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StillSanj
Joined: 21 Apr 2015 Posts: 412 Location: United States
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Posted: Fri May 22, 2015 1:30 pm Post subject: Value of super multi coated 17/4 fisheye |
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StillSanj wrote:
I have an oppurtunity to buy a 17mm f4 SMC fisheye takumar. It seems that it is a lot more rare and valuable than a non SMC version, but I'm having a hard time placing value and therefore how much I'm willing to pay as the prices seem all over the place. Can anyone help me out what I should pay to consider it a good purchase or what it's worth to sell for if I do t enjoy it? Any input would be appreciated. |
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JohnBar
Joined: 21 Jun 2012 Posts: 581 Location: Liverpool
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Posted: Fri May 22, 2015 2:17 pm Post subject: |
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JohnBar wrote:
IMO old fisheye desgns tend to suffer a lot from edge fringing
personally my favourite fisheye is the Pentax 17-28 zoom, which can be picked up quite cheap and is pretty versatile on either apsc or ff _________________ Rectilux 3FF Series single focus anamorphic attachments
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IAZA
Joined: 16 Apr 2010 Posts: 2587 Location: Indonesia
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Posted: Fri May 22, 2015 2:53 pm Post subject: |
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IAZA wrote:
I had takumar 17/4.... this lens in fact has best edges performance among fisheyes I tried.
. zenitar 16. Samyang 8/3.5. Sigma 15. Tokina 17
I got mine few years of ago for $200 _________________ nex5, Olympus EPM1, yashica half 14, Canon eos 650 want to see samples of mine? please click My lenses
and My gallery
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StillSanj
Joined: 21 Apr 2015 Posts: 412 Location: United States
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Posted: Fri May 22, 2015 4:58 pm Post subject: |
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StillSanj wrote:
IAZA wrote: |
I had takumar 17/4.... this lens in fact has best edges performance among fisheyes I tried.
. zenitar 16. Samyang 8/3.5. Sigma 15. Tokina 17
I got mine few years of ago for $200 |
That's good to know. Hoever, as I'm currently only on aps-c I think it would be best to resell it as the fish-eye effect would be gone. Was that a regular takumar fisheye or a SMC version because I think the SMC's go for quite more. But I cannot be sure. |
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tb_a
Joined: 26 Jan 2010 Posts: 3678 Location: Austria
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Posted: Fri May 22, 2015 5:13 pm Post subject: |
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tb_a wrote:
StillSanj,
I don't know whether you are looking for a deal or for a lens.
However, I think I can help you a little bit:
At least in Europe the SMC Takumar is sold rather expensive around 500 Euros nowadays. The "normal" version around 300 Euros.
It is very nice and handy and therfore not at all comparable to a huge and heavy zoom (e.g. 17-28mm). Quality is another issue, but the personal perception of quality is something totally different and there will never be any consensus on that anyway.
However, as I was too lazy to pack and store my little studio since yesterday, I took the opportunity to show you the difference of several focus lengths comparable to your crop camera (D70) to give you some ideas how to proceed, if you are looking for a lens and not for a business.
Samples are taken with my Ricoh GXR-M and just resized for publication.
1. CV 15mm/5.6:
2. Zenitar 16mm/2.8:
3. SMC Super-Takumar 17mm/4:
4. SMC Pentax 18-55mm/3.5 at 18mm:
5. Super-Takumar 20mm/4.5:
The picture from the Pentax zoom was shot at smallest aperture as I don't have any possibility the set the aperture on this lens manually. All others at F11. It makes it (at least for my taste) obvious that any fish eye is looking poor against the CV 15mm RF lens.
