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luisalegria
Joined: 07 Mar 2008 Posts: 6602 Location: San Francisco, USA
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Posted: Fri Aug 14, 2009 4:49 am Post subject: Tokina Tele-Auto 135/3.5 M42 - rare Tokina-branded lens |
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luisalegria wrote:
I picked this up because of its branding only, these early Tokina automatics are not common in the actual Tokina brand.
I believe it dates from perhaps 1967-68, very likely one of the first auto Tokinas sold.
I have the same lens in the Soligor and Vivitar brands in T4 interchangable mount -
http://forum.mflenses.com/soligor-tokina-135-3-5-t4-the-last-of-a-kind-t10182,highlight,135.html
I have seen these first auto Tokinas in fixed mount under numerous other brands, such as Lentar and Hanimex. To make it easier to change the mount (at the factory) the lens mount subassembly is a neat, fixed unit that is easily removed and substituted for another - the silver knurled part in the pictures. Many other makers did the same in those days. Its just a small jumpt to an interchangable mount.
Tokina was probably the most prolific third-party supplier of these types of lenses in the late 1960's-early 1970's, so its not surprising that this one is about as unsurprising and conventional as can be. Its only real issue is that minimum focus is fairly long at 6ft/2m. Its a very solid piece of the typical excellent build quality common in those days.
As for performance, this is a sharp lens that easily maxes out my sensor at all apertures. There is no flare or any other detectable fault, and no lack of contrast under any circumstances. There are no bad 135's of course, but its even harder to find fault among 135's of small aperture. There is even less to go wrong.
Some shots with extension ring.
The bird -
crop -
_________________ I like Pentax DSLR's, Exaktas, M42 bodies of all kinds, strange and cheap Japanese lenses, and am dabbling in medium format/Speed Graphic work. |
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ManualFocus-G
Joined: 29 Dec 2008 Posts: 6622 Location: United Kingdom
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Posted: Fri Aug 14, 2009 5:51 am Post subject: |
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ManualFocus-G wrote:
What a sexy looking lens! I've never seen a Tokina branded one of that age before, so quite a find! And the results look excellent, very, very sharp _________________ Graham - Moderator
Shooter of choice: Fujifilm X-T20 with M42, PB and C/Y lenses
See my Flickr photos at http://www.flickr.com/photos/manualfocus-g |
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scsambrook
Joined: 29 Mar 2009 Posts: 2167 Location: Glasgow Scotland
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Posted: Fri Aug 14, 2009 7:19 am Post subject: Tokina 135 |
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scsambrook wrote:
Sold lots of these back in the late 1960s, under different brand names. The Hanimex label went at about 15% lower price than the Soligor one - folks used to opt for the Soligor because it had a "better" reputation. Mmm, were we innocent, ignorant, or plain deceitful salesmen back then? _________________ Stephen
Equipment: Pentax DSLR for casual shooting, Lumix G1 and Fuji XE-1 for playing with old lenses, and Leica M8 because I still like the optical rangefinder system. |
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no-X
Joined: 19 Jul 2008 Posts: 2495 Location: Budejky, Czech Republic
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Posted: Fri Aug 14, 2009 7:53 am Post subject: |
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no-X wrote:
I see 3D Esp. the nectarines are amazing! Great lens _________________ (almost) complete list of Helios lenses |
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casualcollector
Joined: 01 Aug 2008 Posts: 749 Location: Spaced out on Florida's Space Coast
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Posted: Fri Aug 14, 2009 12:05 pm Post subject: |
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casualcollector wrote:
Good catch, Luis! I have a Tokina branded Auto 35/2.8 in uncoupled (no prong) Nikon F mount. You're making me a believer in the "No bad 135s" theory! _________________ In Search Of "R" Serial Soligors
Found: 135/2.8 #R407660, 200/4 #R405526, 300/5.5 #R411127 |
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estudleon
Joined: 15 May 2008 Posts: 3754 Location: Argentina
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Posted: Fri Aug 14, 2009 4:08 pm Post subject: |
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estudleon wrote:
Very good job. Once more time !! Again you did it !!
