, 2016 5:47 pm Post subject: |
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Pancolart wrote:
I think early Samyang 5 elements 2.8/28mm is one of the worst primes. http://m42lens.com/m42-lens-database/329-revuenon-auto-revuenon-28mm-f-2-8-22 _________________ ---------------------------------
The Peculiar Apparatus Of Victorian Steampunk Photography: 100+ Genuine Steampunk Camera Designs https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0B92829NS |
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luisalegria
Joined: 07 Mar 2008 Posts: 6602 Location: San Francisco, USA
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Posted: Sun Sep 11, 2016 7:26 pm Post subject: |
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luisalegria wrote:
The explosion in third party lenses came in the 1960s.
There was a foretaste of this in the late 1950s.
But its in the 1960s when all the usual suspects, Tamron, Tokina, Kino, and the rest started churning out presets in large numbers. By 1965-67 I think most of them were using t-mounts.
In the US at least these were ubiquitous.
Anyway, I'll modify what I said above - I have a non- interchangable mount preset M42 Vemar-brand 100-200/5.6 zoom that is truly foul. Dont know who made it but I suspect Itoh. I dont know if it was born that way, but I suspect it was.
Some very early zooms really arent bad, like the Tamrons, but some others ... _________________ I like Pentax DSLR's, Exaktas, M42 bodies of all kinds, strange and cheap Japanese lenses, and am dabbling in medium format/Speed Graphic work. |
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papasito
Joined: 09 Jan 2015 Posts: 1662
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Posted: Sun Sep 11, 2016 7:50 pm Post subject: |
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papasito wrote:
I think that the worst lens I had was the Zoomar 36-82 f/2,8 for Voigtlander Mount.
Specially at 36 mm.
There is a 24/2,8 lens, Makinon I guess, wow, I could not beleave what I was seen when watched the pics taken with it.
In M42 I never had lenses so worst. |
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littleearth
Joined: 21 Dec 2011 Posts: 77 Location: PT
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Posted: Sun Sep 11, 2016 8:33 pm Post subject: |
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littleearth wrote:
The Meyer Domiplan 50mm f2.8 ! |
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visualopsins
Joined: 05 Mar 2009 Posts: 11053 Location: California
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Posted: Sun Sep 11, 2016 9:09 pm Post subject: Re: Worst M42 lens |
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visualopsins wrote:
trev wrote: |
Generally what is considered to be the worst M42 prime lens, and why? |
Intent? _________________ ☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮ like attracts like! ☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮
Cameras: Sony ILCE-7RM2, Spotmatics II, F, and ESII, Nikon P4
Lenses:
M42 Asahi Optical Co., Takumar 1:4 f=35mm, 1:2 f=58mm (Sonnar), 1:2.4 f=58mm (Heliar), 1:2.2 f=55mm (Gaussian), 1:2.8 f=105mm (Model I), 1:2.8/105 (Model II), 1:5.6/200, Tele-Takumar 1:5.6/200, 1:6.3/300, Macro-Takumar 1:4/50, Auto-Takumar 1:2.3 f=35, 1:1.8 f=55mm, 1:2.2 f=55mm, Super-TAKUMAR 1:3.5/28 (fat), 1:2/35 (Fat), 1:1.4/50 (8-element), Super-Multi-Coated Fisheye-TAKUMAR 1:4/17, Super-Multi-Coated TAKUMAR 1:4.5/20, 1:3.5/24, 1:3.5/28, 1:2/35, 1:3.5/35, 1:1.8/85, 1:1.9/85 1:2.8/105, 1:3.5/135, 1:2.5/135 (II), 1:4/150, 1:4/200, 1:4/300, 1:4.5/500, Super-Multi-Coated Macro-TAKUMAR 1:4/50, 1:4/100, Super-Multi-Coated Bellows-TAKUMAR 1:4/100, SMC TAKUMAR 1:1.4/50, 1:1.8/55
M42 Carl Zeiss Jena Flektogon 2.4/35
Contax Carl Zeiss Vario-Sonnar T* 28-70mm F3.5-4.5
Pentax K-mount SMC PENTAX-A ZOOM 1:3.5 35~105mm, SMC PENTAX ZOOM 1:4 45~125mm
Nikon Micro-NIKKOR-P-C Auto 1:3.5 f=55mm, NIKKOR-P Auto 105mm f/2.5 Pre-AI (Sonnar), Micro-NIKKOR 105mm 1:4 AI, NIKKOR AI-S 35-135mm f/3,5-4,5
Tamron SP 17mm f/3.5 (51B), Tamron SP 17mm f/3.5 (151B), SP 500mm f/8 (55BB), SP 70-210mm f/3.5 (19AH)
Vivitar 100mm 1:2.8 MC 1:1 Macro Telephoto (Kiron)
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Marek
Joined: 13 Apr 2014 Posts: 903 Location: In the heart of Europe
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Posted: Sun Sep 11, 2016 10:46 pm Post subject: |
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Marek wrote:
Remember testing M42 Enna Munchen Tele Ennalyt 240mm once. Being relatively compact and rocket-looking, the lens still optically sucked, and it sucked hard. Like many other lenses, that item eventually ended up in China, both world's treasure island and rubbish can for vintage lenses _________________ Angry young man !
