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Nikkor 85 or Leica 90?
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 31, 2016 11:52 pm    Post subject: Nikkor 85 or Leica 90? Reply with quote

One more time for the old question.

I have the Nikkor Ais 85/2.

Good portrait lens.

Medium contrast.

Not so sharp, but enought to eyes, hair and eyelashes, with something soft skin.

Nice specially in colors, very delicate colors. Nothing excessively vibrant.

Very, very low CA. From 5,6 I can´t see them.

Paceful.

Do you recomend the summicron non Apo 90/2?

It's very cheap now.

My sharp portrait lens is the Nikkor Ai 3,5/135.

Very good lens.


PostPosted: Tue Nov 01, 2016 1:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I had Leica-R Elmarit 90mm f2.8 that is better lens than Nikon.
I had also Leica-M version that is wasn't better than Nikon.
Cheap Leica is always suspicious.


PostPosted: Tue Nov 01, 2016 8:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have Nikkor 85/2 and Summicron 90/2.While both are very good lenses I prefer Leica colours and oof blurr.


PostPosted: Tue Nov 01, 2016 10:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's well worth getting just to try it,I recently picked up an R 90 Pre-APO that had severe water damage, the aperture blades were all rusted through and falling apart, the elements had calcium, rust, and who knows what else deposits on them, it's now useable again, and based off what I get from it, it's worth getting even if you have other great lenses like the 90AA.


PostPosted: Tue Nov 01, 2016 9:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Attila wrote:
I had Leica-R Elmarit 90mm f2.8 that is better lens than Nikon.
I had also Leica-M version that is wasn't better than Nikon.
Cheap Leica is always suspicious.


Thank you, Attila.

I saw the lens and had it in my hands.

It's in good shape. No problem with it.

It's cheap because the economical situation here.

I don't see a good Elmarit R 90 since some, some years here.


PostPosted: Tue Nov 01, 2016 9:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

shapencolour wrote:
I have Nikkor 85/2 and Summicron 90/2.While both are very good lenses I prefer Leica colours and oof blurr.


Thank you shapencolour.

I thought that the differences between them should be the sharpness and colours.

I didn't think about the OOF rendering.

Good date.


PostPosted: Tue Nov 01, 2016 9:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Lightshow wrote:
It's well worth getting just to try it,I recently picked up an R 90 Pre-APO that had severe water damage, the aperture blades were all rusted through and falling apart, the elements had calcium, rust, and who knows what else deposits on them, it's now useable again, and based off what I get from it, it's worth getting even if you have other great lenses like the 90AA.


I'm sorry.

A lens in that shape, is always a shame.

The AA is excesive for me. I don't use the portrait short tele with the frequency to justify the cost.

My normal (and extensive use) lens is a 1979 Summicron R lens. Very, very good to my eyes.

I use the Nikon 3,5/135 to normal to long distance street portraits and 180/3,4 Apo Telyt for situations when longer distance is

welcome. But love the perspective of the 85/90 mm lenses. Use Nex 5 N and 6.

The people in Uruguay, Argentina and Brasil don´t like to be in pics so much.


PostPosted: Wed Nov 02, 2016 5:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

papasito wrote:
Lightshow wrote:
It's well worth getting just to try it,I recently picked up an R 90 Pre-APO that had severe water damage, the aperture blades were all rusted through and falling apart, the elements had calcium, rust, and who knows what else deposits on them, it's now useable again, and based off what I get from it, it's worth getting even if you have other great lenses like the 90AA.


I'm sorry.

A lens in that shape, is always a shame.

Yes, it was a shame to see it like that, it, and the Leica R 35/2 should have both been cleaned ASAP and they would have been like new, but they waited who know how long and then sold them for a tiny amount, I bought the Leica R 90/2 from 1972 for $40, and the R 35/2 from 1973 for $20, the 35/2 had a seized helicoid which I've now separated, I just have to get the rest apart, the 90/2 was a challenge, I had to sacrifice the built in hood, and drill out some set screws and remove the aperture mechanism, and replace it with a water-stop aperture disk which I sized slightly smaller than the aperture mechanism's opening, the optics are now 95% cleaned, I may go back in and clean them again.
Quote:

The AA is excesive for me. I don't use the portrait short tele with the frequency to justify the cost.

Yes the AA is more expensive than most photographers can justify, but if you can justify it, go for it.
Quote:


...180/3,4 Apo Telyt for situations when longer distance is welcome.

I like mine too.
I'd love to get the M 135 APO too.


PostPosted: Wed Nov 02, 2016 7:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

R90/2 and NEX 5N, an excellent portrait lens.
https://www.flickr.com/photos/calvin83/albums/72157647025665463


PostPosted: Wed Nov 02, 2016 8:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I will buy Tamron adaptall 90mm 2.5 Smile
ultra sharp from wide open.


