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alex ph
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Posted: Sat Jun 18, 2022 11:38 am Post subject: Voigtlander Skopar-X 2.8/50 pop |
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alex ph wrote:
Similarly to a wider 35mm Skoparex in DKL mount, Voigtlander Skopar-X 2.8/50 is a very capable lens, giving great pop, sharpness and colours. The colours are sligthly muted (in a noble way) in SOOC jpeg and easily PP-boosted. The lens is also small and at some occasions not that comfortable to operate as a classic lens for reflex cameras. But the results are joyful.
Those who own a Schneider Kreuznach Xenar 2.8/50 must have a similar experience. In my spontaneous view, these two lenses are pretty close performance wise. Xenar users would certainly correct this superficial observation.
Here are some shots taken with Skopar-X put on Sony Nex + speedbooster. Apertures are mostly f2.8 and maybe f4.
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iangreenhalgh1
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Posted: Sat Jun 18, 2022 11:50 am Post subject: |
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iangreenhalgh1 wrote:
There's very little difference between contemporary Tessar, Xenar and Skopar, or Meyer Primotar for that matter. All use very similar designs, similar or the same glass types, all are very good lenses indeed. _________________ I don't care who designed it, who made it or what country it comes from - I just enjoy using it! |
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alex ph
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Posted: Sat Jun 18, 2022 12:37 pm Post subject: |
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alex ph wrote:
I find some nuanced differences that might make sens. My CZJ Tessar is sharp and seems to give an even more faithful colour rendering than Skopar-X. But Skopar gives a better pop. Besides bokeh is a bit different to my memory, without making any direct comparison.
Here is a shot taken with CZJ Tessar on Sony Nex. I'd expect a bit stronger pop from Skopar.
That would be interesting to make a side-by-side comparison. |
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caspert79
Joined: 31 Oct 2010 Posts: 3193 Location: The Netherlands
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Posted: Sat Jun 18, 2022 5:16 pm Post subject: |
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caspert79 wrote:
The pop is really good. |
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alex ph
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Posted: Fri Jan 06, 2023 4:04 pm Post subject: |
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alex ph wrote:
Some more samples coming from a carefree walk, with a really slight exposure/contrast tweaking.
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caspert79
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Posted: Fri Jan 06, 2023 4:19 pm Post subject: |
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caspert79 wrote:
How's contrast straight out of the camera? |
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alex ph
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Posted: Fri Jan 06, 2023 4:28 pm Post subject: |
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alex ph wrote:
Here is a couple of the corresponding jpegs, SOOC except resizing. I'd say the contrast is amazingly good.
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caspert79
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Posted: Fri Jan 06, 2023 4:55 pm Post subject: |
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caspert79 wrote:
Looks good to me 👠|
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papasito
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Posted: Fri Jan 06, 2023 5:15 pm Post subject: |
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papasito wrote:
I like the skopar 50/2,8 very much.
The SRL lens versions or the rangefinder one. All good.
I like the rendering of the yellows, reds and blues colours. |
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alex ph
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Posted: Fri Jan 06, 2023 8:39 pm Post subject: |
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alex ph wrote:
Good point about the rendering of specific colours. I am also attracted by a light grey tint (which is lighter than some triplets or soviet Mir give) which imparts to images a kind of luxury tune.
A very nice bonus of the lens destined to Bessamatic or Retina cameras is its compact size. The downside is its long MFD, 1m.
Shot at MFD, f5.6
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papasito
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Posted: Sat Jan 07, 2023 2:50 pm Post subject: |
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papasito wrote:
alex ph wrote: |
Good point about the rendering of specific colours. I am also attracted by a light grey tint (which is lighter than some triplets or soviet Mir give) which imparts to images a kind of luxury tune.
A very nice bonus of the lens destined to Bessamatic or Retina cameras is its compact size. The downside is its long MFD, 1m.
Shot at MFD, f5.6
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The X versión has 1 m MFD, The last versio (without X) has 60 cm MFD |
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alex ph
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Posted: Mon Jan 09, 2023 3:38 am Post subject: |
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alex ph wrote:
If I remember correctly, the Ikarex version of the lens (with it we make a step out of DKL mount) has an even shorter MFD of 30cm. But one shoots with the lens it has.
One more shot from my copy at MFD
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alex_d
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Posted: Mon Jan 09, 2023 7:04 pm Post subject: |
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alex_d wrote:
famous lens 'pop' thing
I wonder if anyone could write down some short explanation: what is 'pop' and why / how / when .. occures
btw, have you pic examples of 35mm 3.4 too ? |
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alex ph
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Posted: Mon Jan 09, 2023 7:09 pm Post subject: |
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alex ph wrote:
alex_d wrote: |
btw, have you pic examples of 35mm 3.4 too ? |
Here you are.