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BurstMox
Joined: 04 Dec 2011 Posts: 2018 Location: France
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Posted: Sun Sep 11, 2016 11:27 pm Post subject: |
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BurstMox wrote:
papasito wrote: |
I think that the worst lens I had was the Zoomar 36-82 f/2,8 for Voigtlander Mount.
Specially at 36 mm.
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It was first zoom produced for large public, so no wonder . The same for his soviet brother Rubin-1 37-80/2.8. _________________ Pierre
sovietlenses.fr
Soviet lenses Facebook group |
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woodrim
Joined: 14 Jan 2010 Posts: 4060 Location: Charleston
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Posted: Sun Sep 11, 2016 11:29 pm Post subject: |
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woodrim wrote:
littleearth wrote: |
The Meyer Domiplan 50mm f2.8 ! |
I agree that this lens is a crap shoot. There seem to be many more bad ones than good. I was lucky to find a very good one on only my second try. _________________ Regards,
Woodrim |
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papasito
Joined: 09 Jan 2015 Posts: 1662
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Posted: Sun Sep 11, 2016 11:48 pm Post subject: |
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papasito wrote:
BurstMox wrote: |
papasito wrote: |
I think that the worst lens I had was the Zoomar 36-82 f/2,8 for Voigtlander Mount.
Specially at 36 mm.
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It was first zoom produced for large public, so no wonder . The same for his soviet brother Rubin-1 37-80/2.8. |
Yes, it was the first.
I didn't known his soviet brother.
Thanks |
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leemik
Joined: 21 Feb 2011 Posts: 107 Location: Quincy, MA
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Posted: Mon Sep 12, 2016 1:27 am Post subject: |
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leemik wrote:
no such thing as a bad lens.. only bad photographers |
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jamaeolus
Joined: 19 Mar 2014 Posts: 2971 Location: Eugene
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Posted: Mon Sep 12, 2016 6:56 pm Post subject: |
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jamaeolus wrote:
I vote the Bittco Super Vemar 135mm 2.8 in zebra. Even stopped down on a tripod I could not get anything resembling a sharp image. Second place goes to the domiplan. I must try a different version though as the one I have is a late really plasticky (emphasis on "icky") thing that is a pathetic excuse for industrial design. _________________ photos are moments frozen in time |
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miran
Joined: 01 Aug 2012 Posts: 1364 Location: Slovenia
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Posted: Mon Sep 12, 2016 7:09 pm Post subject: |
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miran wrote:
For some reason I feel really tempted to get me a Domiplan. Is it really that bad? _________________ my flickr stream |
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Excalibur
Joined: 19 Jul 2009 Posts: 5017 Location: UK
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Posted: Mon Sep 12, 2016 8:24 pm Post subject: |
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Excalibur wrote:
H'mm are you guys saying your observation\views are from use on a film or digi camera. There is one thing for sure a crap old\older lens, say for sharpness, on a film camera won't get any better on a digi if it does then it's not the lens but electronic wizardry. _________________ Canon A1, AV1, T70 & T90, EOS 300 and EOS300v, Chinon CE and CP-7M. Contax 139, Fuji STX-2, Konica Autoreflex TC, FS-1, FT-1, Minolta X-700, X-300, XD-11, SRT101b, Nikon EM, FM, F4, F90X, Olympus OM2, Pentax S3, Spotmatic, Pentax ME super, Praktica TL 5B, & BC1, , Ricoh KR10super, Yashica T5D, Bronica Etrs, Mamiya RB67 pro AND drum roll:- a Sony Nex 3
.........past gear Tele Rolleiflex and Rollei SL66.
Many lenses from good to excellent. |
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luisalegria
Joined: 07 Mar 2008 Posts: 6602 Location: San Francisco, USA
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Posted: Tue Sep 13, 2016 1:55 am Post subject: |
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luisalegria wrote:
Those zebra Super Vemar 135/2.8's always seemed quite nice to me.
