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Canon FL AND FD lenses with cheap m43 adapters
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 21, 2014 5:43 pm    Post subject: Canon FL AND FD lenses with cheap m43 adapters Reply with quote
Seems to be very hard or impossible to find well working cheap m43 adapters for FL or older FD lenses. The on-off ring may be impossible to use, too stiff, don´t move. Or you can´t use some of the smallest (8, 16, 32) apertures at all.

Tokina macro with fd-bajo works well, but I think it´s the newer fd-bajonet, not the older one.

Is there some working cheap adapters for older fd or fl-lenses or is it possible to adapt those lenses on some other way?


PostPosted: Mon Apr 21, 2014 6:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Pixco FD-m43 that I have is fairly good. The ring is not too tight and not too loose. I have a suspicion though that luck is more important than the brand with cheap Chinese adapters.


PostPosted: Mon Apr 21, 2014 6:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Blame Canon for designing the worst, most annoying mount ever devised by man.

It's one reason I won't use FD lenses anymore and sold em all.

I had three NEX-FD adapters, whether they worked with a particular lens or not was total pot luck, and I was trying Tokinas and other third party brands as well as Canon with them.


PostPosted: Mon Apr 21, 2014 11:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
iangreenhalgh1 wrote:
Blame Canon for designing the worst, most annoying mount ever devised by man.


No Ian . . . the worst was the Petri bayonet with the locking ring on the body. As I've said before, there's absolutely nothing wrong with the Canon breech lock system. A wonderful invention, loved by all devout Canoneers and anyone else who worries about bayonet tabs wearing and letting the lens get loose on the camera Very Happy

Donald - I use an old Canon-to-Leica screw adapter + Leica to M4/3. No problem with the old FD rotating collar lenses but you have to 'disable' the diaphragm on the 'New FD' types. I think, but I'm not certain, that there are inexpensive Chinese copies of the Canon adapter.


PostPosted: Mon Apr 21, 2014 11:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
The Petri mount is much, much nicer to use, I've never spent a few minutes fiddling with a Petri lens trying to get the damn thing to mount. FD on the other hand....

Oh, BTW, how many lenses have you seen with worn-out tabs? I've yet to see one.


PostPosted: Mon Apr 21, 2014 11:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Actually I seen an EF mount on a 300/2.8 that looked very worn.

donald dump wrote:
Seems to be very hard or impossible to find well working cheap m43 adapters for FL or older FD lenses. The on-off ring may be impossible to use, too stiff, don´t move. Or you can´t use some of the smallest (8, 16, 32) apertures at all.

Tokina macro with fd-bajo works well, but I think it´s the newer fd-bajonet, not the older one.

Is there some working cheap adapters for older fd or fl-lenses or is it possible to adapt those lenses on some other way?

First of all FL lenses don't need the lock ring to activate the aperture, it's always active, even off the camera.
FD and FD SSC lenses have a secret trick to get them to work like FL lenses, you push the aperture lever all the way to the end of its slot, you'll feel it click into position and stay there, the aperture will be available when you mount it and turn the breech lock ring on the lens(no need to use the ring on the adapter, sadly the FDn lenses don't have this feature.

I do agree that the FDn is the most complicated mount made, I still haven't heard of a good reason why.

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 21, 2014 11:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
I took a bunch of FD lenses out yesterday, and the breechlock - ring on the lens - lenses drove me mad. Which is doubly annoying as the Vivitar S1 70-210 and a very nice Ensinor 24 / 2.8 are among my favorite lenses. The Canon 50 and 135 I had with me are both 'turn the lens' bayonet and absolutely fine.
My NEX adapter is a Fotodiox one, and the lenses fit nicely with no movement, and they reach infinity. but the adapter had the crappiest tripod mount I've ever seen - it's held on with two tiny screws that kept coming loose and eventually the thread stripped on one screw, so I took the damn thing off before it fell off, I also had to paint some of the inside of the adapter with matt black to cover shiny metal. Other than that. it's a good adapter! Laughing


PostPosted: Mon Apr 21, 2014 11:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
iangreenhalgh1 wrote:
Blame Canon for designing the worst, most annoying mount ever devised by man.

It's one reason I won't use FD lenses anymore and sold em all.

I had three NEX-FD adapters, whether they worked with a particular lens or not was total pot luck, and I was trying Tokinas and other third party brands as well as Canon with them.


+10 I never had good adapter


PostPosted: Tue Apr 22, 2014 6:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
for the NEX/A7 I only have one FD adapter and this one works really good (except the buildin tripod mount of course which I have removed and replaced with a Novoflex ASTAT).

Click here to see on Ebay.de


It's the same I have.. only difference is the color:



PostPosted: Tue Apr 22, 2014 7:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
My cheap FD-Fuji X adapter works just fine. Actually, the breech lock function of the lens ensures a good fit to the adapter, no wobble at all. Also, I have set the lens (Vivitar 90/2.5 macro) to stop down without having to use the open/close ring on the adapter (by setting one of the rear tabs in its counter clockwise position, for lack of a better explanation), so it behaves like any other adapted lens in that respect.


PostPosted: Tue Apr 22, 2014 7:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
I agree about the FD mount - pretty annoying but practice helps.
On the subject of annoying mounts, how many times have you missed a shot because you were half way through screwing in an M42 lens?


PostPosted: Tue Apr 22, 2014 3:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
iangreenhalgh1 wrote:
The Petri mount is much, much nicer to use, I've never spent a few minutes fiddling with a Petri lens trying to get the damn thing to mount. FD on the other hand....

Oh, BTW, how many lenses have you seen with worn-out tabs? I've yet to see one.


The Petri is 'worse' than the Canon because the inside diameter of the collar isn't quite wide enough to let you use some M42 lenses with Mr Petri's nice adapter which was supplied with his big chunky (and really quite nice) SLRs. Otherwise it had all the engineering attributes of Mr Canon's Mounting Masterpiece.

How many lenses have I seen with worn out tabs? Ah, forgive me, I was having a little joke at the expense of the old-time photo-hypochondriacs who used to stress about such things.


PostPosted: Thu May 01, 2014 7:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Finally I found good fd to m43 adapter, which is cheap, smooth to use, well finished and feels easier to adapt to that f...ng FD-mount.

Because it seems that some others people have same problems with those fine old FD-lenses, try Fotasy adapter from Rainbowimaging.


PostPosted: Fri May 02, 2014 4:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
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PostPosted: Fri May 02, 2014 7:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
All digital guys should stop buying breech mount FD lenses and the prices will drop and the film guys can then get them cheap Wink
From an engineering point of view the breech lock mount is a very good idea, as like a screw lens, the lens is held in tightly and that means in manufacturing the tolerances can be more as the breech mount would take up the slack...I have some bayonet lenses when mounted still have a bit of play.
Anyway agree that the breech mount from various makes of lenses (even some Canon) can take a few seconds longer to mount, but I'm not in a hurry on a film camera, and find that if you make sure the knurled ring is fully to the left before mounting, you can then spin the knurled ring to the right to lock.


PostPosted: Fri May 02, 2014 5:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
The Canon R-FL-FD lens mount has a history of highly polarized opinion. I started using Canons at age fifteen, understood immediately how it operated and never had a moment of trouble with it. Perhaps I'm among the minority. Most of the second hand Canon SLRs I've bought show the scars from attempts at improper lens mounting.

The upper end of independently manufactured lenses seem to make the Canon mount quite well. The low end stuff shows loose tolerances and can be a nuisance.
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