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Helios
Joined: 05 Jan 2008
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Location: East of France
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 Posted: Sun May 25, 2008 10:42 pm Post subject: Lens transplantations ... |
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Helios wrote:
I began folding's and enlarger lenses "surgery" in the early 70' with a Zeiss Novar 6,3/105 on a bellows . I did so with a dozen of lenses : Tessar 135/4,5 , Skopar 3,5/105, Apotar 105mm, T-22 Lubitel , Industar-23 /110mm , "noname anastigmat 105mm Lumière", meniscus from kodak boxes and "fex"( french plastic camera) , Zeiss Triotar 6,3/135 , a Lacour-Berthiot 6/100mm (stereo plate camera) . My preferred is the Lacour-Berthiot Eurygraphe (6 elements symmetrical) A very useful accessory : helicoïdal variable extension tube from Pentax .
Trioplan is very good, Skopar is prone to huge flare, T-22 is excellent ...
Meniscus in a "frankensteinized" industar-50 :
Zeiss Triotar :
And a result : kodak meniscus.
Lacour-Berthiot Eurygraphe 100mm f/6
And a picture :
This is a quite infinite domain to play within ... |
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Attila
Joined: 24 Feb 2007
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Location: Hungary
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Attila wrote:
Second lens is suprisingly good, doesn't seems that old than first one. Many thanks for sharing!
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Helios
Joined: 05 Jan 2008
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Location: East of France
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| Posted: Sun May 25, 2008 10:52 pm Post subject: |
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Helios wrote:
The Lacour Berthiot is over 100 years old (Before WW1). Yet , I was obliged to dismantle it completely to take away rust from diaph blades and to clean each element ... (6 independent) I found it on a flea market in a "wreck" state . Diaph re-assembly was hellish tricky . (12 blades , very small an thin) Saved ! and now 100% functionnal ...
This lens is relevant of symmetrical construction : If you dismount the rear or front group of three elements , you obtain a perfectly usable (iI didn't say "good", however ...) triplet of the double of focal length : 200 mm . But you divide the aperture by two : f/12 ... |
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Attila
Joined: 24 Feb 2007
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| Posted: Sun May 25, 2008 11:03 pm Post subject: |
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Attila wrote:
Amazing result from this old lens!
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Sony NEX-7 Carl Zeiss Planar 85mm f1.4, Minolta MD 35mm f1.8, Konica 135mm f2.5, Minolta MD 50mm f1.2, Minolta MD 250mm f5.6, Carl Zeiss Sonnar 180mm f2.8
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Brian
Joined: 10 May 2008
Posts: 83
Location: Virginia, US
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Brian wrote:
Wonderful! What cameras are you using these lenses with?
I've got an I-50 with damaged glass just screaming for a 50mm Meniscus lens! |
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luisalegria
Joined: 07 Mar 2008
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Location: San Francisco, USA
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luisalegria wrote:
You have some exotic stuff here ! And I'm sure you have plenty more.
I started down this line of antique lenses, and I hope to have something nice to show soon.
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poilu
Joined: 26 Aug 2007
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Location: Greece
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poilu wrote:
thanks Helios, that's a great post
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| And I'm sure you have plenty more |
yes, don't hide your knowledge and your best model is perfect to evaluate a lens.
architecture and landscape can be nice even on a phone cam but portrait don't lie
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Helios
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Helios wrote:
Hmmmm .... May be ... I have to scan boxes og negatives to do so ! I particularly like old west-germany lenses from isco,schneider, enna, schacht,astro-berlin.
Plastic Enna's are dirt cheap and surprisingly good ! I have the 28,35,135 (2,8, 3,5) the 240 and 300 all plastic mounts ! Poor design...They were sold at the end by quelle - revuenon and other brands - I'm waiting for a supplementary copy of the 135 , won 1 € on ebay !
