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Angenieux 70-210mm f/3.5
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 02, 2021 1:45 pm    Post subject: Angenieux 70-210mm f/3.5 Reply with quote
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 02, 2021 5:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Nice images! How does the lens compare to, let's say, an equivalent Nikkor lens?


PostPosted: Sun Oct 03, 2021 1:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
caspert79 wrote:
Nice images! How does the lens compare to, let's say, an equivalent Nikkor lens?


Thanks a lot, This is a high-quality lens produced by France in the 1960s and 1980s. It is very famous in the era of film

photography.


PostPosted: Mon Oct 04, 2021 11:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
laenee wrote:
caspert79 wrote:
Nice images! How does the lens compare to, let's say, an equivalent Nikkor lens?


Thanks a lot, This is a high-quality lens produced by France in the 1960s and 1980s. It is very famous in the era of film

photography.


When displayed ~1985 it was AT LEAST as good as any Canon/Nikon... 70 to 200 lens

The problem with those Angenieux lens (35/70 & 70/210) were
1- Very high price (over nikon price)
2- Lens body in makrolon = not professional feeling


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PostPosted: Sat Oct 30, 2021 12:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 02, 2021 3:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
PBFACTS wrote:



2- Lens body in makrolon = not professional feeling


Interesting. I was unaware of that and I'm surprised. Good to know.

I own a copy of the Angenieux LB-1 which is 35-140mm at f2.2, so a somewhat larger lens. It was manufactured in the late 1960's and has a metal body.


PostPosted: Tue Nov 02, 2021 7:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Very nice pics!


PostPosted: Wed Nov 03, 2021 9:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
PBFACTS wrote:

When displayed ~1985 it was AT LEAST as good as any Canon/Nikon... 70 to 200 lens

The problem with those Angenieux lenses (35/70 & 70/210) was
1- Very high price (over Nikon price)
2- Lens body in Makrolon = not professional feeling



1. At the beginning of the 1980s, the Angenieux 70-210 f/3.5 was sold at 6300 F, the Nikkor 80-200 mm f/4 at 7400 F, the Angenieux 35-70 mm f/2.5-3.3 at 5400 F vs. the Canon FD 35-70 mm f/2.8-3.5 at 6850 F (French prices from Chasseur d'images Spécial Objectifs"). Thus, the two Angenieux lenses weren't overpriced, which is very different from today's prices, fuelled by collectors...

2. Here you have a point, but the 70-210 mm existed in two subsequent versions, the first one in Makrolon, the second one in metal finish. BTW, the Canon FD 80-200 f/4 L did not have a better finish which didn't hamper its sales.


PostPosted: Wed Nov 03, 2021 5:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Alsatian2017 wrote:
PBFACTS wrote:

When displayed ~1985 it was AT LEAST as good as any Canon/Nikon... 70 to 200 lens

The problem with those Angenieux lenses (35/70 & 70/210) was
1- Very high price (over Nikon price)
2- Lens body in Makrolon = not professional feeling



1. At the beginning of the 1980s, the Angenieux 70-210 f/3.5 was sold at 6300 F, the Nikkor 80-200 mm f/4 at 7400 F, the Angenieux 35-70 mm f/2.5-3.3 at 5400 F vs. the Canon FD 35-70 mm f/2.8-3.5 at 6850 F (French prices from Chasseur d'images Spécial Objectifs").


OOPS!! That would mean >CHF 2000.-- for the Angenieux 70-210mm!! Certainly a crazy price for a 70-210mm back then. I remember the Minolta AF 4/70-210mm "beercan" being CHF 398.-- back in 1988 ... and that was the official price, not the street price! Are you sure the Nikkor and the Canon 35-70 were that expensive back then ??? Sounds really strange to me ... I know that many Nikkor MF lenses went through the roof around 1998, but that was 15 years later. I remember, however, the Angenieux zoom to be around CHF 2000.-- back then, and therefore I did consider it to be "way overpriced".

Alsatian2017 wrote:
Thus, the two Angenieux lenses weren't overpriced,

I dare to disagree Wink - but, to be honest, I never had the opportunity to test them. If they are really better than say the nFD 80-200L, I might revise my opinion!

S


PostPosted: Thu Nov 04, 2021 8:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
stevemark wrote:
Alsatian2017 wrote:
PBFACTS wrote:

When displayed ~1985 it was AT LEAST as good as any Canon/Nikon... 70 to 200 lens

The problem with those Angenieux lenses (35/70 & 70/210) was
1- Very high price (over Nikon price)
2- Lens body in Makrolon = not professional feeling



1. At the beginning of the 1980s, the Angenieux 70-210 f/3.5 was sold at 6300 F, the Nikkor 80-200 mm f/4 at 7400 F, the Angenieux 35-70 mm f/2.5-3.3 at 5400 F vs. the Canon FD 35-70 mm f/2.8-3.5 at 6850 F (French prices from Chasseur d'images Spécial Objectifs").


