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uddhava
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Posted: Wed Dec 02, 2015 8:43 pm Post subject: Pentacon 2.8/29mm |
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uddhava wrote:
I took a few shots in Budapest with this lens recently.
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thebbm
Joined: 11 Dec 2013 Posts: 294 Location: France montpellier
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Posted: Wed Dec 02, 2015 8:50 pm Post subject: |
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thebbm wrote:
perform far far better than the one i get |
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Oldhand
Joined: 01 Apr 2013 Posts: 6002 Location: Mid North Coast NSW - Australia
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Posted: Wed Dec 02, 2015 8:58 pm Post subject: |
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Oldhand wrote:
Very nice results - well done
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uddhava
Joined: 22 Aug 2012 Posts: 3072 Location: Hungary
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Posted: Wed Dec 02, 2015 9:03 pm Post subject: |
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uddhava wrote:
Thank you both.
I was fortunate to have some sunny weather.
I have heard many persons have gotten bad copies of this lens.
Mine seems fine. |
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Oldhand
Joined: 01 Apr 2013 Posts: 6002 Location: Mid North Coast NSW - Australia
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Posted: Wed Dec 02, 2015 9:07 pm Post subject: |
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Oldhand wrote:
uddhava wrote: |
Thank you both.
I was fortunate to have some sunny weather.
I have heard many persons have gotten bad copies of this lens.
Mine seems fine. |
Yes, I think that you should be very pleased with it.
The results are very good indeed.
OH
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Attila
Joined: 24 Feb 2007 Posts: 57865 Location: Hungary
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Posted: Wed Dec 02, 2015 9:14 pm Post subject: |
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Attila wrote:
A 'gamble' lens you got best one seems, congrats! _________________ -------------------------------
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newst
Joined: 21 Oct 2014 Posts: 617 Location: Troy, MI USA
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Posted: Wed Dec 02, 2015 11:47 pm Post subject: |
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newst wrote:
I used to have a Zeiss Jena version. An adequate performer but nothing spectacular. Zeiss name but no Zeiss zing. _________________ Steve
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Attila
Joined: 24 Feb 2007 Posts: 57865 Location: Hungary
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Posted: Wed Dec 02, 2015 11:53 pm Post subject: |
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Attila wrote:
newst wrote: |
I used to have a Zeiss Jena version. An adequate performer but nothing spectacular. Zeiss name but no Zeiss zing. |
This is a Pentacon lens, may exists with Prakticar name as well, but Carl Zeiss Jena never made it, probably yours a Japanese lens ?! _________________ -------------------------------
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newst
Joined: 21 Oct 2014 Posts: 617 Location: Troy, MI USA
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Posted: Thu Dec 03, 2015 12:05 am Post subject: |
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newst wrote:
I do believe that back in the day when the DDR merged a number of lens manufacturers Zeiss ended up producing the 29mm Pentacon designed lens.