I made portraits with almost 60 lenses , zoom , mid-wide , "normal" , tele under 200 (75,85,90,100,105,135,150) , and compact cameras such minox 35, Rollei 35se , Oly Xa (little marvel)
I'd like to create a picasa album . So I will do so !
Friend's portrait : Minox 35GT HP5 1/15s f/4 Indoor .
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emi007
Joined: 16 May 2008
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Location: GUANGZHOU CHINA
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emi007 wrote:
Splendid, and I will plan that manufacture some old lens transplant |
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estudleon
Joined: 15 May 2008
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Location: Argentina
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estudleon wrote:
Helios
have you the enna 4,5/240?
What about this?
Comparing the 240 and the 300, are one best than the other?
Thank you.
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Konica 2,8/100
CZJ: 4/20, 2,4/35, 1,8/50 aus jena, 3,5/135MC, Pentacon 1,8/50
Pentax S-M-C-1,4/50
Helios 44-3
Mamiya 2,8/135
Misc. : jupiter 9
Stuff used:
A) SRL
Alpa 10 D - kern macro Switar 1,9/50 -black, Kilffit apochromat 2/100.
Asahi pentax spotmatic super takumar 1,4/50
Contaflex super B tessar 2,8/50 Pro-tessar 115
Leica R3 electronic summicron 2/50 elmarit 2,8/35
Konica Autoreflex 3 (2 black and chrome one), TC, T4. 2,8/24, 3,5/28 not MC and MC, 1,8/40, 1,4/50, 1,7/50 MC and not MC, 1,8/85, 3,2/135, 3,5/135, 4/200
Minolta XG9 2,8/35, 2/45, 3,5/135
Nikkormat FTn 1,4/50, 2,8/135
Fujica ST 801, 605, 705n. 3,5/19, 1,4/50, 1,8/55, 4/85, 3,5/135.
Praktica MTL 5 and a lot of M42 lenses.
Voigtlander. Bessamatic m, bessamatix de luxe, bessamatic cs, ultramatic and ultramatic cs.
Skoparex 3,5/35, skopagon 2/40, skopar 2,8/50, skopar X 2,8/50, super lanthar (out of catalogue) 2,8/50, dinarex 3,4/90, dinarex 4,8/100, super dinarex 4/135, super dinarex 4/200, zoomar 2,8/36-83, portrait lens 0, 1 and 2. Curtagon 4/28 and 2,8/35
Canon AV1, 1,8/50
Rolleiflex SL35 and SL35 E. 2,8/35 angulon, 2,8/35 distagon, 1,4/55 rolleinar, 1,8/50 planar, 4/135 tessar, 2,8/135 rolleinar, x2 rollei, M42 to rollei adap.
Etc.
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Yashica Minister III
Voightlander Vito, vitomatic I, Vito C, etc.
Leica M. M2, M3 (d.s.) and M4. Schenider 3,4/21, 2/35 summaron 2,8/35 (with eyes). Summicron 2/35 (8 elements with eyes), 2/35 chrome, 2/35 black, 1,4/35 pre asph and aspheric - old -, 2/40 summicron, 2,8/50 elmar, 2/50 7 elements, 2/50 DR, 2/50 - minolta version, 1,4/50 summilux 1966 version, 1,4/75 summilux, 2/90 large version, 2/90 reduced version of 1987, 2,8/90 elmarit large version, 4/135 elmar. |
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Helios
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| Posted: Mon May 26, 2008 8:23 pm Post subject: |
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Helios wrote:
I just finished to clean my 240 , and the 300 is not ready to shoot ! Internal elements are greasy (giving "hamilton +++" effect), because this lens was probably exposed to the sun heat and the grease of helicoïd evaporated , condensed on the internal surfaces. I cleaned a dozen of lenses for the same problem . The 240 is reputedly good , and it is known that some copies are excellent . I'll do some tests pics with the 240 in a couple of weeks , but I have not yet dismantled the 300 ... |
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sbaruche
Joined: 23 Mar 2008
Posts: 25
Location: Toronto , Canada
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| Posted: Mon May 26, 2008 10:29 pm Post subject: another lens on bellow |
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sbaruche wrote:
wollensak 165mm/4.5 on a lumix L1 
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lumix L1 , Stak 1.4/50 , macro 4/50, 3.5/35 , 3.5/28, epson RD1 summicron 2/35 ASPH, elmar 2.8/50, digilux 2 , Bessa II. protar zeiss 6.3 /133
goerz anastigmat 180mm series III, wollensak raptar 165/4.5. angenieux 105/4.5, helios 40 |
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Helios
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Helios wrote:
Wollensak, Bausch & Lomb : I've no one . Nore british lenses like Dallmeyer , only a Taylor,Taylor & Hobson Cine Lens. These are dreamy !