Have fun. _________________ Thomas Bernardy
Manual focus lenses mainly from Minolta, Pentax, Voigtlaender, Leitz, Topcon and from Russia (too many to be listed here). |
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visualopsins
Joined: 05 Mar 2009 Posts: 10958 Location: California
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Posted: Fri May 22, 2015 9:39 pm Post subject: |
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visualopsins wrote:
I had M42 S-M-C Fisheye and Zenitar 16/2.8. Reason says the Takumar should cost less than the Zenitar -- the Zenitar is faster, yes? -- anyway, mine sold for a little less. _________________ ☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮ like attracts like! ☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮
Cameras: Sony ILCE-7RM2, Spotmatics II, F, and ESII, Nikon P4
Lenses:
M42 Asahi Optical Co., Takumar 1:4 f=35mm, 1:2 f=58mm (Sonnar), 1:2.4 f=58mm (Heliar), 1:2.2 f=55mm (Gaussian), 1:2.8 f=105mm (Model I), 1:2.8/105 (Model II), 1:5.6/200, Tele-Takumar 1:5.6/200, 1:6.3/300, Macro-Takumar 1:4/50, Auto-Takumar 1:2.3 f=35, 1:1.8 f=55mm, 1:2.2 f=55mm, Super-TAKUMAR 1:3.5/28 (fat), 1:2/35 (Fat), 1:1.4/50 (8-element), Super-Multi-Coated Fisheye-TAKUMAR 1:4/17, Super-Multi-Coated TAKUMAR 1:4.5/20, 1:3.5/24, 1:3.5/28, 1:2/35, 1:3.5/35, 1:1.8/85, 1:1.9/85 1:2.8/105, 1:3.5/135, 1:2.5/135 (II), 1:4/150, 1:4/200, 1:4/300, 1:4.5/500, Super-Multi-Coated Macro-TAKUMAR 1:4/50, 1:4/100, Super-Multi-Coated Bellows-TAKUMAR 1:4/100, SMC TAKUMAR 1:1.4/50, 1:1.8/55
M42 Carl Zeiss Jena Flektogon 2.4/35
Contax Carl Zeiss Vario-Sonnar T* 28-70mm F3.5-4.5
Pentax K-mount SMC PENTAX-A ZOOM 1:3.5 35~105mm, SMC PENTAX ZOOM 1:4 45~125mm
Nikon Micro-NIKKOR-P-C Auto 1:3.5 f=55mm, NIKKOR-P Auto 105mm f/2.5 Pre-AI (Sonnar), Micro-NIKKOR 105mm 1:4 AI, NIKKOR AI-S 35-135mm f/3,5-4,5
Tamron SP 17mm f/3.5 (51B), Tamron SP 17mm f/3.5 (151B), SP 500mm f/8 (55BB), SP 70-210mm f/3.5 (19AH)
Vivitar 100mm 1:2.8 MC 1:1 Macro Telephoto (Kiron)
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tb_a
Joined: 26 Jan 2010 Posts: 3678 Location: Austria
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Posted: Fri May 22, 2015 10:03 pm Post subject: |
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tb_a wrote:
visualopsins wrote: |
I had M42 S-M-C Fisheye and Zenitar 16/2.8. Reason says the Takumar should cost less than the Zenitar -- the Zenitar is faster, yes? -- anyway, mine sold for a little less. |
Zenitars are available approximately for 200 Euros. You're right, there is not much difference and the Zenitar is faster.
However, when I compare my pictures at 100% the difference becomes obvious and the Takumar wins.
Today I won't buy either of them, when I compare the results with the Voigtlaender, which is btw. not usable for the OP on his Canon SLR. _________________ Thomas Bernardy
Manual focus lenses mainly from Minolta, Pentax, Voigtlaender, Leitz, Topcon and from Russia (too many to be listed here). |
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visualopsins
Joined: 05 Mar 2009 Posts: 10958 Location: California
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Posted: Sat May 23, 2015 7:08 pm Post subject: |
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visualopsins wrote:
tb_a wrote: |
visualopsins wrote: |
I had M42 S-M-C Fisheye and Zenitar 16/2.8. Reason says the Takumar should cost less than the Zenitar -- the Zenitar is faster, yes? -- anyway, mine sold for a little less. |
Zenitars are available approximately for 200 Euros. You're right, there is not much difference and the Zenitar is faster.
However, when I compare my pictures at 100% the difference becomes obvious and the Takumar wins.
Today I won't buy either of them, when I compare the results with the Voigtlaender, which is btw. not usable for the OP on his Canon SLR. |
I was referring to the marketplace price-setting stance rather than comparing lens quality; Tak wins quality-wise for me too. _________________ ☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮ like attracts like! ☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮
