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Oldhand
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 Posted: Sat Feb 07, 2015 7:25 am Post subject: Nikon 2.8/100 Series E - made by....? |
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Oldhand wrote:
Following on from 480sparky's (http://forum.mflenses.com/first-test-shots-with-the-kiron-70-150-f-4-t69976.html) thread on the Kiron 70-150 which also appeared as a Nikon, I went on to read elsewhere that many series E lenses were made by Kiron for Nikon.
I cannot find any reference to the makers of the 2.8/100 series E Nikon.
Was this made by Kiron, Nikon or some other third party.
I realise that it makes no difference to how it performs - which is very well BTW - but as a part of photographic lens history it is interesting to find out parentage.
Here are some images courtesy of:
http://www.mir.com.my/rb/photography/hardwares/classics/emfgfg20/eserieslenses/htmls/100135mm.htm
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Gardener
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| Posted: Sat Feb 07, 2015 8:40 am Post subject: Re: Nikon 2.8/100 Series E - made by....? |
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Gardener wrote:
| Oldhand wrote: |
| Following on <the> thread on the Kiron 70-150 which also appeared as a Nikon... |
That cannot possibly be true. Kiron is 70-150 f/4, 13 element in 9 groups, MFD 0.8m, 1:4 magnification, Nikon is 75-150 f/3.5, 12 elements in 9 groups with a rather different optical scheme, MFD 1m and 1:5 magnification. It is not the same lens. |
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Oldhand
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| Posted: Sat Feb 07, 2015 8:48 am Post subject: Re: Nikon 2.8/100 Series E - made by....? |
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Oldhand wrote:
| Gardener wrote: |
| Oldhand wrote: |
| Following on <the> thread on the Kiron 70-150 which also appeared as a Nikon... |
That cannot possibly be true. Kiron is 70-150 f/4, 13 element in 9 groups, MFD 0.8m, 1:4 magnification, Nikon is 75-150 f/3.5, 12 elements in 9 groups with a rather different optical scheme, MFD 1m and 1:5 magnification. It is not the same lens. |
Yes, that did occur to me but I found that in an online reference:
http://www.bythom.com/75150lens.htm
Perhaps the whole notion of E series lenses being made by someone else was started by the lack of a Nikkor branding on the lens itself.
Of course this might only be internet scuttlebut, but it would be good to get a definite answer from someone in the know.
Thanks
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iangreenhalgh1
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| Posted: Sat Feb 07, 2015 12:10 pm Post subject: |
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iangreenhalgh1 wrote:
Honestly, what does it matter who owned the precise factory they came out of?
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Oldhand
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| Posted: Sat Feb 07, 2015 12:38 pm Post subject: |
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Oldhand wrote:
| iangreenhalgh1 wrote: |
| Honestly, what does it matter who owned the precise factory they came out of? |
In the scheme of things, not one bit.
However it is as interesting as who made that Soligor or who made that Vivitar.
These curiosities are oft explored on this forum - and I am curious
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Ray Parkhurst
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| Posted: Sat Feb 07, 2015 2:17 pm Post subject: Re: Nikon 2.8/100 Series E - made by....? |
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Ray Parkhurst wrote:
That web page did not proclaim Kiron, but a Kiron-obsessed responder made the claim in a comment. This is how these kind of rumors propagate. Gotta be careful not to believe everything you read on the web.
BTW, I've owned all the E-Series lenses over time, but the only one I have kept is the 100/2.8. Great lens. Very different from the 100/2.5, it has a sense of easy functionality that can't be beat. |
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Pancolart wrote:
Russians?
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Gardener
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| Posted: Sat Feb 07, 2015 2:52 pm Post subject: Re: Nikon 2.8/100 Series E - made by....? |
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Gardener wrote:
| Oldhand wrote: |
Perhaps the whole notion of E series lenses being made by someone else was started by the lack of a Nikkor branding on the lens itself.
Of course this might only be internet scuttlebut, but it would be good to get a definite answer from someone in the know.
Thanks
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My understanding is the word Nikkor was omitted because of distinctly cheaper design - if you've ever been inside one of those lenses and seen those godawful cheapo helicoids you know what I mean. Basically, they did not want to dilute the brand. |
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iangreenhalgh1
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iangreenhalgh1 wrote:
| Oldhand wrote: |
| iangreenhalgh1 wrote: |
| Honestly, what does it matter who owned the precise factory they came out of? |
In the scheme of things, not one bit.
However it is as interesting as who made that Soligor or who made that Vivitar.
These curiosities are oft explored on this forum - and I am curious
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Curiosity is cool, I just wondered if there was some specific reason for needing to know the maker. 
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Gardener
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Gardener wrote:
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| I just wondered if there was some specific reason for needing to know the maker. |
Resale value? |
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Pancolart wrote:
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| Russians? |
Sorry my mistake, Kiev Arsenal (Kaleinar) is Ukraine.
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enzodm
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enzodm wrote:
Regarding E Series, at least the 50/1.8 was Nikon (and then became the normal one, according to Marco Cavina: http://www.marcocavina.com/articoli_fotografici/Nikkor_lenses_by_Sei_Matsui/00_pag.htm ).
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Fifties: Voigtländer Color Ultron 50/1.8, Pentacon 50/1.8, Zenitar 50/1.9, Leica Summicron 50/2, CZJ Pancolar 50/2, CZJ Tessar 50/2.8, Industar 50/3.5 , Rikenon 55/1.4, Petri 55/1.8, Helios 58/2
In the middle: Cyclop 85/1.5, Nikon 100/2.8
135s: Tamron 135/2.5, CZJ Sonnar 135/3.5, Jupiter 135/3.5, CZJ Triotar 135/4, Tamron Twin Tele 135-225
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Industar 69 28/2.8, Fujian 35/1.7, Rokkor 50/1.4, Jupiter 50/2, Cosmicar 50/2.8, Industar-22 50/3.5, Leitz Elmar 90/4, Canon Serenar 100/4
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Russ
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| Posted: Sat Feb 14, 2015 6:57 am Post subject: Re: Nikon 2.8/100 Series E - made by....? |
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Russ wrote:
| Gardener wrote: |
| Oldhand wrote: |
| Following on <the> thread on the Kiron 70-150 which also appeared as a Nikon... |
That cannot possibly be true. Kiron is 70-150 f/4, 13 element in 9 groups, MFD 0.8m, 1:4 magnification, Nikon is 75-150 f/3.5, 12 elements in 9 groups with a rather different optical scheme, MFD 1m and 1:5 magnification. It is not the same lens. |
Yes, the Nikon 75-150 and Kiron 70-150 lenses are different designs. However, Kiron did make the Nikon version for them, per, their specs. Both, deliver superb results.
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