This picture tends to proof 2 things : 1) old lenses are perfectly re-usable on Dslr's , 2) Sbaruche is a real artist ...  |
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sbaruche
Joined: 23 Mar 2008
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Location: Toronto , Canada
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| Posted: Tue May 27, 2008 1:29 am Post subject: old lenses |
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sbaruche wrote:
thanks helios another info to take into consideration these lens were created for BW when color films did not exist in today 's technology they are still made for BW
I will post more in the next couple of days including some photos taken with my helios 40
I have as well an outstanding enlarging angenieux lens 105/4.5
thanks
Keep showing your work with old lens let's try to open a separate folder
Sylvain
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lumix L1 , Stak 1.4/50 , macro 4/50, 3.5/35 , 3.5/28, epson RD1 summicron 2/35 ASPH, elmar 2.8/50, digilux 2 , Bessa II. protar zeiss 6.3 /133
goerz anastigmat 180mm series III, wollensak raptar 165/4.5. angenieux 105/4.5, helios 40 |
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vilva
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| Posted: Tue May 27, 2008 2:29 am Post subject: Re: old lenses |
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vilva wrote:
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| thanks helios another info to take into consideration these lens were created for BW when color films did not exist in today 's technology they are still made for BW |
Practically all lenses designed during the last 120 years (or even more) are perfectly usable for color, e.g. a Tessar is a Tessar whether 100 years old or made to-day, the only difference is the lack of coating in older lenses. I've got 90 years old lenses which exhibit less CA than any of my more modern lenses except perhaps the 4/180 APO-Lanthar - and I'm not too sure even about that. Have a look e.g. at photos taken with a 90 years old Cooke triplet: http://galactinus.net/vilva/retro/eos350d_cooke3.html or photos taken with an even simpler and cheaper lens, an 85 years old Aldis Uno: http://galactinus.net/vilva/retro/nruno.html.
Here is a photo taken through a shop window with a slightly newer Cooke Aviar mounted on an EOS350D:
A full-size version is available at http://galactinus.net/vilva/retro/demo/av0099s.jpg, no contrast adjustments, very minimal sharpening. As far as I can see there is nothing wrong with the colors of a lens "made for BW".
Veijo
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sbaruche
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| Posted: Thu May 29, 2008 5:46 pm Post subject: cine mount lens on DSLR |
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sbaruche wrote:
I am planning to adapt c mount cine lens such as angenieux or Kinoptik of high quality on my 4/3 system Lumix L1 . (similar to olympus E330)
Which focal should I choose to be able to use the 4/3 sensor and keep infinity focus ?
I have a c mount M42 adapter so I can either put the lens directly on the Lumix bayonet or via a bellow
Most of the cine lens have a short ffp so shoud use a minum of a 70 mm
help and advices would be appreciated
Sylvain
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lumix L1 , Stak 1.4/50 , macro 4/50, 3.5/35 , 3.5/28, epson RD1 summicron 2/35 ASPH, elmar 2.8/50, digilux 2 , Bessa II. protar zeiss 6.3 /133
goerz anastigmat 180mm series III, wollensak raptar 165/4.5. angenieux 105/4.5, helios 40 |
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Helios
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| Posted: Thu May 29, 2008 7:12 pm Post subject: |
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Helios wrote:
I'm afraid it is not very easy , the c-mount register is .69" , 17,26mm. Usable in macro-photo and nothing else , except perhaps with telephoto lenses with no rear group , after shortening the mount , if it is possible.....