Cameras: Sony ILCE-7RM2, Spotmatics II, F, and ESII, Nikon P4
Lenses:
M42 Asahi Optical Co., Takumar 1:4 f=35mm, 1:2 f=58mm (Sonnar), 1:2.4 f=58mm (Heliar), 1:2.2 f=55mm (Gaussian), 1:2.8 f=105mm (Model I), 1:2.8/105 (Model II), 1:5.6/200, Tele-Takumar 1:5.6/200, 1:6.3/300, Macro-Takumar 1:4/50, Auto-Takumar 1:2.3 f=35, 1:1.8 f=55mm, 1:2.2 f=55mm, Super-TAKUMAR 1:3.5/28 (fat), 1:2/35 (Fat), 1:1.4/50 (8-element), Super-Multi-Coated Fisheye-TAKUMAR 1:4/17, Super-Multi-Coated TAKUMAR 1:4.5/20, 1:3.5/24, 1:3.5/28, 1:2/35, 1:3.5/35, 1:1.8/85, 1:1.9/85 1:2.8/105, 1:3.5/135, 1:2.5/135 (II), 1:4/150, 1:4/200, 1:4/300, 1:4.5/500, Super-Multi-Coated Macro-TAKUMAR 1:4/50, 1:4/100, Super-Multi-Coated Bellows-TAKUMAR 1:4/100, SMC TAKUMAR 1:1.4/50, 1:1.8/55
M42 Carl Zeiss Jena Flektogon 2.4/35
Contax Carl Zeiss Vario-Sonnar T* 28-70mm F3.5-4.5
Pentax K-mount SMC PENTAX-A ZOOM 1:3.5 35~105mm, SMC PENTAX ZOOM 1:4 45~125mm
Nikon Micro-NIKKOR-P-C Auto 1:3.5 f=55mm, NIKKOR-P Auto 105mm f/2.5 Pre-AI (Sonnar), Micro-NIKKOR 105mm 1:4 AI, NIKKOR AI-S 35-135mm f/3,5-4,5
Tamron SP 17mm f/3.5 (51B), Tamron SP 17mm f/3.5 (151B), SP 500mm f/8 (55BB), SP 70-210mm f/3.5 (19AH)
Vivitar 100mm 1:2.8 MC 1:1 Macro Telephoto (Kiron)
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aoleg
Joined: 22 Feb 2008 Posts: 1387 Location: Berlin, DE
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Posted: Mon May 25, 2015 6:54 pm Post subject: |
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aoleg wrote:
I paid around 200 EUR for a mint-looking copy with multiple fine scratches (cleaning marks) on the front lens (I knew these were there before buying). The marks have zero effect on the images even stopped down fully. Overall it's the sharpest fisheye that I own, with some CA near the edges of the full 35mm frame. _________________ List of lenses |
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lucius
Joined: 11 Apr 2014 Posts: 38
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Posted: Wed May 27, 2015 8:49 pm Post subject: Re: Value of super multi coated 17/4 fisheye |
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lucius wrote:
I paid $245 for mine and I think it was a steal. If you find it around $300 is still a good price. It is a nice lens.
StillSanj wrote: |
I have an oppurtunity to buy a 17mm f4 SMC fisheye takumar. It seems that it is a lot more rare and valuable than a non SMC version, but I'm having a hard time placing value and therefore how much I'm willing to pay as the prices seem all over the place. Can anyone help me out what I should pay to consider it a good purchase or what it's worth to sell for if I do t enjoy it? Any input would be appreciated. |
_________________ My Takumar Collection http://forum.mflenses.com/takumar-collection-t69606.html
S-M-C FISH-EYE-TAKUMAR 17mm F4, S-M-C TAKUMAR 20mm F4.5 , S-M-C TAKUMAR 24mm F3.5 , Super TAKUMAR 28mm F3.5 , S-M-C TAKUMAR 28mm F3.5 , TAKUMAR 35mm F4 , Auto TAKUMAR 35mm F3.5 , Auto TAKUMAR 35mm F2.3 , Super TAKUMAR 35mm F2 , S-M-C TAKUMAR 35mm F2 , S-M-C TAKUMAR 35mm F3.5
Super TAKUMAR 50mm F1.4 ( 8 element) , S-M-C TAKUMAR 50mm F1.4 , Macro TAKUMAR 50mm F4 , Super-Multi-Coated Macro TAKUMAR 50mm F4 , Auto-TAKUMAR 55mm F1.8 ( Zebra ) , Auto-TAKUMAR 55mm F1.8 (Super,Black) , Auto-TAKUMAR 55mm F2 , Auto-TAKUMAR 55mm F2.2 (silver ring) , Auto-TAKUMAR 55mm F2.2 (black ring) , Super TAKUMAR 55mm F1.8 , S-M-C TAKUMAR 55mm F1.8 , Super TAKUMAR 55mm F2 , TAKUMAR 58mm F2 , TAKUMAR 58mm F2.4
Auto-TaKUMAR 85mm F1.8 , S-M-C TAKUMAR 85mm F1.8 , S-M-C TAKUMAR 85mm F1.9
S-M-C TAKUMAR 100mm F4 , S-M-C Bellows-TAKUMAR 100mm F4 , TAKUMAR 105mm F2.8 (preset silver-black) , TAKUMAR 105mm F2.8 (preset all black) , ,Auto-TAKUMAR 105mm F3.5 , S-M-C TAKUMAR 105mm F2.8 , S-M-C TAKUMAR 120mm F2.8
TAKUMAR 135mm F3.5 (preset silver-black) , TAKUMAR 135mm F3.5 (preset all black) , Auto-TAKUMAR 135mm F3.5 , S-M-C TAKUMAR 135mm F2.5 , S-M-C TAKUMAR 135mm F3.5 , S-M-C TAKUMAR 150mm F4 , TAKUMAR 200mm F3.5 , Tele-TAKUMAR 200mm F5.6 , S-M-C TAKUMAR 200mm F4
S-M-C TAKUMAR-ZOOM 85-210mm F4.5 |
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