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DigiChromeEd
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Posted: Wed Oct 06, 2021 7:26 am Post subject: 24mm full frame recommendations needed |
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DigiChromeEd wrote:
I'm looking for a 24mm prime lens to use on a full frame Canon EOS camera mainly for landscape work.
It needs to be sharp right into the corners of the frame when stopped down to f8/f11.
Any thoughts? Thank you. _________________ "I've got a Nikon camera, I like to take a photograph" - Paul Simon |
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sergun
Joined: 01 Jun 2017 Posts: 289 Location: наша раша
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Posted: Wed Oct 06, 2021 9:00 am Post subject: |
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sergun wrote:
Native 24/2.8 is . I shot them on a full-frame Sony, I liked it, the corners are covered, the color, the distortion is normal and not like modern bzk tamrons, etc. Only the sunsrars are not very )
Sony A7R2 (Canon ef 24/2.8 is)
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lumens pixel
Joined: 27 Feb 2019 Posts: 868
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Posted: Wed Oct 06, 2021 11:00 am Post subject: |
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lumens pixel wrote:
Old Sigma MF or AF 24mm 2,8.
You need a good copy of course. I had to get rid of one and was finally so happy I bought it in two mounts (MD and FD).
It was even more difficult to obtain a good copy of the Tamron adaptall 24 2,8. You will obtain same results as the Sigma but a stop later. So the Sigma is the best option to my eyes but a cheap Tamron is not to disregard. I finally got rid of the Tamron since it was fungused but this does not reduce the quality of the computation.
I have owned Canon FD and Minolta MD 24 2,8. Canon has sliders problems difficult to manage unless you are good at mechanics and Minolta is a step behind in quality at this focal length.
I have not tested the modern lenses discussed above which are certainly very nice. _________________ Lumens Pixel
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Minolta SR mount: 16 2,8; Sigma SuperWide 24 2,8; 28 2,5; 28 2,8; 28 3,5; 35 2,8; 45 2,0; 50 1,4; 50 1,7; 50 2,0; 58 1,4; 85 2,0; 100 2,5; 100 4 Macro; 135 3,5; 135 2,8; 200 4; RF 250 5,6; 24-35 3,5; 35-70 3,5; 75-150 4; 70-210 4
Canon FD mount: Tokina RMC 17 3,5; 28 2,8; 35 2,8; 50 1,8; 50 3,5 Macro; 55 1,2; 135 3,5; 135 2,5; 200 4,0; 300 5,6; 28-55 3,5 4,5; Tokina SZ-X SD 270; 70-150 4,5; 70-210 f4; 80-200 4L; Tokina SZ-X 845
Tamron Adaptall: 28-80 3,5-4,2 (27A); 70-210 3,8-4 (46A); 60-300 (23A); 90 2,5 (52B); 35-135 3,5-4,5 (40A)
Tamron SP: 20-40 2,7-3,5 (266D) |
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D1N0
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Posted: Wed Oct 06, 2021 11:09 am Post subject: |
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D1N0 wrote:
If you don't mind the size Samyang/Rokinon etc. 24mm 1:1.4 More modern than all those vintage 24mm options. It's discontinued I think so you'll have to buy used. _________________ pentaxian |
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Oldhand
Joined: 01 Apr 2013 Posts: 5999 Location: Mid North Coast NSW - Australia
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Posted: Wed Oct 06, 2021 11:14 am Post subject: |
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Oldhand wrote:
I hesitate to offer these two suggestions on an MF forum, but both lenses can be focused manually.
The Sigma ART 24/1.4 and the Sigma ART 24-105/4 are both stellar.