They are the Nissin/Sankors rebranded.
Sample variation? _________________ I like Pentax DSLR's, Exaktas, M42 bodies of all kinds, strange and cheap Japanese lenses, and am dabbling in medium format/Speed Graphic work. |
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visualopsins
Joined: 05 Mar 2009 Posts: 11053 Location: California
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Posted: Tue Sep 13, 2016 2:17 am Post subject: |
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visualopsins wrote:
I have a Vemar 2.8/135 with missing diaphragm that is quite good wide open...will have to do some digging to find it & show proof... _________________ ☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮ like attracts like! ☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮
Cameras: Sony ILCE-7RM2, Spotmatics II, F, and ESII, Nikon P4
Lenses:
M42 Asahi Optical Co., Takumar 1:4 f=35mm, 1:2 f=58mm (Sonnar), 1:2.4 f=58mm (Heliar), 1:2.2 f=55mm (Gaussian), 1:2.8 f=105mm (Model I), 1:2.8/105 (Model II), 1:5.6/200, Tele-Takumar 1:5.6/200, 1:6.3/300, Macro-Takumar 1:4/50, Auto-Takumar 1:2.3 f=35, 1:1.8 f=55mm, 1:2.2 f=55mm, Super-TAKUMAR 1:3.5/28 (fat), 1:2/35 (Fat), 1:1.4/50 (8-element), Super-Multi-Coated Fisheye-TAKUMAR 1:4/17, Super-Multi-Coated TAKUMAR 1:4.5/20, 1:3.5/24, 1:3.5/28, 1:2/35, 1:3.5/35, 1:1.8/85, 1:1.9/85 1:2.8/105, 1:3.5/135, 1:2.5/135 (II), 1:4/150, 1:4/200, 1:4/300, 1:4.5/500, Super-Multi-Coated Macro-TAKUMAR 1:4/50, 1:4/100, Super-Multi-Coated Bellows-TAKUMAR 1:4/100, SMC TAKUMAR 1:1.4/50, 1:1.8/55
M42 Carl Zeiss Jena Flektogon 2.4/35
Contax Carl Zeiss Vario-Sonnar T* 28-70mm F3.5-4.5
Pentax K-mount SMC PENTAX-A ZOOM 1:3.5 35~105mm, SMC PENTAX ZOOM 1:4 45~125mm
Nikon Micro-NIKKOR-P-C Auto 1:3.5 f=55mm, NIKKOR-P Auto 105mm f/2.5 Pre-AI (Sonnar), Micro-NIKKOR 105mm 1:4 AI, NIKKOR AI-S 35-135mm f/3,5-4,5
Tamron SP 17mm f/3.5 (51B), Tamron SP 17mm f/3.5 (151B), SP 500mm f/8 (55BB), SP 70-210mm f/3.5 (19AH)
Vivitar 100mm 1:2.8 MC 1:1 Macro Telephoto (Kiron)
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calvin83
Joined: 12 Apr 2009 Posts: 7581 Location: Hong Kong
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Posted: Tue Sep 13, 2016 3:54 am Post subject: |
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calvin83 wrote:
By polishing/removing/reversing the lens elements, you can turn any lens into a bad lens. _________________ The best lens is the one you have with you.
https://lensfever.com/
https://www.instagram.com/_lens_fever/ |
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Pancolart
Joined: 04 Feb 2008 Posts: 3705 Location: Slovenia, EU
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Posted: Tue Sep 13, 2016 6:29 am Post subject: |
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Pancolart wrote:
calvin83 wrote: |
By polishing/removing/reversing the lens elements, you can turn any lens into a bad lens. |
+1 don't forget about completely hazed elements or inner dust galore _________________ ---------------------------------
The Peculiar Apparatus Of Victorian Steampunk Photography: 100+ Genuine Steampunk Camera Designs https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0B92829NS |
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planet.groove
Joined: 20 Apr 2016 Posts: 73 Location: Berlin, Germany
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Posted: Tue Sep 13, 2016 6:47 am Post subject: |
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planet.groove wrote:
miran wrote: |
For some reason I feel really tempted to get me a Domiplan. Is it really that bad? |
I like it a lot...
Domiplan + 8mm extension tube:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/planetgroove/29213725060/
https://www.flickr.com/photos/planetgroove/27807519966/
https://www.flickr.com/photos/planetgroove/26860663482/ _________________ https://www.flickr.com/photos/planetgroove |
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