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chris_zeel
Joined: 21 Jan 2013 Posts: 136 Location: Amsterdam, Netherlands
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Posted: Fri Dec 23, 2016 3:46 pm Post subject: C/Y Planar 50/1.7 on Canon 6D, adapter issue? |
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chris_zeel wrote:
i just got a C/Y Planar 50/1.7 on loan from a friend, to try it on my Canon 6D.
it came with an unlabelled adapter on it, and upon trying it the mirror gets stuck after a shot is taken.
i have to unmount the lens to get the mirror back in position.
i have read that this lens and other C/Y lenses should work on a 6D, so maybe this is an adapter problem?
also, the lenses focusses quite some beyond infinity, so maybe the adapter is too thin.
who uses this lens on a 6D?
and which adapter might will work? (and is affordable..)
thanks! _________________ DSLR: Canon 6D, Canon 400D
SLR: Praktica MTL5, Topcon RE-2, Topcon RE Super, Nikon EM, Chinon CE-3 Memotron, Pentacon F, Zenit 12-XP
Rangefinder: Zorki 4K, Ricoh 500G, Olympus 35 SP, Neoca 2S
Folder: Afga Isolette-I
Compact: Olympus mju-I
AF: Tamron 28-75 f/2.8 XR Di LD
Exakta: Meyer-Optik Trioplan 50/2.9, Primagon 35/4.5
M42: Sigma Mini Wide 28/2.8, Auto Chinon 28/2.8, Meyer-Optik Lydith 30/3.5, Pentacon Electric 29/2.8, Mir 1b 37/2.8, Super-Takumar 50/1.4, Meyer-Optik Oreston 50 f/1.8, Auto Yashinon 50/2, CZJ Tessar T 50/2.8, E. Ludwig Meritar 50/2.9, Meyer-Optik Primotar E 50/3.5, Industar 50-2 50/3.5, SMC Takumar 55/2, CZJ Biotar 58/2, Helios 44 58 f/2, Jupiter-9 85 f/2, Meyer-Optik 85/3.5, Super-Takumar 105/2.8, Accura Super Tc 135/2.8, Pentacon Zebra 135/2.8, Jupiter-11 135 f/4, Chinon MC Auto 200/3.5, Accura Supertel Tc 200/4.5, Soligor C/D Macro+Zoom 80-200/4.5
F-mount: Nikon Series E 28/2.8, 50/1.8, 100/2.8, Nikkor-S 35/2.8, Nikkor-H.C 50/2, Nikkor-H 85/1.8
Topcon: RE Auto Topcor 35/2.8, RE. Auto Topcor 58/1.8, RE. Auto Topcor 135/3.5
OM: Zuiko Auto-S 50/1. |
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aoleg
Joined: 22 Feb 2008 Posts: 1387 Location: Berlin, DE
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Posted: Fri Dec 23, 2016 4:06 pm Post subject: |
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aoleg wrote:
This lens is known to cause problems with 5D/II/6D mirrors when coupled with C/Y adapters that are slightly too thin. The issue is a combination of the protective fin being stuck in the way of the mirror as well as the rear lens element hitting the mirror when focused past infinity setting. Both issues can be eliminated by using a C/Y adapter of proper thickness.
Since you mentioned that your lens focuses past infinity when coupled with the adapter it came with, I can definitely say that the adapter is slightly too thin. Unfortunately, it is not easy sourcing the right adapter. Adapters vary between sellers and batches, so getting one of a proper thickness is a matter of luck. _________________ List of lenses |
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chris_zeel
Joined: 21 Jan 2013 Posts: 136 Location: Amsterdam, Netherlands
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Posted: Fri Dec 23, 2016 4:26 pm Post subject: |
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chris_zeel wrote:
aoleg wrote: |
This lens is known to cause problems with 5D/II/6D mirrors when coupled with C/Y adapters that are slightly too thin. The issue is a combination of the protective fin being stuck in the way of the mirror as well as the rear lens element hitting the mirror when focused past infinity setting. Both issues can be eliminated by using a C/Y adapter of proper thickness.
