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alaios
Joined: 24 Jan 2014 Posts: 724
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Posted: Sun Apr 27, 2014 7:25 pm Post subject: Show us the bad lens |
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alaios wrote:
Hi,
I am looking on lenses reviews and pretty much everyone looks happy happy. I was just wondering if one can share an example of a lens that was finding results as bad!
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aoleg
Joined: 22 Feb 2008 Posts: 1387 Location: Berlin, DE
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Posted: Sun Apr 27, 2014 7:50 pm Post subject: |
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aoleg wrote:
I wasn't happy with MC Zenitar 50/1.9. Rather soft wide open, very low contrast and extremely prone to flare.
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kryss
Joined: 13 Sep 2009 Posts: 2169 Location: Canada
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Posted: Sun Apr 27, 2014 8:32 pm Post subject: |
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kryss wrote:
Maybe saved with PP, nice colours & hope you don't mind.Regards
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ForenSeil
Joined: 15 Apr 2011 Posts: 2726 Location: Kiel, Germany.
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Posted: Sun Apr 27, 2014 8:47 pm Post subject: |
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ForenSeil wrote:
Bad reviews are rare because we wan't to resell our lenses
Also bad lenses are often not worth to make a review.
I wasn't happy with Industar-61 55/2.8 L/D for example
For my taste terrible colors and it suffered from flaring, low resolution (sweet spot F8-F11), low speed, vignetting, distortion,...
Tarcus 50mm F1.3 - terrible CAs, vignetting, etc., also stopped down very noticable.
Olympus OM 50/1.2 - the softest 50mm lens I've ever seen and not even cheap Used it only once and sold it immediatly
Jupiter-8 and -8M 50/2 - Often it has good reviews, but in terms of sharpness, contrast, distortion,... it's (or at least my copies were) almost always inferior to all more modern 50mm lenses from Minolta, Konica, Canon,.... - only good point to use it is that it has LTM RF-coupling (though my copies were always slightly inaccurate), it's compact and has smooth bokeh. I hope some people here won't kill me now for telling this
Voigtländer Nokton 50/1.1 - Decent sharpness wide open, nice build, but mediocre oof-transition and quite bad bokeh, and it don't gets decent when stopped down, which I would expect more for an 800€ (used) lens.
Voigtländer Nokton 35/1.4 - Quite soft wide open, glowy, CA's, vignetting, coma,... also still not decent when stopped down, maybe even Konica AR 40/1.8 is better ... I didn't like it at all for its price. Though it's said to work much better on FF sensors (I've used it on NEX-C3)
Leitz Elmarit-M 90/2.8 (first version I think) - The copy I had was just terrible. Terribly low contrast, soft wide open,... I'm still not sure if it was only my copy, but it was bad optically. Later versions are said to be mega-awesome though.
There are many other rather crappy (in terms of sharpness) lenses I had but at least they have some interesting characterisitics, like Domiplans and other triplet lenses around 50mm.
I also had maaaany zooms and mirror lenses I wasn't happy with, both vintage and quite modern, some really eye-raping for my taste Especially some japanese zoom lenses were making an simple Tessar looking like an Zeiss Otus.
I could give you more bad reviews if you need them _________________ I'm not a collector, I'm a tester
My camera: Sony A7+Zeiss Sonnar 55/1.8
Current favourite lenses (I have many more):
A few macro-Tominons, Samyang 12/2.8, Noritsu 50.7/9.5, Rodagon 105/5.6 on bellows, Samyang 135/2, Nikon ED 180/2.8, Leitz Elmar-R 250/4, Celestron C8 2000mm F10
Most wanted: Samyang 24/1.4, Samyang 35/1.4, Nikon 200/2 ED
My Blog: http://picturechemistry.own-blog.com/
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Pontus
Joined: 18 Dec 2011 Posts: 1471 Location: Jakobstad, Finland
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Posted: Sun Apr 27, 2014 8:55 pm Post subject: |
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Pontus wrote:
ForenSeil wrote: |
Bad reviews are rare because we wan't to resell our lenses |
Now this is true _________________ Follow this link for my FOR SALE list (partially updated 19.11.2015) |
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fermy
Joined: 17 Feb 2012 Posts: 1974
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Posted: Sun Apr 27, 2014 9:46 pm Post subject: |
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fermy wrote:
aoleg wrote: |
I wasn't happy with MC Zenitar 50/1.9. Rather soft wide open, very low contrast and extremely prone to flare.