The Zoom is particularly good at 24mm
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eggplant
Joined: 27 May 2020 Posts: 517
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Posted: Wed Oct 06, 2021 3:03 pm Post subject: |
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eggplant wrote:
You could try a Sigma 24mm f1.8, which is autofocus but can be focused manually. Alot of the vintage manual focus 24mm lenses are watched like hawks. |
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bp_reid
Joined: 06 Jan 2021 Posts: 57 Location: London, UK
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Posted: Wed Oct 06, 2021 3:13 pm Post subject: |
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bp_reid wrote:
On an Eos DSLR the most flexible 24mm prime in landscape work is the TS- E 24mm L Mark II. It's also a decent 34mm lens used with the EF 1.4x III, a combo I would rate as being broadly equivalent to my Zeiss Contax fit 35mm PC-Distagon.
On a budget consider an MC version of the Olympus OM 24mm f/2.8 which is sharper, earlier, than the Sigma Tamron or Canon FD options. |
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sergun
Joined: 01 Jun 2017 Posts: 289 Location: наша раша
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Posted: Wed Oct 06, 2021 5:23 pm Post subject: |
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sergun wrote:
Of vintage lenses, I can advise nfd 24/2.8. The corners are covered on f11. Bad: glare, sun rays, however, like all vintage lenses. The price difference is not that big between the fd and the ef. EF native bayonet with exif and af. )
nfd 24
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DigiChromeEd
Joined: 29 Dec 2009 Posts: 3460 Location: Northern Ireland
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Posted: Wed Oct 06, 2021 7:01 pm Post subject: |
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DigiChromeEd wrote:
Oldhand wrote: |
I hesitate to offer these two suggestions on an MF forum, but both lenses can be focused manually.
The Sigma ART 24/1.4 and the Sigma ART 24-105/4 are both stellar.
The Zoom is particularly good at 24mm
Tom |
Thanks Tom, but they both sport 'stellar' prices too! _________________ "I've got a Nikon camera, I like to take a photograph" - Paul Simon |
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DigiChromeEd
Joined: 29 Dec 2009 Posts: 3460 Location: Northern Ireland
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Posted: Wed Oct 06, 2021 7:03 pm Post subject: |
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DigiChromeEd wrote:
lumens pixel wrote: |
Old Sigma MF or AF 24mm 2,8.
You need a good copy of course. I had to get rid of one and was finally so happy I bought it in two mounts (MD and FD).
It was even more difficult to obtain a good copy of the Tamron adaptall 24 2,8. You will obtain same results as the Sigma but a stop later. So the Sigma is the best option to my eyes but a cheap Tamron is not to disregard. I finally got rid of the Tamron since it was fungused but this does not reduce the quality of the computation.
I have owned Canon FD and Minolta MD 24 2,8. Canon has sliders problems difficult to manage unless you are good at mechanics and Minolta is a step behind in quality at this focal length.
I have not tested the modern lenses discussed above which are certainly very nice. |
I recently sold my mf Sigma 24mm as the corners weren't sharp at any aperture. _________________ "I've got a Nikon camera, I like to take a photograph" - Paul Simon |
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DigiChromeEd
Joined: 29 Dec 2009 Posts: 3460 Location: Northern Ireland
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Posted: Wed Oct 06, 2021 7:04 pm Post subject: |
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DigiChromeEd wrote:
D1N0 wrote: |
If you don't mind the size Samyang/Rokinon etc. 24mm 1:1.4 More modern than all those vintage 24mm options. It's discontinued I think so you'll have to buy used. |
Too expensive I'm afraid atm. _________________ "I've got a Nikon camera, I like to take a photograph" - Paul Simon |
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DigiChromeEd
Joined: 29 Dec 2009 Posts: 3460 Location: Northern Ireland
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Posted: Wed Oct 06, 2021 7:14 pm Post subject: |
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DigiChromeEd wrote:
bp_reid wrote: |
On an Eos DSLR the most flexible 24mm prime in landscape work is the TS- E 24mm L Mark II. It's also a decent 34mm lens used with the EF 1.4x III, a combo I would rate as being broadly equivalent to my Zeiss Contax fit 35mm PC-Distagon.