Since you mentioned that your lens focuses past infinity when coupled with the adapter it came with, I can definitely say that the adapter is slightly too thin. Unfortunately, it is not easy sourcing the right adapter. Adapters vary between sellers and batches, so getting one of a proper thickness is a matter of luck. |
Thanks for your reply.
The problem is as I expected.
I see that buying an adapter randomly will be hit or kiss.
Perhaps someone knows which adapter is the right thickness and knows where to get it.
I guess that cheap adapters might no longer be an option. _________________ DSLR: Canon 6D, Canon 400D
SLR: Praktica MTL5, Topcon RE-2, Topcon RE Super, Nikon EM, Chinon CE-3 Memotron, Pentacon F, Zenit 12-XP
Rangefinder: Zorki 4K, Ricoh 500G, Olympus 35 SP, Neoca 2S
Folder: Afga Isolette-I
Compact: Olympus mju-I
AF: Tamron 28-75 f/2.8 XR Di LD
Exakta: Meyer-Optik Trioplan 50/2.9, Primagon 35/4.5
M42: Sigma Mini Wide 28/2.8, Auto Chinon 28/2.8, Meyer-Optik Lydith 30/3.5, Pentacon Electric 29/2.8, Mir 1b 37/2.8, Super-Takumar 50/1.4, Meyer-Optik Oreston 50 f/1.8, Auto Yashinon 50/2, CZJ Tessar T 50/2.8, E. Ludwig Meritar 50/2.9, Meyer-Optik Primotar E 50/3.5, Industar 50-2 50/3.5, SMC Takumar 55/2, CZJ Biotar 58/2, Helios 44 58 f/2, Jupiter-9 85 f/2, Meyer-Optik 85/3.5, Super-Takumar 105/2.8, Accura Super Tc 135/2.8, Pentacon Zebra 135/2.8, Jupiter-11 135 f/4, Chinon MC Auto 200/3.5, Accura Supertel Tc 200/4.5, Soligor C/D Macro+Zoom 80-200/4.5
F-mount: Nikon Series E 28/2.8, 50/1.8, 100/2.8, Nikkor-S 35/2.8, Nikkor-H.C 50/2, Nikkor-H 85/1.8
Topcon: RE Auto Topcor 35/2.8, RE. Auto Topcor 58/1.8, RE. Auto Topcor 135/3.5
OM: Zuiko Auto-S 50/1. |
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Kinosaur
Joined: 15 Dec 2016 Posts: 11
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Posted: Sat Dec 24, 2016 10:14 am Post subject: |
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Kinosaur wrote:
Hi
I do not have first hand experience of a particular C/Y to EOS adaptor, but the trick is probably to go for an adaptor that will allow you to shim it if necessary
This one from Fotodiox looks promising http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Fotodiox-Pro-Lens-Mount-Adapter-Zeiss-Contax-Yashica-c-y-Lens-to-Canon-E-/172302205330?hash=item281e030192:g:-woAAOSwV0RXrH2k
In my experience most adaptors are machined a little too thin, even expensive ones, better to err on the side of too thin rather than too thick so long as it is possible to insert shims of some sort. It sounds like the adaptor currently fitted may be much thinner than you'd expect, the adaptor should space the lens an extra 1.5mm from the camera flange
so if you have the means to accurately measure the adaptor you could quickly check that out.
There is advice elsewhere on these forums as to how to go about shimming these adaptors, good luck! and Happy Christmas. |
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RemcoR
Joined: 30 Dec 2014 Posts: 71 Location: Netherlands
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Posted: Sun Dec 25, 2016 10:27 am Post subject: |
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RemcoR wrote:
I suggest using a Leitax mount. It costs about the same as the mentioned better adapters. Here is one with a Pentax mount.
#1
RemcoR _________________ Samyang 14/2.8
Carl Zeiss Distagon 21/2.8
SMC Pentax FA 35/2 AL
Contax Vario-sonnar 35-70/3.4
Contax 50/1.7
Carl Zeiss Planar 85/1.4 ZK
SMC Pentax A 35-105/3.5 macro |
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redguy22
Joined: 23 Feb 2015 Posts: 33
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Posted: Sun Dec 25, 2016 11:20 am Post subject: |
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redguy22 wrote:
I can vouch for Leitax too. It's perfect. Turned my Zeiss 28mm C/Y into a native canon mount, absolutely love it. No more hassle with adapters. |
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chris_zeel
Joined: 21 Jan 2013 Posts: 136 Location: Amsterdam, Netherlands
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Posted: Mon Dec 26, 2016 11:23 am Post subject: |
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chris_zeel wrote:
The leitax adapter seems like a solid solution.
