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Which old lens has best bokeh?
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 17, 2017 8:56 pm    Post subject: Which old lens has best bokeh? Reply with quote
Can you give best bokeh and focus sharpness clue


PostPosted: Mon Apr 17, 2017 11:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Canon nFD 85/1.2L


PostPosted: Tue Apr 18, 2017 5:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
Even older: Canon FD 85mm f/1.2 SSC Aspherical

Canon F-1n, Elite Chrome 100


Canon XS DSLR with glassless FD to EOS adapter


100% crop of above:


PostPosted: Tue Apr 18, 2017 5:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
Primoplan 1.9/58 first comes to my mind.


PostPosted: Tue Apr 18, 2017 6:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
I am looking somthing like aires 4.5cm 1.5
If you look the photos you will understand what i mean
I am not looking for f 0.95 f1 or etc
http://forum.mflenses.com/aires-coral-4-5cm-f1-5-t77220.html
http://forum.mflenses.com/userpix/20174/big_10000__DSC9592_1.jpg

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 18, 2017 6:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
Pancolart wrote:
Primoplan 1.9/58 first comes to my mind.
can you give one example


PostPosted: Tue Apr 18, 2017 6:11 am    Post subject: I have 2 tomioka 55 1.2, vivitar 28/2,canon 50 1.5 (m39), Reply with quote
How is the tomiokas i did not use them much
35/2 takumar
135/4
135/2.8
80/2
80/2.8 p6
Enlargers
150/2.8 czj
50/1.4 takumar, yashica......
29 2.8
100/2.8 cz
Meritar
I have all of them but no idea
Carenar55/1.4
Soligor 300 mirror
Example
Soligor 300(miiror

carenar 55/1.4


PostPosted: Tue Apr 18, 2017 10:02 am    Post subject: Re: I have 2 tomioka 55 1.2, vivitar 28/2,canon 50 1.5 (m39) Reply with quote
dr.volkan wrote:
How is the tomiokas i did not use them much
35/2 takumar
135/4
135/2.8
80/2
80/2.8 p6
Enlargers
150/2.8 czj
50/1.4 takumar, yashica......
29 2.8
100/2.8 cz
Meritar
I have all of them but no idea
Carenar55/1.4
Soligor 300 mirror
Example
Gosia brek photos
Soligor 300(miiror

carenar 55/1.4


PostPosted: Tue Apr 18, 2017 10:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
dr.volkan wrote:
Pancolart wrote:
Primoplan 1.9/58 first comes to my mind.
can you give one example

https://www.flickr.com/photos/paulemans/22322485331


PostPosted: Tue Apr 18, 2017 10:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
The very best combination of bokeh and sharpness is from a lens that I have never seen.
It is so rare that I doubt that I shall ever see it, and if I do it will be so expensive as to be unaffordable.
It is the one lens that I would trade all my lenses for -
Angenieux 50mm f1.8
Here is a sample of what it does, and I acknowledge its provenance
http://www.verybiglobo.com/angenieux-50mm-f1-8-type-s1-on-sony-a7r/


#1


PostPosted: Tue Apr 18, 2017 11:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
Rokkor 58mm f/1.2.


PostPosted: Tue Apr 18, 2017 11:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
Pancolart wrote:
dr.volkan wrote:
Pancolart wrote:
Primoplan 1.9/58 first comes to my mind.
can you give one example

https://www.flickr.com/photos/paulemans/22322485331
nice very nice a little crowded


PostPosted: Tue Apr 18, 2017 11:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
blotafton wrote:
Rokkor 58mm f/1.2.

Examples


PostPosted: Tue Apr 18, 2017 11:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
https://www.flickr.com/search/?user_id=60398074%40N03&sort=date-taken-desc&text=58mm%201.2&view_all=1


PostPosted: Tue Apr 18, 2017 12:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Canon FL 55mm f/1.2 (I also have the FD 55mm f/1.2 SSC, same optical formula, but more expensive usually than the FL version). Taken with a Canon XS DSLR using a glassless FD to EOS adapter.



Note the flying bug:


PostPosted: Tue Apr 18, 2017 1:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Lightshow wrote:
Canon nFD 85/1.2L


nice one, and the 55/1.2 aspherical too


PostPosted: Tue Apr 18, 2017 1:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
blotafton wrote:
Rokkor 58mm f/1.2.


true, but also the MD 50/1.2 has a good bokeh with a nice sharpness and some german like 3d pop

last 2 on film


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PostPosted: Tue Apr 18, 2017 1:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Canon nFD 400mm IF, taken with a Canon XS DSLR using a glassless FD to EOS adapter.



Tamron SP 80-200mm f/2.8 LD, taken with the above Canon.





Tamron SP 300mm f/2.8 LDIF



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PostPosted: Tue Apr 18, 2017 1:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Sigma 600mm f/8 mirror, Canon FTb, Kodachrome 64



PostPosted: Wed Apr 19, 2017 9:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
Jupiter 11 135mm @f4



They all show better if ye click on them for the dark background...


Jupiter 11 135mm @f4



Industar 61 L/Z @f2.8 + ext. tube



Industar 61 L/Z @F2.8


Fujinon 55mm @f1.8 (non-EBC)

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PostPosted: Fri Jan 25, 2019 9:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Have a look here


http://toby-marshall.com/galleries/bokeh-tales/a-comparison-of-the-bokeh-and-rendering-of-35-vintage-normal-full-frame-prime-lenses/


PostPosted: Sat Jan 26, 2019 6:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
kymarto wrote:
Have a look here


http://toby-marshall.com/galleries/bokeh-tales/a-comparison-of-the-bokeh-and-rendering-of-35-vintage-normal-full-frame-prime-lenses/


Very well done, thanks for sharing Toby!


PostPosted: Sat Jan 26, 2019 6:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
TAo2 wrote:
Jupiter 11 135mm @f4




Jupiter 11 135mm @f4





Those two are truly amazing!! Like 1 Like 1 Like 1


PostPosted: Sat Jan 26, 2019 6:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
For me it is for instance this really old one: Pathe Freres 85mm lens











PostPosted: Sat Jan 26, 2019 7:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
It's an impossible question to answer because bokeh appreciation is subjective. I'm not super-impressed by soap bubbles, except the very best examples. I prefer out-of-focus rendering that blends together with the appearance of matte-texture oil paint, so tend to like the bokeh I get from my old German primes.

CZJ 58mm Biotar
Meyer-Optik 58mm Primoplan
Meyer-Optik 100mm Orestor

Then again I have an Auto Rikenon 55mm f/1.4, and some people don't like it's bokeh, but I find it makes the most gorgeous color transitions. For example, red flowers on a green background - the way the colors blend together is magical. Must be the thorium! Wink
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