PostPosted: Wed Nov 02, 2016 10:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

calvin83 wrote:
R90/2 and NEX 5N, an excellent portrait lens.
https://www.flickr.com/photos/calvin83/albums/72157647025665463



Thank you.

Very good pics.

Now, I saw your pics, I can't avoid to purchase the lens.

Bad boy Calvin83.

Laugh 1


PostPosted: Wed Nov 02, 2016 10:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Piotr Krochmal wrote:
I will buy Tamron adaptall 90mm 2.5 Smile
ultra sharp from wide open.


I hear some very good things about that lens.

Show the pics, man.


PostPosted: Wed Nov 02, 2016 10:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Lightshow wrote:
...180/3,4 Apo Telyt for situations when longer distance is welcome.

I like mine too.
I'd love to get the M 135 APO too.[/quote]

I had the M 135/4.

Almost APO. Showed very, very low CA.

Sharp as knife.

medium to high Contrast


PostPosted: Thu Nov 03, 2016 1:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I would say that the pre-APO Summicron 90 (no matter if the R- or the M-version) are an improvement over the Nikkor 2/85.
I consider the Nikkor 1.8/85 a better lens than the 2/85, still with the Cron 90 ahead.
My pre-APO Summicron M 90 is one of my most loved lenses ever. But I also liked the R 2/90 which I had on loan for a while and my Nikkor 1.8/85 also constantly amazes me.


PostPosted: Thu Nov 03, 2016 11:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

LucisPictor wrote:
I would say that the pre-APO Summicron 90 (no matter if the R- or the M-version) are an improvement over the Nikkor 2/85.
I consider the Nikkor 1.8/85 a better lens than the 2/85, still with the Cron 90 ahead.
My pre-APO Summicron M 90 is one of my most loved lenses ever. But I also liked the R 2/90 which I had on loan for a while and my Nikkor 1.8/85 also constantly amazes me.


Thank you Lucispictor, very much.

I had the first little M 90/2 (and sold the big and heavy M 90/2 with six elements made in canada).

I noted the pre apo cron M 90 with high contrast but not so sharp as the oldest big and heavy one. For my eyes, of course.

I think like you do, guess that the cron R 90 pre apo is a better lens than the 2/85 Nikkor.

I never had the cron R 90 before. I like it a lot.


PostPosted: Fri Nov 04, 2016 6:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah, this is what they say, that the non-Asph. version of the 2/90 is not as sharp as the Asph version.
But honestly, it's definitely sharp enough. Most other manufacturers would be happy if their lenses were as sharp. Wink
For portraitures I don't need extreme sharpness anyway.


PostPosted: Fri Nov 04, 2016 8:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

papasito wrote:
Piotr Krochmal wrote:
I will buy Tamron adaptall 90mm 2.5 Smile
ultra sharp from wide open.


I hear some very good things about that lens.

Show the pics, man.

No problem Smile
during this photos I used adapter showing 1EV more so f/4 =2.5 etc.








This are also with AF converter (I've sold it and now have 2xTC)






PostPosted: Fri Nov 04, 2016 10:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Piotr Krochmal wrote:
papasito wrote:
Piotr Krochmal wrote:
I will buy Tamron adaptall 90mm 2.5 Smile
ultra sharp from wide open.


I hear some very good things about that lens.

Show the pics, man.

No problem Smile
during this photos I used adapter showing 1EV more so f/4 =2.5 etc.








This are also with AF converter (I've sold it and now have 2xTC)








Piotr Krochmal

Thank you, very much.


Well done. Very good pics.

I can´t understand why some say that the Bokina is better than te Tamron.

Is really the Bokina so so good?

I like the tamron very much.


PostPosted: Sat Nov 05, 2016 10:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Amazing Piotr!! Like 1 Like 1 Like 1


PostPosted: Sat Nov 05, 2016 6:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

papasito wrote:
shapencolour wrote:
I have Nikkor 85/2 and Summicron 90/2.While both are very good lenses I prefer Leica colours and oof blurr.


Thank you shapencolour.

I thought that the differences between them should be the sharpness and colours.

I didn't think about the OOF rendering.

Good date.


I have some free time,so I post a few samples for you to get a flavour of what the Nikkor's 85/2 and Leica's Summicron 90/2 is all about on Sony A7 series cameras.