OOPS!! That would mean >CHF 2000.-- for the Angenieux 70-210mm!! Certainly a crazy price for a 70-210mm back then. I remember the Minolta AF 4/70-210mm "beercan" being CHF 398.-- back in 1988 ... and that was the official price, not the street price! Are you sure the Nikkor and the Canon 35-70 were that expensive back then ??? Sounds really strange to me ... I know that many Nikkor MF lenses went through the roof around 1998, but that was 15 years later. I remember, however, the Angenieux zoom to be around CHF 2000.-- back then, and therefore I did consider it to be "way overpriced".

Alsatian2017 wrote:
Thus, the two Angenieux lenses weren't overpriced,

I dare to disagree Wink - but, to be honest, I never had the opportunity to test them. If they are really better than say the nFD 80-200L, I might revise my opinion!

S


Hello Steve,

did you get the conversion from French Francs to Swiss Francs right ? The prices I mentioned were just copied from my "Spécial objectifs ", published in 1987 (I just had to search a while to find the date ..) , so I guess the information is right. I didn't include the price of the Nikkor 35 -70 mm f/3. 5, marked as "discontinued" at that time and thus only available second hand. BTW, the journalists of "Chasseur d'images" didn't find the 70-210 mm f/3.5 as good as the best of the Japanese lenses of that time (which were the Canon FD 80-200 f/4 L and the Nikkor AI-S 80-200 f/2.8 ...). They gave the Angénieux 3 stars in performance and 3 stars in price/performance ratio (Canon FD L 4 stars/4 Stars, Nikkor 4 Stars in performance and a non-disclosed rating for the price/performance since the price was 30.000 French Francs at the time...). The 35-70 mm f/2.5-3.3 did do as well as the Canon 35-70 mm f/2.8-3.5 but not better; the advantage was rather in practical terms (slightly faster optics and lower MFD), but nothing which would justify its prices today. One interesting fact : they tested several copies of the Angénieux DEM 180 mm f/2.3 Apo and found it less good than the best of the Japanese and German lenses...

Greetings from Alsace

Volker


PostPosted: Thu Nov 04, 2021 8:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Alsatian2017 wrote:

Hello Steve,

did you get the conversion from French Francs to Swiss Francs right ?

I hope so - I asumed 1983 and found about 1 CHF = 3.7 FFR! For 1987 it would be about 1 CHF = 4 FFR. [/quote]

Alsatian2017 wrote:

The prices I mentioned were just copied from my "Spécial objectifs ", published in 1987 (I just had to search a while to find the date ..) , so I guess the information is right. I didn't include the price of the Nikkor 35 -70 mm f/3. 5, marked as "discontinued" at that time and thus only available second hand.

I certainly remember the official Swiss Minolta AF prices from 1987/88, but don't really remember the exact Nikon / Canon prices. Canon FD were rather modest (comparable to Minolta AF) and Nikon slightly higher, but not that much.

Alsatian2017 wrote:
BTW, the journalists of "Chasseur d'images" didn't find the 70-210 mm f/3.5 as good as the best of the Japanese lenses of that time (which were the Canon FD 80-200 f/4 L and the Nikkor AI-S 80-200 f/2.8 ...). They gave the Angénieux 3 stars in performance and 3 stars in price/performance ratio (Canon FD L 4 stars/4 Stars, Nikkor 4 Stars in performance and a non-disclosed rating for the price/performance since the price was 30.000 French Francs at the time...). The 35-70 mm f/2.5-3.3 did do as well as the Canon 35-70 mm f/2.8-3.5 but not better; the advantage was rather in practical terms (slightly faster optics and lower MFD), but nothing which would justify its prices today.

Thanks for this additional information!

Alsatian2017 wrote:
One interesting fact : they tested several copies of the Angénieux DEM 180 mm f/2.3 Apo and found it less good than the best of the Japanese and German lenses...

Greetings from Alsace

Volker

Interesting - and about what I was remembering from similar tests in German and Swiss photo magazines. "Best of German" was proably the Leica APO Telyt 3.4/180?? And "best of Japan" the ED Nikkor 2.8/180mm??

Gr Wink S


PostPosted: Fri Nov 05, 2021 9:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
stevemark wrote:


I certainly remember the official Swiss Minolta AF prices from 1987/88, but don't really remember the exact Nikon / Canon prices. Canon FD were rather modest (comparable to Minolta AF) and Nikon slightly higher, but not that much.


The Canon FD 35-70 mm was outrageously expensive back then, much more than the FD 80-200 L...


stevemark wrote:

Interesting - and about what I was remembering from similar tests in German and Swiss photo magazines. "Best of German" was proably the Leica APO Telyt 3.4/180?? And "best of Japan" the ED Nikkor 2.8/180mm??



The best 180/200 mm lenses according to the testers of Chasseur d'images were the Nikkor 180 mm f/2.8 AI and AF versions (the latter being a little bit better than the former), the Leica APO Telyt-R 180mm f/3.4 and the Elmarit-R 180mm f/2.8 (second model), followed by the Carl Zeiss Sonnar 180mm f/2.8, Tamron SP 180 mm f/2.5 LD Pentax A * 200 mm f/2.8 ED, Nikkor 200 mm f/4 and Canon nFD 200 mm f/4.
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