Your pics do that any lens seems to be an excelent one.
I'm sure that these tokina lens is a so-so performer (like my tokina-mamiya 2,8/135 your is older), but your pics. . . .
Thanks for sharing that rare 135.
Congratulations!!! Rino. _________________ Konica 2,8/100
CZJ: 4/20, 2,4/35, 1,8/50 aus jena, 3,5/135MC, Pentacon 1,8/50
Pentax S-M-C-1,4/50
Helios 44-3
Mamiya 2,8/135
Misc. : jupiter 9
Stuff used:
A) SRL
Alpa 10 D - kern macro Switar 1,9/50 -black, Kilffit apochromat 2/100.
Asahi pentax spotmatic super takumar 1,4/50
Contaflex super B tessar 2,8/50 Pro-tessar 115
Leica R3 electronic summicron 2/50 elmarit 2,8/35
Konica Autoreflex 3 (2 black and chrome one), TC, T4. 2,8/24, 3,5/28 not MC and MC, 1,8/40, 1,4/50, 1,7/50 MC and not MC, 1,8/85, 3,2/135, 3,5/135, 4/200
Minolta XG9 2,8/35, 2/45, 3,5/135
Nikkormat FTn 1,4/50, 2,8/135
Fujica ST 801, 605, 705n. 3,5/19, 1,4/50, 1,8/55, 4/85, 3,5/135.
Praktica MTL 5 and a lot of M42 lenses.
Voigtlander. Bessamatic m, bessamatix de luxe, bessamatic cs, ultramatic and ultramatic cs.
Skoparex 3,5/35, skopagon 2/40, skopar 2,8/50, skopar X 2,8/50, super lanthar (out of catalogue) 2,8/50, dinarex 3,4/90, dinarex 4,8/100, super dinarex 4/135, super dinarex 4/200, zoomar 2,8/36-83, portrait lens 0, 1 and 2. Curtagon 4/28 and 2,8/35
Canon AV1, 1,8/50
Rolleiflex SL35 and SL35 E. 2,8/35 angulon, 2,8/35 distagon, 1,4/55 rolleinar, 1,8/50 planar, 4/135 tessar, 2,8/135 rolleinar, x2 rollei, M42 to rollei adap.
Etc.
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Yashica Minister III
Voightlander Vito, vitomatic I, Vito C, etc.
Leica M. M2, M3 (d.s.) and M4. Schenider 3,4/21, 2/35 summaron 2,8/35 (with eyes). Summicron 2/35 (8 elements with eyes), 2/35 chrome, 2/35 black, 1,4/35 pre asph and aspheric - old -, 2/40 summicron, 2,8/50 elmar, 2/50 7 elements, 2/50 DR, 2/50 - minolta version, 1,4/50 summilux 1966 version, 1,4/75 summilux, 2/90 large version, 2/90 reduced version of 1987, 2,8/90 elmarit large version, 4/135 elmar. |
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Screamin Scott
Joined: 13 Oct 2007 Posts: 1014 Location: Dallas, Georgia USA
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Posted: Fri Aug 14, 2009 4:59 pm Post subject: |
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Screamin Scott wrote:
Where did you manage to find this one? _________________ Cameras-Nikon D300, D7100,D610,FE2,FTN ,FT2,N90s, Olympus Pen EP-3 & Olympus OM-D E-M10
Nikkor AF Zooms=28-105/3.5D,28-70/3.5D,35-135/3.5, et al
Nikkor AF //50/1.8,//Nikkor MF//50/2ai,50/1.8ais 50/1.4ai,24/2.8ais,28/2.8ai,28/3.5ai,55microAis/2.8,105/2.5ai,200/4ai,300/4.5ai35-135/3.5Ais,et al
Kiron /Kino made lenses//70-210/4ai,28-105/3.2ai,30-80/3.5ai,Viv 28/2ai,35-85/2.8aiVivS1,105/2.8Ais Dine,24-48/3.8ai VivS1,50-150/3.8aiViv,28-85/2.8aiViv,100/2.8Nai Viv,70-210/3.5Nai Viv,28/2.5ai Viv Komine made Viv//24/2Ais,135/2.8aiCF,28-50/3.5ai,28-90/2.8ai Viv S1,80-200/4.5aiCosina made Viv 19/3.8 Ais...Also Sigma 24/2.8 Ais Tokina made24/2.8ai VivAF Sigma 21-35/3.5,& other lenses... A link to some of my Flickr albums...