http://slrlensreview.com/web/reviews/carl-zeiss-lenses-swhorizontalmenu-172/zeiss-wide-angle/397-carl-zeiss-jena-29mm-f28-m42-lens-review _________________ Steve
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ManualFocus-G
Joined: 29 Dec 2008 Posts: 6622 Location: United Kingdom
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Posted: Thu Dec 03, 2015 12:10 am Post subject: |
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ManualFocus-G wrote:
Yep, the Pentacon 29/2.8 was also branded Carl Zeiss Jena for the final few years of production. Same lens of course _________________ Graham - Moderator
Shooter of choice: Fujifilm X-T20 with M42, PB and C/Y lenses
See my Flickr photos at http://www.flickr.com/photos/manualfocus-g |
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kds315*
Joined: 12 Mar 2008 Posts: 16651 Location: Weinheim, Germany
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Posted: Thu Dec 03, 2015 7:56 am Post subject: |
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kds315* wrote:
Surprisingly good!! I have some sleeping here...hmm should use them!! _________________ Klaus - Admin
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Attila
Joined: 24 Feb 2007 Posts: 57865 Location: Hungary
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Posted: Thu Dec 03, 2015 1:46 pm Post subject: |
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Attila wrote:
Indeed just rebagged P means Pentacon, not made in Jena factory. _________________ -------------------------------
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vanylapep
Joined: 03 Jan 2014 Posts: 312
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Posted: Thu Dec 03, 2015 2:52 pm Post subject: |
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vanylapep wrote:
What's unique about this lens? |
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Attila
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Posted: Thu Dec 03, 2015 4:17 pm Post subject: |
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Attila wrote:
Price .. cheap _________________ -------------------------------
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thebbm
Joined: 11 Dec 2013 Posts: 294 Location: France montpellier
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Posted: Thu Dec 03, 2015 5:25 pm Post subject: |
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thebbm wrote:
vanylapep wrote: |
What's unique about this lens? |
Ramdom fabrication quality |
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Attila
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Posted: Thu Dec 03, 2015 5:48 pm Post subject: |
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Attila wrote:
thebbm wrote: |
vanylapep wrote: |
What's unique about this lens? |
Ramdom fabrication quality |
+1 great lottery _________________ -------------------------------
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Sony NEX-7 Carl Zeiss Planar 85mm f1.4, Minolta MD 35mm f1.8, Konica 135mm f2.5, Minolta MD 50mm f1.2, Minolta MD 250mm f5.6, Carl Zeiss Sonnar 180mm f2.8
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uddhava
Joined: 22 Aug 2012 Posts: 3072 Location: Hungary
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Posted: Thu Dec 03, 2015 6:05 pm Post subject: |
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uddhava wrote:
vanylapep wrote: |
What's unique about this lens? |
Also...
You can focus up to .25 meters or 10 inches.
Can have kind of wild bokeh if desired.
I can test it a little. Perhaps there are some tests on this forum. |
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Gerald
Joined: 25 Mar 2014 Posts: 1196 Location: Brazil
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Posted: Thu Dec 03, 2015 7:53 pm Post subject: |
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Gerald wrote:
Regarding the photos in the original post, the colors are well saturated, so we can say the optical lens surfaces must be clean and well polished. The general definition looks good. That lens certainly isn't a lemon. Sadly, the images are 6 MP only, what does not permit a good analysis of sharpness. In addition, an APS-C camera was used, what precludes any analysis of the outer portions of the lens' image circle. Information about the apertures used weren't provided, too, but any decent 28mm lens should work fine with F8 or F11 aperture.
Specific comments on the photos
Photo #1
The right side is a little softer than the left. It looks like the focal plane is slightly inclined due to inaccuracy of adapter, lens mount or camera flange; or maybe there is some decentering of the optical elements. Anyway, the effect is quite small to be ignored in most cases.
Photo #2
The same.
Photo #4
Coma visible in the corners, especially the lower left corner. This is typical of wide angle lenses when working wide open. Solution to cases like this: close the aperture to F11 and corners and edges will be much sharper.
Comments about the Pentacon 29mm F2.8 lens
A clue to this strange focal length is that Modern Photography measured it once and found the value 30.6mm. That is, 29mm is within the usual margin of 5% compared to the actual value of the focal length.
I have a copy of the Pentacon 29mm F2.8 and I can say it is a well-built lens and its performance is typical of many 28mm lenses of its time.
In my opinion, the Pentacon 29mm F2.8 is an underrated lens and the reasons for this are as follows:
1. It was produced in huge quantities at a time when East Germany desperately needed foreign exchange. The Japanese manufacturers were very competitive, so "made in GDR" lenses had to be sold at a very low price.
2. During the Cold War, the products produced in socialist countries were not well regarded in the West, and generally considered of low quality. This bad reputation was not entirely unjustified, however.
