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guardian
Joined: 18 Mar 2009 Posts: 1746
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Posted: Mon Sep 01, 2014 9:40 pm Post subject: Cannot identify problem within lens |
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guardian wrote:
Seller is promising no surface damage to either front or rear element of this lens. He is describing the radial line you see as a "scratch" or "crack" on one of the elements INSIDE the lens. I've never seen damage like this INSIDE a lens. Does anyone have any thoughts as to what that radial line might be, if we take the seller at his word that the damage is inside and not on the front or rear surfaces? I'm trying to decide whether this lens is repairable or not. It that's a scratch or crack, the lens is not repairable.
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Pancolart
Joined: 04 Feb 2008 Posts: 3692 Location: Slovenia, EU
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Posted: Mon Sep 01, 2014 10:06 pm Post subject: |
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Pancolart wrote:
Bottom bluish dark part of the glass could be separation. Separation repair only makes sense with very expensive lenses. _________________ ---------------------------------
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mo
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Posted: Mon Sep 01, 2014 10:51 pm Post subject: |
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mo wrote:
I have seen single strands of fungus look like that....but with out the lens in hand, hard to say what it is. _________________ Moira, Moderator
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Lightshow
Joined: 04 Nov 2011 Posts: 3666 Location: Calgary
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Posted: Tue Sep 02, 2014 12:26 am Post subject: |
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Lightshow wrote:
I suppose it could be a scratch or cleaning mark, it could be a coating issue, hard to say with it not in front of me, different angles help to sort it out.
The bottom isn't seperation but the inside of the lens. _________________ A Manual Focus Junky...
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Gerald
Joined: 25 Mar 2014 Posts: 1196 Location: Brazil
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Posted: Tue Sep 02, 2014 12:33 am Post subject: |
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Gerald wrote:
A crack has depth; a scratch is superficial. _________________ If raindrops were perfect lenses, the rainbow did not exist. |
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guardian
Joined: 18 Mar 2009 Posts: 1746
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Posted: Tue Sep 02, 2014 1:01 am Post subject: |
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guardian wrote:
The photo in the OP shows the lens from the rear. Here is a photo of the same flaw, as viewed from the front:
Remember, the promise is that the problem is within the lens, not on either the front or rear surfaces. |
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calvin83
Joined: 12 Apr 2009 Posts: 7555 Location: Hong Kong
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Posted: Tue Sep 02, 2014 1:17 am Post subject: |
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calvin83 wrote:
Damage inside the lens is not very uncommon. For example, my Vivitar CF 2/28 have a small nick in one of the element inside although it has never been opened. _________________ https://lensfever.com/
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guardian
Joined: 18 Mar 2009 Posts: 1746
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Posted: Tue Sep 02, 2014 1:28 am Post subject: |
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guardian wrote:
Thanks, calvin83, and everyone for your opinions. I certainly agree if the lens has been opened all bets are off and anything is possible.
But I've not seen interior scratching on any lens which never was opened. That's not to say such a thing is impossible, but I have trouble conjuring how it would occur.
I have seen, I guess we all have seen, lubricant smeared onto interior elements of a lens. And I can envision how that happens, especially over a long period of time. I suppose an interior element could be cracked if the lens is dropped. But how an interior surface could be scratched, without opening the lens, is beyond me. |
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luisalegria
Joined: 07 Mar 2008 Posts: 6602 Location: San Francisco, USA
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Posted: Tue Sep 02, 2014 2:04 am Post subject: |
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luisalegria wrote:
Most likely has been opened and inadvertently scratched.
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Lightshow
Joined: 04 Nov 2011 Posts: 3666 Location: Calgary
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Posted: Tue Sep 02, 2014 4:23 am Post subject: |
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Lightshow wrote:
What lens is this from? if it's a common lens, I'd look elsewhere. _________________ A Manual Focus Junky...
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sceptic
Joined: 01 Jun 2013 Posts: 255
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Posted: Tue Sep 02, 2014 5:41 am Post subject: |
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sceptic wrote:
That's a Konica lens, looks like a 50/1.7 or perhaps a 100/2.8? Of all the Konica lenses I've taken apart (roughly 8 to 10 different ones) the only ones with cemented elements were 135 mm lenses. Could it be a fibre of some sort? _________________ Sony A7R and wildly varying flora of lenses |
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Gamera
Joined: 16 Feb 2014 Posts: 86 Location: Scandinavia
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Posted: Tue Sep 02, 2014 11:04 am Post subject: |
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Gamera wrote:
sceptic wrote: |
... Could it be a fibre of some sort? |
This was my first thought. I think I can see a mirror image of the "fibre" both from the front and back element surface.
I've also encountered a fractured element inside an objective. That one was clearly dropped though. These special types of glass show quite curious fracture lines and it can not be ruled out.
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guardian
Joined: 18 Mar 2009 Posts: 1746
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Posted: Tue Sep 02, 2014 11:24 am Post subject: |
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guardian wrote:
Lightshow wrote: |
What lens is this from? if it's a common lens, I'd look elsewhere. |
It's a Konica 57mm f1.4, certainly a much sought-after lens. Here is the auction:
Click here to see on Ebay
Out of fear, I did not bid. But you can see a couple of very experienced lens buyers did bid.
I really am attracted to the possibility the flaw could be a piece of fibre of some sort. This if we take the seller at his word that the anomaly is not on either the front or rear surfaces.
Still, even though it sold for a low price, the lens was perhaps not sufficiently inexpensive to allow for the (I think very real) risk that so obvious a flaw might be uncorrectable. |
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