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Hari
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 Posted: Tue Jul 01, 2014 9:01 pm Post subject: 80-200, but which one? |
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Hari wrote:
Hi all!
I'm looking for a 70/80-200 but there are so many and they all seem good
My main contenders so far are:
C/Y Zeiss 80-200
Canon FD 80-200
Rolleinar QBM 80-200
Are there any other top class 70/80-200 I should look at?
Do any of them get faster than f4?
Do any of them have a macro setting by some chance? This is a nice to have, I will get the C/Y 35-70 as a walkaround + macro lens anyway
Which is the smallest and lightest while still being a good performer? In this case the f4 aperture won't bother me
I will use it on the Leica M240 so mount compatibility isn't on top of my concern but compatibility with my 5D MK2 would be a bonus
Thank you for your suggestions!
Hari
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iangreenhalgh1
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iangreenhalgh1 wrote:
The Rolleinar is also seen as a Tokina, a Mamiya and a Voigtlander, they are all the same lens, made by Tokina.
The Konica Zoom-Hexanon 4/80-200 is also worthy of consideration, it's superb.
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Lloydy
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Lloydy wrote:
here's a wild card- the Yashica ML 80-200 / 4
I think it's a superb lens, the sharpness and colours are first rate, and it's a nice compact lens. It's downfall is the lack of macro and the poor 1.9 meter close focus. In a post I started about this lens there was speculation that it was a Tokina and possibly closely related to the Rolleinar - I have tried to find out more, but information is scarce.
I've got 13 zooms in the 70-230 range  , including Series 1 Vivitar's, Soligor CD, and the superb Tokina ATX 80-200 / 2.8. This Yashica is now my 'go to lens' for this range. If I want macro - or more likely close focus in this range of zooms - I take a proper macro lens instead.
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memetph
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memetph wrote:
Well , that is interesting . I am still looking for zoom in this range. I was disappointed by a Rokkor 75/200 and a Tokina SD.
Would you mind to give your list and choose the 3 best ?
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iangreenhalgh1
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| Posted: Tue Jul 01, 2014 11:38 pm Post subject: |
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iangreenhalgh1 wrote:
| Lloydy wrote: |
here's a wild card- the Yashica ML 80-200 / 4
I think it's a superb lens, the sharpness and colours are first rate, and it's a nice compact lens. It's downfall is the lack of macro and the poor 1.9 meter close focus. In a post I started about this lens there was speculation that it was a Tokina and possibly closely related to the Rolleinar - I have tried to find out more, but information is scarce.
I've got 13 zooms in the 70-230 range , including Series 1 Vivitar's, Soligor CD, and the superb Tokina ATX 80-200 / 2.8. This Yashica is now my 'go to lens' for this range. If I want macro - or more likely close focus in this range of zooms - I take a proper macro lens instead. |
I suspect the Yashica is made by Tokina and is the same lens as the Tokina/Mamiya/Rollei/Voigtlander.
I sold my copy, it was labelled Mamiya, so sadly we can't put them side-by-side to compare.
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monkjason
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monkjason wrote:
If you are an Arm-Strong-Enough man, I suggest the Konica 80-200/3.5. really good one except the weight. 
please refer to this: https://sites.google.com/site/chansiu/konica-zoom-hexanon-ar-80-200mm-f3-5
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monkjason
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monkjason wrote:
| iangreenhalgh1 wrote: |
The Rolleinar is also seen as a Tokina, a Mamiya and a Voigtlander, they are all the same lens, made by Tokina.
The Konica Zoom-Hexanon 4/80-200 is also worthy of consideration, it's superb. |
there are two versions of the 80-200/4 on Konica, one is UC-Hexanon 80-200/4, the other is normal 80-200/4, I prefer the former one bcoz the all-distance macro function (0.7 metre maybe?) and the sharpness, but on the 200mm side this lens shows some dispersion and green-edges on the digital cameras. please mention. also I could provide the samples from one of my friend who collected many Konica cameras and lenses: https://sites.google.com/site/chansiu/konica-uc-zoom-hexanon-ar-80-200mm-f4
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luisalegria
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luisalegria wrote:
Tamron 103a
cheap and very easy to find.
If it disappoints, and it probably wont, its little loss.
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eeec
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eeec wrote:
The Canon FDn 80-200 f/4 L - you won't find a better 80-200 zoom. It touts itself as a macro lens, but in fairness its minimum focus distance is 95cm with a maximum magnification of 0.32x which isn't true macro (but is pretty good for an all-around long zoom lens). |
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Tedat
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| Posted: Wed Jul 02, 2014 7:11 am Post subject: Re: 80-200, but which one? |
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Tedat wrote:
| Hari wrote: |
Do any of them get faster than f4? |
Nikkor 2.8/80-200 AI-s, Tamron SP 2.8/80-200 LD (30A) or Tokina AT-X SD 2.8/80-200 come to my mind... but they are huge and heavy. If you don't need this speed, the Canon 4/80-200 L (this won't work on your 5DII without changing the mount.. which can be done) or Contax Vario-Sonnar 4/80-200 may be the better choice. Forget the Rolleinar/Tokina... same with Konica (I had and replaced them with the Vario-Sonnar) imho those are good, but not the same league.
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barryreid
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barryreid wrote:
I like the C/Y Zeiss 80-200 very much. Mine clearly bested my copy of the Tamron SP 70-210/3.5 #19AH when I shot them against each other.
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Boris_Akunin
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Boris_Akunin wrote:
The Minolta MD 70-210/4 is another option to consider, artaphot.ch has a few good comparisons:
@200mm:
http://www.artaphot.ch/sony-nex/altglas/328-nex-5n-und-200mm-teleobjektive
http://www.artaphot.ch/sony-nex/altglas/338-nex-5n-und-minolta-200mm-teleobjektive
@135mm:
http://www.artaphot.ch/sony-nex/altglas/327-nex-5n-und-135mm-teleobjektive
@100mm:
http://www.artaphot.ch/sony-nex/altglas/326-nex-5n-und-100mm-objektive
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