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Pretty much the same as my pre-war Leitz Summar 50/2. However, despite its technical flaws, it's one of my favourite lenses.
http://forum.mflenses.com/leitz-summar-2-50mm-from-1937-t57300.html
PP does wonders for those type of lenses as kryss so ably shown
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aoleg
Joined: 22 Feb 2008 Posts: 1387 Location: Berlin, DE
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Posted: Sun Apr 27, 2014 9:56 pm Post subject: |
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aoleg wrote:
kryss wrote: |
Maybe saved with PP, nice colours & hope you don't mind.Regards
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That I did, post-processing doesn't help much. No way of getting true colors and natural contrast. Wide open, this lens was a "special effect" lens for me. It could be that I had an especially bad sample though. _________________ List of lenses |
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Attila
Joined: 24 Feb 2007 Posts: 57865 Location: Hungary
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Posted: Sun Apr 27, 2014 10:01 pm Post subject: |
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Attila wrote:
Pontus wrote: |
ForenSeil wrote: |
Bad reviews are rare because we wan't to resell our lenses |
Now this is true |
yes
seriously trash lens not go to sell by me , it's going to trash bin.
often lens has issues itself , dust inside much, many micro marks, miss aligned elements.
So A people say nice, B people say crappy..
Remarkable trash in my experience many 'noname' Japanese zooms and primes sometimes. _________________ -------------------------------
Items on sale on Ebay
Sony NEX-7 Carl Zeiss Planar 85mm f1.4, Minolta MD 35mm f1.8, Konica 135mm f2.5, Minolta MD 50mm f1.2, Minolta MD 250mm f5.6, Carl Zeiss Sonnar 180mm f2.8
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Excalibur
Joined: 19 Jul 2009 Posts: 5017 Location: UK
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Posted: Sun Apr 27, 2014 10:09 pm Post subject: |
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Excalibur wrote:
Surely the final judgment for results from an old lens should be :- If it's crap on a film camera AND 4/3 and full frame digital camera, then it must be crap. _________________ Canon A1, AV1, T70 & T90, EOS 300 and EOS300v, Chinon CE and CP-7M. Contax 139, Fuji STX-2, Konica Autoreflex TC, FS-1, FT-1, Minolta X-700, X-300, XD-11, SRT101b, Nikon EM, FM, F4, F90X, Olympus OM2, Pentax S3, Spotmatic, Pentax ME super, Praktica TL 5B, & BC1, , Ricoh KR10super, Yashica T5D, Bronica Etrs, Mamiya RB67 pro AND drum roll:- a Sony Nex 3
.........past gear Tele Rolleiflex and Rollei SL66.
Many lenses from good to excellent. |
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Attila
Joined: 24 Feb 2007 Posts: 57865 Location: Hungary
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Posted: Sun Apr 27, 2014 10:37 pm Post subject: |
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Attila wrote:
Most sensitive device to lens quality is small sensor in my experience, m4/3, all others more forgivable to lenses. _________________ -------------------------------
Items on sale on Ebay
Sony NEX-7 Carl Zeiss Planar 85mm f1.4, Minolta MD 35mm f1.8, Konica 135mm f2.5, Minolta MD 50mm f1.2, Minolta MD 250mm f5.6, Carl Zeiss Sonnar 180mm f2.8
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kryss
Joined: 13 Sep 2009 Posts: 2169 Location: Canada
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Posted: Sun Apr 27, 2014 10:46 pm Post subject: |
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kryss wrote:
Fermy....thanks for compliment,I shoot mainly Macro flora and love your tulips.