On a budget consider an MC version of the Olympus OM 24mm f/2.8 which is sharper, earlier, than the Sigma Tamron or Canon FD options. |
I had thought about the MC Olympus but they don't appear very often. Plenty available on eBay from Japan and they are in my price range. You have to remember to factor in the cost of import duty. A few months ago I bought a Pentax K 3.5/28 from Japan and forgot about the tax until an invoice arrived from DHL a week after the lens arrived for £40. You live and learn. _________________ "I've got a Nikon camera, I like to take a photograph" - Paul Simon |
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DigiChromeEd
Joined: 29 Dec 2009 Posts: 3460 Location: Northern Ireland
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Posted: Wed Oct 06, 2021 7:16 pm Post subject: |
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DigiChromeEd wrote:
sergun wrote: |
Native 24/2.8 is . I shot them on a full-frame Sony, I liked it, the corners are covered, the color, the distortion is normal and not like modern bzk tamrons, etc. Only the sunsrars are not very )
Sony A7R2 (Canon ef 24/2.8 is)
floodplain-16 by Сергей Пашнин, on Flickr |
Thanks for the photo, another lens to consider. _________________ "I've got a Nikon camera, I like to take a photograph" - Paul Simon |
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stevemark
Joined: 29 Apr 2011 Posts: 3926 Location: Switzerland
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Posted: Thu Oct 07, 2021 3:31 pm Post subject: Re: 24mm full frame recommendations needed |
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stevemark wrote:
DigiChromeEd wrote: |
I'm looking for a 24mm prime lens to use on a full frame Canon EOS camera mainly for landscape work.
It needs to be sharp right into the corners of the frame when stopped down to f8/f11.
Any thoughts? Thank you. |
Some years ago I have been comparing a few common vintage 24mm primes on 24 MP FF Sony A7 / A7II, checking especially their properties at infinity, both in the field and in the corners (all centers were very good even wide open):
* Canon nFD 2/24mm
* Canon FD 2.8/24mm
* Canon nFD 2.8/24mm
* Kiron 2/24mm
* Konica AR 2.8/24mm
* Konica AR 2.8/24mm (later compact version)
* Minolta MC-X 2.8/24mm (first heavy version)
* Minolta MD-II 2.8/24mm (slightly modified computation)
* Minolta MD-III 2.8/24mm (new computation)
* Nikkor AiS 2/24mm
* Nikkor-N Auto 2.8/24mm
* Nikkor Ai 2.8/24mm
* Nikkor AiS 2.8/24mm
* Pentax (Asahi) Super-Takumar 3.5/24mm
* Pentax-A 2.8/24mm
* Yashica ML 2.8/24mm
* Zeiss CY 2.8/25mm
Out of these, the Nikkor and the Kiron 2/24mm were the worst for landscape purposes, and both the Minolta MD-III as well as the Canon nFD 2.8/24mm were best. The Nikkor 2.8/24mm in its different versions was very close to the MD-III and nFD, the older nikkors of course having less effective coatings.
If you want raw files from one or two of theses lenses, just PM me and include your e-mail address.
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blotafton
Joined: 08 Aug 2013 Posts: 1616 Location: Sweden
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Posted: Thu Oct 07, 2021 4:50 pm Post subject: Re: 24mm full frame recommendations needed |
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blotafton wrote:
I can't help much but I have tried 4 24mm's that were quite good but not good enough for high end landscape.
1. Vivitar 24mm 2.8 Cosina. Very good close focus and nice bokeh. Sharp on film but on Sony a7 the edges are not great.
2. Sigma Super Wide II 24mm 2.8 manual focus, very similar to the Vivitar.
3. Minolta MC Rokkor 24mm 2.8 SI. Good but too much CA.
4. Canon FD 24mm 2.8 breach lock mount. Could not reach infinity.
Today I opportunistically look for one of the following:
MD 24mm 2.8 49mm filter version.
Olympus 24mm 2.8 last version.