As for the pop, to my mind it's the separation of the main subject from the background at a degree that gives you a feeling of the subject that is not laying on a two-dimensional surface but jumps a bit out towards you. I have a clear feeling that with these lenses it works just like that. |
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alex_d
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Posted: Mon Jan 09, 2023 7:39 pm Post subject: |
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alex_d wrote:
ok thanx for the link, that lens shines in some situations !
is that France or some pics are from the Netherlands too ? |
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alex ph
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Posted: Mon Jan 09, 2023 7:45 pm Post subject: |
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alex ph wrote:
Unfortunately no shots from Netherlands which must be really inspiring for a journey with a camera and MF lenses on it. |
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alex_d
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Posted: Mon Jan 09, 2023 7:52 pm Post subject: |
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alex_d wrote:
ok then its all from FR (I suppose), cause this one http://forum.mflenses.com/userpix/20215/big_6699_DSC00516_1.jpg could be from the NL too |
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alex_d
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Posted: Mon Jan 09, 2023 7:55 pm Post subject: |
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alex_d wrote:
alex ph wrote: |
Unfortunately no shots from Netherlands which must be really inspiring for a journey with a camera and MF lenses on it. |
it could shine that 35/3.4 in NL landscape for sure.
however on a ff format, too tight for a small sensor |
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alex ph
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Posted: Tue Jan 10, 2023 12:27 am Post subject: |
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alex ph wrote:
You are right, this one might be also Netherlands. Meanwhile all those shots taken with the 35mm Skoparex are France. One day I would make it in NL. |
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kymarto
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Posted: Tue Jan 10, 2023 10:18 am Post subject: |
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kymarto wrote:
I keep hearing people use the term "pop", but of what does that consist? Kind of like saying something is "cool". Are we talking contast, acutance, what? _________________ Vintage lens aficionado |
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alex ph
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Posted: Wed Jan 11, 2023 12:25 am Post subject: |
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alex ph wrote:
I could hardly give a more precise definition of pop as compared to what I put forward a couple of posts above:
As for the pop, to my mind it's the separation of the main subject from the background at a degree that gives you a feeling of the subject that is not laying on a two-dimensional surface but jumps a bit out towards you.
So it has much to do with subjective perception, and degrees may vary.
What remains on the objective side is the clear separation of individual items within the frame. From this point of view I'd say that the first shot has more pop than the second (Skopar-X 2.8/50 on a speed booster and Astro-Kino-Color IV 1.4/50 respectively)
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e6filmuser
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Posted: Sat Mar 02, 2024 10:15 am Post subject: |
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e6filmuser wrote:
alex ph wrote: |
alex_d wrote: |
btw, have you pic examples of 35mm 3.4 too ? |
Here you are.
As for the pop, to my mind it's the separation of the main subject from the background at a degree that gives you a feeling of the subject that is not laying on a two-dimensional surface but jumps a bit out towards you. I have a clear feeling that with these lenses it works just like that. |
I have often tried to see this effect, where it was claimed here, without success. But I shoot a lot of stereo pairs where it is a very real effect. _________________ Dedicated to using manual focus lenses with digital. Equiped for photography from macro to panoramic & from ultra-wide to extreme telephoto. Mostly shooting outdoor macro. Experienced entomological taxonomist. Some knowledge of mushrooms. |
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RokkorDoctor
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Posted: Sat Mar 02, 2024 10:51 am Post subject: |
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RokkorDoctor wrote:
e6filmuser wrote: |
alex ph wrote: |
alex_d wrote: |
btw, have you pic examples of 35mm 3.4 too ? |
Here you are.
As for the pop, to my mind it's the separation of the main subject from the background at a degree that gives you a feeling of the subject that is not laying on a two-dimensional surface but jumps a bit out towards you. I have a clear feeling that with these lenses it works just like that. |
I have often tried to see this effect, where it was claimed here, without success. But I shoot a lot of stereo pairs where it is a very real effect. |
I also struggle to see the "pop" effect where I have seen it mentioned in the past.
I suspect the effect observed is something to do with the way the various lens aberrations such as spherical aberration and astigmatism interact away from the plane of focus; for the same aperture and focal length, some lenses may have the blurring set in more suddenly whereas for others it is a more smoother linear transition from sharp to out-of-focus blur.
Maybe, just maybe that is the "pop" effect some folks are observing, but it is only a hypothesis. _________________ Mark
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alex ph
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Posted: Sat Mar 02, 2024 11:42 am Post subject: |
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alex ph wrote:
This is pretty subjective, but some lenses provide a more clear in-focus vs OOF separation which seems to be the key factor. |
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lumens pixel
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Posted: Sat Mar 02, 2024 12:02 pm Post subject: |
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lumens pixel wrote:
alex ph wrote: |
This is pretty subjective, but some lenses provide a more clear in-focus vs OOF separation which seems to be the key factor. |
This pops to my eyes.
You need good resolution, good contrast but not excessive and progressive transition between in and out focus areas that is not too brutal. Pics taken at short distance with a big tele opening at 0,8 with far away background does not deliver pop since it is merely a juxtaposition of a sharp and an unsharp image without transition.
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