A7R+Nikkor AIS 85/2 wide open
http://www.zeissimages.com/gallery/951/U951I1474392771.SEQ.1.jpg
http://www.zeissimages.com/gallery/951/U951I1474392771.SEQ.0.jpg
http://www.zeissimages.com/gallery/951/U951I1445177147.SEQ.3.jpg
http://www.zeissimages.com/gallery/951/U951I1445177149.SEQ.4.jpg
http://www.zeissimages.com/gallery/951/U951I1445177155.SEQ.6.jpg


A7+Leica R Summicron 90/2 all wide open,save the no 3 at f4.0
http://www.zeissimages.com/gallery/951/U951I1451213894.SEQ.0.jpg
http://www.zeissimages.com/gallery/951/U951I1457719179.SEQ.1.jpg
http://www.zeissimages.com/gallery/951/U951I1451213575.SEQ.7.jpg
http://www.zeissimages.com/gallery/951/U951I1457719179.SEQ.1.jpg
http://www.zeissimages.com/gallery/951/U951I1457879632.SEQ.5.jpg


PostPosted: Sun Nov 06, 2016 4:11 am    Post subject: Re: Nikkor 85 or Leica 90? Reply with quote

[quote="papasito"]One more time for the old question.

I have the Nikkor Ais 85/2.

Why go slow? The Samyang, Opteka, Rokinon, etc, etc, 85mm f/1.4 are very good for the price and better bokeh IMO than Nikon's 85mm f/1.4. The out of focus highlights at the edges are round instead of oval so you don't get that sea-sickness inducing feeling of motion looking at the shots.


PostPosted: Mon Nov 07, 2016 8:13 pm    Post subject: Re: Nikkor 85 or Leica 90? Reply with quote

[quote="RichA"]
papasito wrote:
One more time for the old question.

I have the Nikkor Ais 85/2.

Why go slow? The Samyang, Opteka, Rokinon, etc, etc, 85mm f/1.4 are very good for the price and better bokeh IMO than Nikon's 85mm f/1.4. The out of focus highlights at the edges are round instead of oval so you don't get that sea-sickness inducing feeling of motion looking at the shots.


Thank you, RichA.

I don't need F/1,4 in the 75/105 mm range. I don't use it. I use more F/3,5-4. Minimal DOF that I like to have in the pics.

With the 135/3,5 lens (I have the nikkor AI, great lens, btw), Wide open you have very thin dof. I don´t need more.


The OOF highlights no matter to me. I take almost all my pics in b&w in the street. Anyways, the backgrounds are that for me,

backgrounds. I understand what do you say, and I appreciate your words and interest and time.


PostPosted: Mon Nov 07, 2016 8:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

shapencolour wrote:
papasito wrote:
shapencolour wrote:
I have Nikkor 85/2 and Summicron 90/2.While both are very good lenses I prefer Leica colours and oof blurr.


Thank you shapencolour.

I thought that the differences between them should be the sharpness and colours.

I didn't think about the OOF rendering.

Good date.


I have some free time,so I post a few samples for you to get a flavour of what the Nikkor's 85/2 and Leica's Summicron 90/2 is all about on Sony A7 series cameras.

A7R+Nikkor AIS 85/2 wide open
http://www.zeissimages.com/gallery/951/U951I1474392771.SEQ.1.jpg
http://www.zeissimages.com/gallery/951/U951I1474392771.SEQ.0.jpg
http://www.zeissimages.com/gallery/951/U951I1445177147.SEQ.3.jpg
http://www.zeissimages.com/gallery/951/U951I1445177149.SEQ.4.jpg
http://www.zeissimages.com/gallery/951/U951I1445177155.SEQ.6.jpg


A7+Leica R Summicron 90/2 all wide open,save the no 3 at f4.0
http://www.zeissimages.com/gallery/951/U951I1451213894.SEQ.0.jpg
http://www.zeissimages.com/gallery/951/U951I1457719179.SEQ.1.jpg
http://www.zeissimages.com/gallery/951/U951I1451213575.SEQ.7.jpg
http://www.zeissimages.com/gallery/951/U951I1457719179.SEQ.1.jpg
http://www.zeissimages.com/gallery/951/U951I1457879632.SEQ.5.jpg


Thank you, very very much.

Thanks for your work, your interest and your time.

You did an excellent job with the Nikkor.

So, I can't find easy to see differences between both lenses.

Very good eyes and good lenses.


PostPosted: Sun Nov 13, 2016 11:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

You could try and get a mamiya 645 80mm f1.9 or f2.8. IME, they perform superbly on FF with little CA and no vignetting at all. It performs well enough that I've not touched my Zeiss planar 85 f1.4 for a long time. They also work extremely well with extension tubes. This shot shows the 80mm lens next to my D810 with a 150mm f2.8 attached. (a really stunning lens)
Mamiya Lenses by Kyle, on Flickr

Here are a few samples from the f1.9, mostly wide open
KMW_9423 by Kyle, on Flickr

KMW_9430 by Kyle, on Flickr

Saab 96 by Kyle, on Flickr


and these are from the dinky f2.8
The Old Play Ground by Kyle, on Flickr

Daylily by Kyle, on Flickr


PostPosted: Mon Nov 14, 2016 8:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thank you, very much

Mamiya is known by the excellent normals lenses they made in 35 mm format and medium format too.

Some people said, in the past, that the SX 55/1,8 Mamiya lens was one of the best in that segment.

And the 80 mm lenses for the 645 are really good.