Or a Canon, Minolta or Nikon 24mm 2.8 AF lens. |
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Ernst Dinkla
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Posted: Fri Oct 08, 2021 8:47 am Post subject: |
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Ernst Dinkla wrote:
Sold the Canon FD 24mm 2.8, an Olympus OM 24mm 2.8 was decentered so sold it again. The Canon EF 24mm 2.8 is nearly identical to the nFD 24mm 2.8 in optical design (FD breechlock is different) and at 140 Euro as affordable. _________________ Met vriendelijke groet, Ernst
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DigiChromeEd
Joined: 29 Dec 2009 Posts: 3460 Location: Northern Ireland
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Posted: Fri Oct 08, 2021 8:53 am Post subject: |
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DigiChromeEd wrote:
Ernst Dinkla wrote: |
Sold the Canon FD 24mm 2.8, an Olympus OM 24mm 2.8 was decentered so sold it again. The Canon EF 24mm 2.8 is nearly identical to the nFD 24mm 2.8 in optical design (FD breechlock is different) and at 140 Euro as affordable. |
It's on my short list along with the MC version of the Olympus 24mm f2.8. My budget is about £200 and as I am using a full frame Canon EOS camera it rules out quite a number of good lenses. _________________ "I've got a Nikon camera, I like to take a photograph" - Paul Simon |
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Lightshow
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Posted: Fri Oct 08, 2021 7:33 pm Post subject: |
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Lightshow wrote:
You say you want to use it on a FF EOS camera, but are you talking DSLR FF EOS or mirrorless FF EOS? There's lots of lenses listed that will work fine on mirrorless but won't reach infinity on a DSLR...
It's like asking for engine options for a 4 wheel vehicle.
Better to provide more details than necessary, like what the actual camera model is and/or what one you're planning to get.
Shorter registration lenses:
Konica 24/2.8 my only complaint is the aperture ring detents are kind of notchy and abrupt rather than smooth.
Canon FD 24/2.8
Canon nFD 24/2
Minolta MD 24/2.8
Leica M 24/2.8 Asph, is likely way out of your price range, but it's wonderful.
Longer registration:
Yashica 24/2.8 C/Y
Contax 25/2.8 C/Y
OM MC 24/2.8 (Zuiko without the prefix letter is also multicoated)
Leica R 24/2.8 which is the same as the Minolta MD 24/2.8 but may have better QA/QC than the Minolta.
Nikon 24/2.8 pre-Ai Ai Ais _________________ A Manual Focus Junky...
One photographers junk lens is an artists favorite tool.
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DigiChromeEd
Joined: 29 Dec 2009 Posts: 3460 Location: Northern Ireland
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Posted: Fri Oct 08, 2021 8:12 pm Post subject: |
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DigiChromeEd wrote:
Lightshow wrote: |
You say you want to use it on a FF EOS camera, but are you talking DSLR FF EOS or mirrorless FF EOS? There's lots of lenses listed that will work fine on mirrorless but won't reach infinity on a DSLR...
It's like asking for engine options for a 4 wheel vehicle.
Better to provide more details than necessary, like what the actual camera model is and/or what one you're planning to get.
Shorter registration lenses:
Konica 24/2.8 my only complaint is the aperture ring detents are kind of notchy and abrupt rather than smooth.
Canon FD 24/2.8
Canon nFD 24/2
Minolta MD 24/2.8
Leica M 24/2.8 Asph, is likely way out of your price range, but it's wonderful.
Longer registration:
Yashica 24/2.8 C/Y
Contax 25/2.8 C/Y
OM MC 24/2.8 (Zuiko without the prefix letter is also multicoated)
Leica R 24/2.8 which is the same as the Minolta MD 24/2.8 but may have better QA/QC than the Minolta.
