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Oldhand
Joined: 01 Apr 2013 Posts: 5999 Location: Mid North Coast NSW - Australia
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Posted: Sun Aug 23, 2015 8:13 am Post subject: Mir-1B (V) , Jupiter 12 or Nikkor S 2.8/35 ??? |
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Oldhand wrote:
A discussion about the merits of any of these lenses.
A friend is looking in this price range and wants some advice.
All of these cost about the same - any recommendation that stands above the others?
Many thanks
OH |
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tb_a
Joined: 26 Jan 2010 Posts: 3678 Location: Austria
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Posted: Sun Aug 23, 2015 8:22 am Post subject: Re: Mir-1B (V) , Jupiter 12 or Nikkor S 2.8/35 ??? |
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tb_a wrote:
Oldhand wrote: |
A discussion about the merits of any of these lenses.
A friend is looking in this price range and wants some advice.
All of these cost about the same - any recommendation that stands above the others?
Many thanks
OH |
You may look at my 35mm lens comparison where the Russians are included:
http://forum.mflenses.com/test-of-different-35mm-lenses-on-aps-c-sensor-t71258,highlight,+35mm++test.html
Especially the crops of the red toy car maybe helpful.
I do also have the Nikkor lens but I didn't have the proper adapter at the time of testing. So the Nikkor is missing.
BTW, I didn't test it up to now, although I have purchased meanwhile the necessary adapter.
It may play a very important role on which camera those lenses should be used. _________________ Thomas Bernardy
Manual focus lenses mainly from Minolta, Pentax, Voigtlaender, Leitz, Topcon and from Russia (too many to be listed here). |
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Oldhand
Joined: 01 Apr 2013 Posts: 5999 Location: Mid North Coast NSW - Australia
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Posted: Sun Aug 23, 2015 10:12 pm Post subject: |
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Oldhand wrote:
Thank you Thomas for the link and also for the time that you devoted to the comparison.
I think that his camera is a mirrorless, but I can't remember which - Sony, Fuji or Olympus probably - as these are the most common in our club.
Cheers
OH |
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Nordentro
Joined: 24 Jun 2010 Posts: 4713 Location: Lillehammer, Norway
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Posted: Sun Aug 23, 2015 10:18 pm Post subject: |
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Nordentro wrote:
I think Sony FF (of the three mentioned) is the only cam who can accept the J-12?!? _________________ Lars | Manuellfokus.no |
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Oldhand
Joined: 01 Apr 2013 Posts: 5999 Location: Mid North Coast NSW - Australia
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Posted: Sun Aug 23, 2015 10:37 pm Post subject: |
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Oldhand wrote:
Nordentro wrote: |
I think Sony FF (of the three mentioned) is the only cam who can accept the J-12?!? |
Thank you Nordentro - that is interesting. I know that he said that he could get adapters for these lenses mentioned. Does the Jupiter 12 present a problem with its rear element?
OH |
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tb_a
Joined: 26 Jan 2010 Posts: 3678 Location: Austria
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Posted: Sun Aug 23, 2015 11:57 pm Post subject: |
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tb_a wrote:
Oldhand wrote: |
Nordentro wrote: |
I think Sony FF (of the three mentioned) is the only cam who can accept the J-12?!? |
Thank you Nordentro - that is interesting. I know that he said that he could get adapters for these lenses mentioned. Does the Jupiter 12 present a problem with its rear element?
OH |
That's the reason why I've asked for the camera.
I think my Ricoh GXR-M is the only one which can accept the J-12 besides the A7 models.
That's actually the most obvious advantage of the Ricoh: It was developed especially for the use of RF/LTM lenses and cannot only adapt most of them like the other ones.
The rear glass element which reaches into the camera doesn't fit mechanically into other crop sensor cameras.
So in this case the J-12 is out anyway. Maybe I can test the Nikkor-S against the Mir-1 if you wish. I could use a NEX, Lumix MFT or the Ricoh for that.
Just let me know. _________________ Thomas Bernardy
Manual focus lenses mainly from Minolta, Pentax, Voigtlaender, Leitz, Topcon and from Russia (too many to be listed here). |
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Oldhand
Joined: 01 Apr 2013 Posts: 5999 Location: Mid North Coast NSW - Australia
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Posted: Mon Aug 24, 2015 12:16 am Post subject: |
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Oldhand wrote:
tb_a wrote: |
Oldhand wrote: |
Nordentro wrote: |
I think Sony FF (of the three mentioned) is the only cam who can accept the J-12?!? |
Thank you Nordentro - that is interesting. I know that he said that he could get adapters for these lenses mentioned. Does the Jupiter 12 present a problem with its rear element?
OH |
That's the reason why I've asked for the camera.
I think my Ricoh GXR-M is the only one which can accept the J-12 besides the A7 models.