Is the thickness precise? Meaning no or not too much focus beyond infinity?
I read that the Planar 50/1.7 could be tricky concerning mirror issues.
Any first hand experience? _________________ DSLR: Canon 6D, Canon 400D
SLR: Praktica MTL5, Topcon RE-2, Topcon RE Super, Nikon EM, Chinon CE-3 Memotron, Pentacon F, Zenit 12-XP
Rangefinder: Zorki 4K, Ricoh 500G, Olympus 35 SP, Neoca 2S
Folder: Afga Isolette-I
Compact: Olympus mju-I
AF: Tamron 28-75 f/2.8 XR Di LD
Exakta: Meyer-Optik Trioplan 50/2.9, Primagon 35/4.5
M42: Sigma Mini Wide 28/2.8, Auto Chinon 28/2.8, Meyer-Optik Lydith 30/3.5, Pentacon Electric 29/2.8, Mir 1b 37/2.8, Super-Takumar 50/1.4, Meyer-Optik Oreston 50 f/1.8, Auto Yashinon 50/2, CZJ Tessar T 50/2.8, E. Ludwig Meritar 50/2.9, Meyer-Optik Primotar E 50/3.5, Industar 50-2 50/3.5, SMC Takumar 55/2, CZJ Biotar 58/2, Helios 44 58 f/2, Jupiter-9 85 f/2, Meyer-Optik 85/3.5, Super-Takumar 105/2.8, Accura Super Tc 135/2.8, Pentacon Zebra 135/2.8, Jupiter-11 135 f/4, Chinon MC Auto 200/3.5, Accura Supertel Tc 200/4.5, Soligor C/D Macro+Zoom 80-200/4.5
F-mount: Nikon Series E 28/2.8, 50/1.8, 100/2.8, Nikkor-S 35/2.8, Nikkor-H.C 50/2, Nikkor-H 85/1.8
Topcon: RE Auto Topcor 35/2.8, RE. Auto Topcor 58/1.8, RE. Auto Topcor 135/3.5
OM: Zuiko Auto-S 50/1. |
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RemcoR
Joined: 30 Dec 2014 Posts: 71 Location: Netherlands
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Posted: Tue Dec 27, 2016 1:52 pm Post subject: |
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RemcoR wrote:
I don't have first hand experience with Canon. To be sure, you can email David from Leitax and he will respond truthfully and quickly.
RemcoR _________________ Samyang 14/2.8
Carl Zeiss Distagon 21/2.8
SMC Pentax FA 35/2 AL
Contax Vario-sonnar 35-70/3.4
Contax 50/1.7
Carl Zeiss Planar 85/1.4 ZK
SMC Pentax A 35-105/3.5 macro |
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chris_zeel
Joined: 21 Jan 2013 Posts: 136 Location: Amsterdam, Netherlands
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Posted: Wed Dec 28, 2016 11:21 pm Post subject: |
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chris_zeel wrote:
I contacted David and he cannot tell if the lens will work for sure.
If the Leitax adapter is the correct thickness to allow infinity focus and not beyond, then there is a good chance that it will work without mirror issues.
Meanwhile I have not really been able to try the lens out, but what are the opinions in general about the lens?
Would it be a standout between other standard lenses?