Nikon 24/2.8 pre-Ai Ai Ais |
Canon EOS 5D MKII _________________ "I've got a Nikon camera, I like to take a photograph" - Paul Simon |
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papasito
Joined: 09 Jan 2015 Posts: 1659
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Posted: Fri Oct 08, 2021 10:52 pm Post subject: |
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papasito wrote:
My two cents.
Sony 24/1,4 is manual focus too. |
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D1N0
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Posted: Fri Oct 08, 2021 10:55 pm Post subject: |
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D1N0 wrote:
papasito wrote: |
My two cents.
Sony 24/1,4 is manual focus too. |
An E-mount lens on EF-mount? _________________ pentaxian |
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visualopsins
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visualopsins wrote:
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M42 Carl Zeiss Jena Flektogon 2.4/35
Contax Carl Zeiss Vario-Sonnar T* 28-70mm F3.5-4.5
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Tamron SP 17mm f/3.5 (51B), Tamron SP 17mm f/3.5 (151B), SP 500mm f/8 (55BB), SP 70-210mm f/3.5 (19AH)
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papasito
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Posted: Sat Oct 09, 2021 2:01 am Post subject: |
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papasito wrote:
D1N0 wrote: |
papasito wrote: |
My two cents.
Sony 24/1,4 is manual focus too. |
An E-mount lens on EF-mount? |
Sorry I didn't read all the first post. |
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lumens pixel
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Posted: Sat Oct 09, 2021 5:38 pm Post subject: |
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lumens pixel wrote:
DigiChromeEd wrote: |
lumens pixel wrote: |
Old Sigma MF or AF 24mm 2,8.
You need a good copy of course. I had to get rid of one and was finally so happy I bought it in two mounts (MD and FD).
It was even more difficult to obtain a good copy of the Tamron adaptall 24 2,8. You will obtain same results as the Sigma but a stop later. So the Sigma is the best option to my eyes but a cheap Tamron is not to disregard. I finally got rid of the Tamron since it was fungused but this does not reduce the quality of the computation.
I have owned Canon FD and Minolta MD 24 2,8. Canon has sliders problems difficult to manage unless you are good at mechanics and Minolta is a step behind in quality at this focal length.
I have not tested the modern lenses discussed above which are certainly very nice. |
I recently sold my mf Sigma 24mm as the corners weren't sharp at any aperture. |
Ed, buy another copy. It is a fine Lens. _________________ Lumens Pixel
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Minolta SR mount: 16 2,8; Sigma SuperWide 24 2,8; 28 2,5; 28 2,8; 28 3,5; 35 2,8; 45 2,0; 50 1,4; 50 1,7; 50 2,0; 58 1,4; 85 2,0; 100 2,5; 100 4 Macro; 135 3,5; 135 2,8; 200 4; RF 250 5,6; 24-35 3,5; 35-70 3,5; 75-150 4; 70-210 4
Canon FD mount: Tokina RMC 17 3,5; 28 2,8; 35 2,8; 50 1,8; 50 3,5 Macro; 55 1,2; 135 3,5; 135 2,5; 200 4,0; 300 5,6; 28-55 3,5 4,5; Tokina SZ-X SD 270; 70-150 4,5; 70-210 f4; 80-200 4L; Tokina SZ-X 845
Tamron Adaptall: 28-80 3,5-4,2 (27A); 70-210 3,8-4 (46A); 60-300 (23A); 90 2,5 (52B); 35-135 3,5-4,5 (40A)
Tamron SP: 20-40 2,7-3,5 (266D) |
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cooltouch
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cooltouch wrote:
I have a couple of favorite 24s. One is a Canon FD 24mm f/2.8 SSC, but since you are shooting an EOS, FD is out unless you want to do the conversion to the lens. My other favorite is the Tamron 24mm f/2.5. Stopped down it's as sharp or sharper than any other 24 I've come across. But then, I'm no means an expert on 24s. I own only three -- the above two and a Nikkor 24mm f/2.8 AIs. The Nikon is soft in the corners, so I can't recommend it. _________________ Michael
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