https://www.flickr.com/photos/screaminscott/albums |
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Crille
Joined: 30 Aug 2013 Posts: 1
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Posted: Fri Aug 30, 2013 8:55 am Post subject: |
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Crille wrote:
How much is this lens worth? I bought mine for $12... And now I don't need it anymore... |
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Oldhand
Joined: 01 Apr 2013 Posts: 6002 Location: Mid North Coast NSW - Australia
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Posted: Fri Aug 30, 2013 9:02 am Post subject: |
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Oldhand wrote:
Crille wrote: |
How much is this lens worth? I bought mine for $12... And now I don't need it anymore... |
It is worth about $12.......... let me help you out
@ scsambrook
Sold lots of these back in the late 1960s, under different brand names. The Hanimex label went at about 15% lower price than the Soligor one - folks used to opt for the Soligor because it had a "better" reputation. Mmm, were we innocent, ignorant, or plain deceitful salesmen back then?
Haha is your user id- scamsbrook by any chance |
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scsambrook
Joined: 29 Mar 2009 Posts: 2167 Location: Glasgow Scotland
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Posted: Fri Aug 30, 2013 9:22 am Post subject: |
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scsambrook wrote:
Oldhand wrote: |
Crille wrote: |
How much is this lens worth? I bought mine for $12... And now I don't need it anymore... |
It is worth about $12.......... let me help you out
@ scsambrook
Sold lots of these back in the late 1960s, under different brand names. The Hanimex label went at about 15% lower price than the Soligor one - folks used to opt for the Soligor because it had a "better" reputation. Mmm, were we innocent, ignorant, or plain deceitful salesmen back then?
Haha is your user id- scamsbrook by any chance |
Hi Oldhand . . . no, that was never my user id . . . and I don't believe we were scammers in general back then in the 1960s. But we were influenced by the convention that the more a lens cost, the better it would be, in the same way thar cohorts of photographers still believe that certain German makers invariably make, or have made for them, lenses of vastly superior quality.
And going back to the original thread, I think these were probably on sale here in the UK around 1964/65. _________________ Stephen
Equipment: Pentax DSLR for casual shooting, Lumix G1 and Fuji XE-1 for playing with old lenses, and Leica M8 because I still like the optical rangefinder system. |
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Oldhand
Joined: 01 Apr 2013 Posts: 6002 Location: Mid North Coast NSW - Australia
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Posted: Fri Aug 30, 2013 9:28 am Post subject: |
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Oldhand wrote:
scsambrook wrote: |
Oldhand wrote: |
Crille wrote: |
How much is this lens worth? I bought mine for $12... And now I don't need it anymore... |
It is worth about $12.......... let me help you out
@ scsambrook
Sold lots of these back in the late 1960s, under different brand names. The Hanimex label went at about 15% lower price than the Soligor one - folks used to opt for the Soligor because it had a "better" reputation. Mmm, were we innocent, ignorant, or plain deceitful salesmen back then?
Haha is your user id- scamsbrook by any chance |
Hi Oldhand . . . no, that was never my user id . . . and I don't believe we were scammers in general back then in the 1960s. But we were influenced by the convention that the more a lens cost, the better it would be, in the same way thar cohorts of photographers still believe that certain German makers invariably make, or have made for them, lenses of vastly superior quality.