I have a modest collection so far, and am quite fond of my Topcor 58/1.8 and Takumar 55/2. _________________ DSLR: Canon 6D, Canon 400D
SLR: Praktica MTL5, Topcon RE-2, Topcon RE Super, Nikon EM, Chinon CE-3 Memotron, Pentacon F, Zenit 12-XP
Rangefinder: Zorki 4K, Ricoh 500G, Olympus 35 SP, Neoca 2S
Folder: Afga Isolette-I
Compact: Olympus mju-I
AF: Tamron 28-75 f/2.8 XR Di LD
Exakta: Meyer-Optik Trioplan 50/2.9, Primagon 35/4.5
M42: Sigma Mini Wide 28/2.8, Auto Chinon 28/2.8, Meyer-Optik Lydith 30/3.5, Pentacon Electric 29/2.8, Mir 1b 37/2.8, Super-Takumar 50/1.4, Meyer-Optik Oreston 50 f/1.8, Auto Yashinon 50/2, CZJ Tessar T 50/2.8, E. Ludwig Meritar 50/2.9, Meyer-Optik Primotar E 50/3.5, Industar 50-2 50/3.5, SMC Takumar 55/2, CZJ Biotar 58/2, Helios 44 58 f/2, Jupiter-9 85 f/2, Meyer-Optik 85/3.5, Super-Takumar 105/2.8, Accura Super Tc 135/2.8, Pentacon Zebra 135/2.8, Jupiter-11 135 f/4, Chinon MC Auto 200/3.5, Accura Supertel Tc 200/4.5, Soligor C/D Macro+Zoom 80-200/4.5
F-mount: Nikon Series E 28/2.8, 50/1.8, 100/2.8, Nikkor-S 35/2.8, Nikkor-H.C 50/2, Nikkor-H 85/1.8
Topcon: RE Auto Topcor 35/2.8, RE. Auto Topcor 58/1.8, RE. Auto Topcor 135/3.5
OM: Zuiko Auto-S 50/1. |
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RemcoR
Joined: 30 Dec 2014 Posts: 71 Location: Netherlands
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Posted: Thu Dec 29, 2016 10:31 am Post subject: |
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RemcoR wrote:
For the price, it is one of the sharpest, if of not the sharpest 50mm lens ever made. There are numerous reviews that confirm it. The MTF score is just stellar. I was blown away by my copy. The 1.7 compared to the 1.4, is the sharper one. Classic Zeiss rendering.
RemcoR _________________ Samyang 14/2.8
Carl Zeiss Distagon 21/2.8
SMC Pentax FA 35/2 AL
Contax Vario-sonnar 35-70/3.4
Contax 50/1.7
Carl Zeiss Planar 85/1.4 ZK
SMC Pentax A 35-105/3.5 macro |
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tb_a
Joined: 26 Jan 2010 Posts: 3678 Location: Austria
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Posted: Thu Dec 29, 2016 12:01 pm Post subject: |
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tb_a wrote:
RemcoR wrote: |
For the price, it is one of the sharpest, if of not the sharpest 50mm lens ever made. |
The Rollei HFT Planar aka Voigtlaender Color Ultron 50mm/F1.8 even beats it slightly (source: Color Foto Test from 1985). The positive aspect is that the Voigtlaender branded Version is also available in the more versatile M42 version. _________________ Thomas Bernardy
Manual focus lenses mainly from Minolta, Pentax, Voigtlaender, Leitz, Topcon and from Russia (too many to be listed here). |
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eugene1979
Joined: 05 Nov 2014 Posts: 26
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Posted: Sat Dec 31, 2016 9:52 am Post subject: |
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eugene1979 wrote:
tb_a wrote: |
The Rollei HFT Planar aka Voigtlaender Color Ultron 50mm/F1.8 even beats it slightly |
My copy, however, shows spherical aberration wide open. Closed by 2 or more stops, the lens is super sharp.
http://aflenses.net/reviews/brief-spring-review-of-rollei-hft-planar-18-50-fujifilm-x-t10/ |
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tb_a
Joined: 26 Jan 2010 Posts: 3678 Location: Austria
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Posted: Sat Dec 31, 2016 12:35 pm Post subject: |
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tb_a wrote:
Sample variation?
My 2 copies of the Voigtlaender branded version in M42 are perfectly in order; i.e. already contrasty and sharp wide open. That't perfectly in line with the mentioned test report mentioned before.
Here you can see example pictures of one of my copies on both APS-C (Ricoh GXR-M) and FF (Sony A850):
http://forum.mflenses.com/voigtlnder-color-ultron-50mm-f1-8-in-m42-singapore-t72279.html _________________ Thomas Bernardy
Manual focus lenses mainly from Minolta, Pentax, Voigtlaender, Leitz, Topcon and from Russia (too many to be listed here). |
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