3. Collectors are more interested in famous names and rarity than in real technical quality. The Pentacon lenses are genuine Meyer lenses, but the name Meyer is not written on the lens ring. The Pentacon lenses were manufactured by the millions on the wrong side of the Iron Curtain, so it has always been a cheap lens.
4. Pentacon lenses very easy to open, so a lot of unskilled people have "repaired" Pentacon lenses (I just wonder how many Pentacon lenses have been destroyed by those lens "experts"). Hence the widespread opinion you need luck to get a good Pentacon lens.
5. Finally, never underestimate the psychological aspects, in particular the "price factor". Most people find difficult to assess the real quality of a lens, so expensive lenses are usually considered better than cheaper lenses, regardless of their relative technical merits. Leica and Zeiss, for example, know very well how to take advantage of people's ego. _________________ If raindrops were perfect lenses, the rainbow did not exist. |
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iangreenhalgh1
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Posted: Thu Dec 03, 2015 9:39 pm Post subject: |
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iangreenhalgh1 wrote:
The problem with the Pentacon 2.8/29 is field curvature which makes the outer part of the frame soft until the lens is closed down to f5.6. You can see the softness of the edges even on APS-C. The 2.8/28 that replaced it is a marked improvement. _________________ I don't care who designed it, who made it or what country it comes from - I just enjoy using it! |
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Gerald
Joined: 25 Mar 2014 Posts: 1196 Location: Brazil
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Posted: Fri Dec 04, 2015 5:33 pm Post subject: |
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Gerald wrote:
According to my observations, the main aberration that affects sharpness in the corners is coma. Coma reduces the contrast of fine details without greatly affecting the ultimate resolution. In contrast field curvature produces the effect of a slight defocusing, which significantly affects the ultimate resolution. Let's take a look at how the Pentacon 29mm F2.8 reproduces fine details for the various apertures. The pictures below are 100% crops of size 400 x 300 pixels. You should multiply the size of these rectangles by 15 to have the size of the full image. The images were converted from RAW without sharpening. Vignetting was corrected, but this doesn't affect resolution.
Upper left corner:
Center:
Upper left corner at F5.6 - Sharpened
The slightly whitening of the black squares' edges is caused by coma. Note how coma reduces the contrast of details, especially for the largest apertures F2.8, F4 and F5.6. Also note that when the lens is closed down from F2.8 to F4, the image quality in the corners is about the same. The quality in the corners only begins to improve noticeably when aperture is closed at least two stops. By the way, this is more or less normal for most lenses.
The corners improve significantly by F8, they are very good at F11, but still there is a small improvement at F16. Note that lateral chromatic aberration is more noticeable for small apertures. Luckily, lateral CA can be easily corrected in post-processing.
Rule of thumb: if you want high sharpness across the image, use F8, or preferably F11 or F16. Use the three widest apertures only in situations where corner sharpness is not important, or when light conditions are precarious and you cannot use a tripod. Out of curiosity I tried to sharpen in PP the corner for F5.6 aperture. Although PP doesn't work miracles, it is possible to greatly enhance the perceived sharpness.
What about the sharpness in the center? As expected the sharpness in the center are much higher than in the corners, especially for wide open. Indeed, sharpness in the center of the field is is already so high wide open that increase in sharpness is not dramatic if the lens is stopped down.
Finally, it is interesting to compare the performance of the Pentacon 29mm F2.8 with the SAL-28F28 Sony 28mm F/2.8. The images below were extracted from the review done by Kurt Munger in:
http://kurtmunger.com/sony_28mm_f_2_8_reviewid238.html
Note how the corner is smeared at F2.8 and F4. In fact, the behavior of the Sony lens is very similar to the Pentacon. To be fair, this kind of behavior is typical of most traditional wide angle lenses. I kept Kurt Munger's comments because they are spot on.
Again, if you want excellence in the center, stop the lens down two stops; if you want excellence at the edges, stop down four stops. _________________ If raindrops were perfect lenses, the rainbow did not exist. |
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