And going back to the original thread, I think these were probably on sale here in the UK around 1964/65. |
............. only joshin' ............. I have found that the camera/lens specialists that I have come to know over the years have been trustworthy and honest. There is one in particular who is one of nature's gentlemen ...............
OH |
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Lloydy
Joined: 02 Sep 2009 Posts: 7788 Location: Ironbridge. UK.
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Posted: Sat Dec 05, 2020 7:33 pm Post subject: |
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Lloydy wrote:
I just stumbled on this old post from 2009 & 2013 while looking for information on a different Tokina lens, and I've had one of these lenses for years, it's one of my favorite 135's, so I thought I'd resurrect the post with a picture of mine. I shall add some pic's from the lens shortly.
_________________ LENSES & CAMERAS FOR SALE.....
I have loads of stuff that I have to get rid of, if you see me commenting about something I have got and you want one, ask me.
My Flickr https://www.flickr.com/photos/mudplugga/
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http://www.ipernity.com/home/294337 |
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papasito
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Posted: Sat Dec 05, 2020 8:05 pm Post subject: |
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papasito wrote:
I saw it in mamiya brand |
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Lloydy
Joined: 02 Sep 2009 Posts: 7788 Location: Ironbridge. UK.
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Posted: Sat Dec 05, 2020 9:59 pm Post subject: |
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Lloydy wrote:
Yes...I'm pretty certain all three lenses here are the same basic lens - the Tokina. Looking inside them the aperture mechanism is identical, they have many common features. But they have different coatings and obviously different cosmetic styles.
They are all very good lenses, of their time, and I use them regularly because I like them. The Tokina came with the biggest bargain stash ever, I paid £20 for two huge sports bags of Minolta gear that I struggled to carry. The Soligor and the Mamiya Sekor are pretty much unused, the Soligor was given to me by someone special, the Mamiya is new - old stock, I have cases, hoods and caps for both. I'm very lucky to have these three lenses, especially in the condition they are. Logic says I should sell two and keep one, but they sit side by side on a shelf.
_________________ LENSES & CAMERAS FOR SALE.....
I have loads of stuff that I have to get rid of, if you see me commenting about something I have got and you want one, ask me.
My Flickr https://www.flickr.com/photos/mudplugga/
My ipernity -
http://www.ipernity.com/home/294337 |
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casualcollector
Joined: 01 Aug 2008 Posts: 749 Location: Spaced out on Florida's Space Coast
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Posted: Mon Dec 07, 2020 7:10 pm Post subject: |
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casualcollector wrote:
That Tokina appears to be very special. Part of the Automount family of lenses. The lens mount is interchangeable and retained by the silver ring. I've never determined if they were predecessors of, or concurrent with the T4 lenses. _________________ In Search Of "R" Serial Soligors
Found: 135/2.8 #R407660, 200/4 #R405526, 300/5.5 #R411127 |
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Lloydy
Joined: 02 Sep 2009 Posts: 7788 Location: Ironbridge. UK.
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Posted: Tue Dec 08, 2020 10:33 pm Post subject: |
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Lloydy wrote:
casualcollector wrote: |
That Tokina appears to be very special. Part of the Automount family of lenses. The lens mount is interchangeable and retained by the silver ring. I've never determined if they were predecessors of, or concurrent with the T4 lenses. |
Yes, it's an 'Automount' and the only one I've ever seen. I has some similarity to the Vivitar / Soligor TX Mount, but it went the way of all the other interchangeable mounts except Tamron's.
The Mamiya and the Soligor are both fixed M42 mount, but the 'lens' is identical. It's difficult to put a date on these lenses, but I imagine the Tokina was the original and earliest. _________________ LENSES & CAMERAS FOR SALE.....
I have loads of stuff that I have to get rid of, if you see me commenting about something I have got and you want one, ask me.
My Flickr https://www.flickr.com/photos/mudplugga/
My ipernity -
http://www.ipernity.com/home/294337 |
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