That's actually the most obvious advantage of the Ricoh: It was developed especially for the use of RF/LTM lenses and cannot only adapt most of them like the other ones.
The rear glass element which reaches into the camera doesn't fit mechanically into other crop sensor cameras.
So in this case the J-12 is out anyway. Maybe I can test the Nikkor-S against the Mir-1 if you wish. I could use a NEX, Lumix MFT or the Ricoh for that.
Just let me know. |
Thank you Thomas, this would be helpful. I think he has an XT-1 Fuji but that would rule out the J12.
Of course there may be some other 35mm lenses in that price range that would be of similar quality - these are simply the ones that he mentioned that he was considering.
OH |
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tb_a
Joined: 26 Jan 2010 Posts: 3678 Location: Austria
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Posted: Mon Aug 24, 2015 12:49 am Post subject: |
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tb_a wrote:
Oldhand wrote: |
Thank you Thomas, this would be helpful. I think he has an XT-1 Fuji but that would rule out the J12.
Of course there may be some other 35mm lenses in that price range that would be of similar quality - these are simply the ones that he mentioned that he was considering.
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I can certainly do that. What you might have seen already from my test, the Minolta MD 35/2.8 would be far better than the MIR-1 and shouldn't be more expensive as well.
However, still no glue how the Nikkor-S performs in comparison. Will find out and report back.... _________________ Thomas Bernardy
Manual focus lenses mainly from Minolta, Pentax, Voigtlaender, Leitz, Topcon and from Russia (too many to be listed here). |
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tb_a
Joined: 26 Jan 2010 Posts: 3678 Location: Austria
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Posted: Mon Aug 24, 2015 7:31 am Post subject: |
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tb_a wrote:
As a first part I show you a picture of the lenses in your short list in direct comparison of size.
Instead of the J-12 I've included the Minolta lens (which is btw. the first choice already if size matters):
For better comparison all lenses are mounted on the Leica M adapter.
Pictures taken with Ricoh GXR-M / Topcor 9cm/3.5 M39/LTM.
Obviously there was dust on the sensor. Sorry for that.
Test pictures will follow. _________________ Thomas Bernardy
Manual focus lenses mainly from Minolta, Pentax, Voigtlaender, Leitz, Topcon and from Russia (too many to be listed here). |
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tb_a
Joined: 26 Jan 2010 Posts: 3678 Location: Austria
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Posted: Mon Aug 24, 2015 12:13 pm Post subject: |
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tb_a wrote:
Done: http://forum.mflenses.com/35mm-2-8-rokkor-vs-nikkor-vs-mir-37-t72410.html _________________ Thomas Bernardy
Manual focus lenses mainly from Minolta, Pentax, Voigtlaender, Leitz, Topcon and from Russia (too many to be listed here). |
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Oldhand
Joined: 01 Apr 2013 Posts: 5999 Location: Mid North Coast NSW - Australia
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Posted: Mon Aug 24, 2015 9:54 pm Post subject: |
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Oldhand wrote:
My thanks for all your work Thomas.
These comparisons are very valuable for those selecting a suitable lens.
The Minolta certainly looks good.
OH |
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tb_a
Joined: 26 Jan 2010 Posts: 3678 Location: Austria
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Posted: Mon Aug 24, 2015 10:28 pm Post subject: |
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tb_a wrote:
Oldhand wrote: |
My thanks for all your work Thomas.
These comparisons are very valuable for those selecting a suitable lens.
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I am certainly delighted if it makes sense as well.
It's not really "work". I'm retiree anyway.
Maybe it will help me as well to reduce my number of lenses....
But should I really sell any lens? Never done that before.... _________________ Thomas Bernardy
Manual focus lenses mainly from Minolta, Pentax, Voigtlaender, Leitz, Topcon and from Russia (too many to be listed here).
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newst
Joined: 21 Oct 2014 Posts: 617 Location: Troy, MI USA
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Posted: Mon Aug 24, 2015 11:48 pm Post subject: |
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newst wrote:
tb_a wrote: |
But should I really sell any lens? Never done that before.... |
If you do decide to sell some lenses it will feel wrong at first but at some point you will suddenly discover that you have the additional funds to buy even more lenses and space to store them in. Not a bad position to be in. _________________ Steve
Just an armadillo on the shoulder of the information superhighway. |
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tb_a
Joined: 26 Jan 2010 Posts: 3678 Location: Austria
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Posted: Tue Aug 25, 2015 4:27 am Post subject: |
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tb_a wrote:
newst wrote: |
If you do decide to sell some lenses it will feel wrong at first but at some point you will suddenly discover that you have the additional funds to buy even more lenses and space to store them in. Not a bad position to be in. |
Certainly.
But is that the solution?
Maybe I start with any other collection first..... _________________ Thomas Bernardy
Manual focus lenses mainly from Minolta, Pentax, Voigtlaender, Leitz, Topcon and from Russia (too many to be listed here). |
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