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PostPosted: Sun Sep 11, 2016 1:42 pm    Post subject: Worst M42 lens Reply with quote

Generally what is considered to be the worst M42 prime lens, and why?


PostPosted: Sun Sep 11, 2016 1:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

One that is out of alignment.
I should be less cryptic: Generally, none are horrendously bad unless something is wrong with it.
Which begs the question, why? did you buy a terrible lens and wish to confirm?
Then there is your point of view, one photographers junk lens is an artists favorite tool.


PostPosted: Sun Sep 11, 2016 2:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Makinon primes and zooms haha!


PostPosted: Sun Sep 11, 2016 3:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The worst M42 lens is the CZJ Flektogon 17mm F2.8. I could never take a decent picture with that lens. Laugh 1


PostPosted: Sun Sep 11, 2016 4:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Lightshow wrote:
One that is out of alignment.

+1

I don't think there are any really horribly bad lenses. Every lens is/was good at something, just different levels of good. Of course many M42 lenses, especially wideangles are not up to modern standards, so at least you have to adjust your expectations. So if you have a very bad lens, it's more likely something went wrong with it in its long life. Smile


PostPosted: Sun Sep 11, 2016 5:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ditto Miran.

Possibly the worst old lenses are most third party retrofocus wides, from the 1960s.
Doesnt matter what mount, many of course were M42, even more were t-mount presets, but they came in all sorts of mounts. They almost all have dreadful corners.
Even some quite good makers products suffered from that.
Technology has improved a lot.

That said, they are usually sharp in the center at reasonable apertures and you can of course take excellent pictures with them.


PostPosted: Sun Sep 11, 2016 5:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well I haven't come across a bad M42 lens yet and would suggest maybe they were better made before joe public had more money in the 1960's and photography become more popular and all the third party firms jumped on the band wagon and started churning out bayonet lenses. Maybe some of the crappy bayonet lenses also made a M42 version and those M42 lenses got a bad name.....of course it's only my opinion from the UK in the 1960's as in the US they had a higher standard of living and my view might be narrow minded and wrong.


PostPosted: Sun Sep 11, 2016 5:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think early Samyang 5 elements 2.8/28mm is one of the worst primes. http://m42lens.com/m42-lens-database/329-revuenon-auto-revuenon-28mm-f-2-8-22


PostPosted: Sun Sep 11, 2016 7:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The explosion in third party lenses came in the 1960s.
There was a foretaste of this in the late 1950s.
But its in the 1960s when all the usual suspects, Tamron, Tokina, Kino, and the rest started churning out presets in large numbers. By 1965-67 I think most of them were using t-mounts.

In the US at least these were ubiquitous.

Anyway, I'll modify what I said above - I have a non- interchangable mount preset M42 Vemar-brand 100-200/5.6 zoom that is truly foul. Dont know who made it but I suspect Itoh. I dont know if it was born that way, but I suspect it was.
Some very early zooms really arent bad, like the Tamrons, but some others ...


PostPosted: Sun Sep 11, 2016 7:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think that the worst lens I had was the Zoomar 36-82 f/2,8 for Voigtlander Mount.

Specially at 36 mm.

There is a 24/2,8 lens, Makinon I guess, wow, I could not beleave what I was seen when watched the pics taken with it.

In M42 I never had lenses so worst.


PostPosted: Sun Sep 11, 2016 8:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Meyer Domiplan 50mm f2.8 !


PostPosted: Sun Sep 11, 2016 9:09 pm    Post subject: Re: Worst M42 lens Reply with quote

trev wrote:
Generally what is considered to be the worst M42 prime lens, and why?


Intent?


PostPosted: Sun Sep 11, 2016 10:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Remember testing M42 Enna Munchen Tele Ennalyt 240mm once. Being relatively compact and rocket-looking, the lens still optically sucked, and it sucked hard. Like many other lenses, that item eventually ended up in China, both world's treasure island and rubbish can for vintage lenses Smile


PostPosted: Sun Sep 11, 2016 11:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

papasito wrote:
I think that the worst lens I had was the Zoomar 36-82 f/2,8 for Voigtlander Mount.

Specially at 36 mm.

It was first zoom produced for large public, so no wonder Smile . The same for his soviet brother Rubin-1 37-80/2.8.


PostPosted: Sun Sep 11, 2016 11:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

littleearth wrote:
The Meyer Domiplan 50mm f2.8 !


I agree that this lens is a crap shoot. There seem to be many more bad ones than good. I was lucky to find a very good one on only my second try.


PostPosted: Sun Sep 11, 2016 11:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

BurstMox wrote:
papasito wrote:
I think that the worst lens I had was the Zoomar 36-82 f/2,8 for Voigtlander Mount.

Specially at 36 mm.

It was first zoom produced for large public, so no wonder Smile . The same for his soviet brother Rubin-1 37-80/2.8.


Yes, it was the first.

I didn't known his soviet brother.

Thanks


PostPosted: Mon Sep 12, 2016 1:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

no such thing as a bad lens.. only bad photographers Laugh 1


PostPosted: Mon Sep 12, 2016 6:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I vote the Bittco Super Vemar 135mm 2.8 in zebra. Even stopped down on a tripod I could not get anything resembling a sharp image. Second place goes to the domiplan. I must try a different version though as the one I have is a late really plasticky (emphasis on "icky") thing that is a pathetic excuse for industrial design.


PostPosted: Mon Sep 12, 2016 7:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

For some reason I feel really tempted to get me a Domiplan. Is it really that bad? Very Happy


PostPosted: Mon Sep 12, 2016 8:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

H'mm are you guys saying your observation\views are from use on a film or digi camera. There is one thing for sure a crap old\older lens, say for sharpness, on a film camera won't get any better on a digi Smile if it does then it's not the lens but electronic wizardry.


PostPosted: Tue Sep 13, 2016 1:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Those zebra Super Vemar 135/2.8's always seemed quite nice to me.
They are the Nissin/Sankors rebranded.
Sample variation?


PostPosted: Tue Sep 13, 2016 2:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have a Vemar 2.8/135 with missing diaphragm that is quite good wide open...will have to do some digging to find it & show proof...


PostPosted: Tue Sep 13, 2016 3:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

By polishing/removing/reversing the lens elements, you can turn any lens into a bad lens. Wink


PostPosted: Tue Sep 13, 2016 6:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

calvin83 wrote:
By polishing/removing/reversing the lens elements, you can turn any lens into a bad lens. Wink

+1 don't forget about completely hazed elements or inner dust galore


PostPosted: Tue Sep 13, 2016 6:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

miran wrote:
For some reason I feel really tempted to get me a Domiplan. Is it really that bad? Very Happy


I like it a lot...
Domiplan + 8mm extension tube:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/planetgroove/29213725060/
https://www.flickr.com/photos/planetgroove/27807519966/
https://www.flickr.com/photos/planetgroove/26860663482/