I made some macro trials with tth and angénieux C-mount lenses with poor results.Usable cine lenses are of 35mm movie cameras relevant (mitchell, arri,konvas.., etc ...) |
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patrickh
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patrickh wrote:
You guys are awesome
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MF Zooms: Kiron 28-85/3.5, 28-105/3.2, 75-150/3.5, Nikkor 50-135/3.5 AIS // MF Primes: Nikkor 20/4 AI, 24/2 AI, 28/2 AI, 28/2.8 AIS, 28/3.5 AI, 35/1.4 AIS, 35/2 AIS, 35/2.8 PC, 45/2.8 P, 50/1.4 AIS, 50/1.8 AIS, 50/2 AI, 55/2.8 AIS micro, 55/3.5 AI micro, 85/2 AI, 100/2,8 E, 105/1,8 AIS, 105/2,5 AIS, 135/2 AIS, 135/2.8 AIS, 200/4 AI, 200/4 AIS micro, 300/4.5 AI, 300/4.5 AI ED, Arsat 50/1.4, Kiron 28/2, Vivitar 28/2.5, Panagor 135/2.8, Tamron 28/2.5, Tamron 90/2.5 macro, Vivitar 90/2.5 macro (Tokina) Voigtlander 90/3.5 Vivitar 105/2.5 macro (Kiron) Kaleinar 100/2.8 AI Tamron 135/2.5, Vivitar 135/2.8CF, 200/3.5, Tokina 400/5,6
M42: Vivitar 28/2.5, Tamron 28/2.5, Formula5 28/2.8, Mamiya 28/2.8, Pentacon 29/2.8, Flektogon 35/2.4, Flektogon 35/2.8, Takumar 35/3.5, Curtagon 35/4, Takumar 50/1.4, Volna-6 50/2.8 macro, Mamiya 50/1.4, CZJ Pancolar 50/1,8, Oreston 50/1.8, Takumar 50/2, Industar 50/3.5, Sears 55/1.4, Helios 58/2, Jupiter 85/2, Helios 85/1.5, Takumar 105/2.8, Steinheil macro 105/4.5, Tamron 135/2.5, Jupiter 135/4, CZ 135/4, Steinheil Culminar 135/4,5, Jupiter 135/3.5, Takumar 135/3.5, Tair 135/2.8, Pentacon 135/2.8, CZ 135/2.8, Taika 135/3.5, Takumar 150/4, Jupiter 200/4, Takumar 200/4
Exakta: Topcon 100/2.8(M42), 35/2.8, 58/1.8, 135/2.8, 135/2.8 (M42), Kyoei Acall 135/3.5
C/Y: Yashica 28/2.8, 50/1.7, 135/2.8, Zeiss Planar 50/1.4, Distagon 25/2.8
Hexanon: 28/3.5, 35/2.8, 40/1.8, 50/1.7, 52/1.8, 135/3.2, 135/3.5, 35-70/3.5, 200/3.5
P6 : Mir 38 65/3.5, Biometar 80/2.8, Kaleinar 150/2.8, Sonnar 180/2.8
Minolta SR: 28/2.8, 28/3.5, 35/2.8, 45/2, 50/2, 58/1.4, 50/1.7, 135/2.8, 200/3.5
RF: Industar 53/2.8, Jupiter 8 50/2
Enlarg: Rodagon 50/5,6, 80/5,6, 105/5.6, Vario 44-52/4, 150/5.6 180/5.6 El Nikkor 50/2,8,63/2.8,75/4, 80/5,6, 105/5.6, 135/5.6 Schneider 60/5.6, 80/5.6, 80/4S,100/5.6S,105/5.6,135/5.6, 135/5.6S, 150/5.6S, Leica 95/4 |
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