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Dogtag
Joined: 27 Jul 2013 Posts: 164 Location: Holland del norte
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Posted: Mon Apr 28, 2014 6:14 pm Post subject: |
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Dogtag wrote:
I'm sorry I don't know many crap lenses, I love the effects of the crappy fujinon 35mm and cheap ass pentacon auto 50mm, some are soft others are soft and low in colours and contrast but if you go for a real vintage look anything goes. Even with a crappy lens you can still take nice pictures. There are really crappy lenses like the plastic/toy lenses etc. but most glass optics are fun to play with when you accept their short comings (and that might be hard when you're used to CZ or modern AF lenses . )
All these older MF lenses have a character of their own, if you want crap buy a canon 18-55 AF lens.
There are sufficient sub standard lenses out there, I'm talking to you pangagor, pentor & avanar. but looking at pictures from 'crappy' lenses on a sony a7, compared to the 18-55 lens (sony and canon) I had in the past.. I rather have 10 so called crappy old lenses
fermy wrote: |
aoleg wrote: |
I wasn't happy with MC Zenitar 50/1.9. Rather soft wide open, very low contrast and extremely prone to flare.
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Pretty much the same as my pre-war Leitz Summar 50/2. However, despite its technical flaws, it's one of my favourite lenses.
http://forum.mflenses.com/leitz-summar-2-50mm-from-1937-t57300.html
PP does wonders for those type of lenses as kryss so ably shown
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I actually like that picture!! The bokeh and softness is a great match. _________________ Konica AR fan
Konica AR, 135/2.5 135/3.2 135/3.5 100/2.8 85/1.8 55/3.5-macro 57/1.2 57/1.4 50/1.4 52/1.8 50/1.7(3x) 40/1.8 35/2.8 35/2 28/1.8 24/2.8
Missing UC 15mm and 21mm |
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ForenSeil
Joined: 15 Apr 2011 Posts: 2726 Location: Kiel, Germany.
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Posted: Mon Apr 28, 2014 6:21 pm Post subject: |
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ForenSeil wrote:
Attila wrote: |
Most sensitive device to lens quality is small sensor in my experience, m4/3, all others more forgivable to lenses. |
Well depends on if there's an sweet spot and if yes how large it is.
µFT needs high center peformance, FF needs very good corner performance, 1.5x APS-C is least demanding most non-tele vintage lenses in my experience
Attila wrote: |
Pontus wrote: |
ForenSeil wrote: |
Bad reviews are rare because we wan't to resell our lenses |
Now this is true |
yes
seriously trash lens not go to sell by me , it's going to trash bin.
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I'm never selling real crap lenses (sigma, makinon,...) aswell, they are dying for experiements or rotting in an box... _________________ I'm not a collector, I'm a tester
My camera: Sony A7+Zeiss Sonnar 55/1.8
Current favourite lenses (I have many more):
A few macro-Tominons, Samyang 12/2.8, Noritsu 50.7/9.5, Rodagon 105/5.6 on bellows, Samyang 135/2, Nikon ED 180/2.8, Leitz Elmar-R 250/4, Celestron C8 2000mm F10
Most wanted: Samyang 24/1.4, Samyang 35/1.4, Nikon 200/2 ED
My Blog: http://picturechemistry.own-blog.com/
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alaios
Joined: 24 Jan 2014 Posts: 724
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Posted: Mon Apr 28, 2014 7:59 pm Post subject: |
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alaios wrote:
If the freshman can still have the same.. I can not see how a lens can destroy a good composition.
Let the flam start! |
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tromboads
Joined: 29 May 2012 Posts: 1655 Location: Melbourne AU
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Posted: Mon Apr 28, 2014 9:13 pm Post subject: |
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tromboads wrote:
+1 If the picture is well planned and prepared, lens, camera, all that wank just doesn't matter.
And because of that, all my lenses outstrip my capacity for artistic vision |
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fermy
Joined: 17 Feb 2012 Posts: 1974
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Posted: Mon Apr 28, 2014 9:16 pm Post subject: |
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fermy wrote:
Dogtag wrote: |
I actually like that picture!! The bokeh and softness is a great match. |
Ha, I like that picture as well. As I said, technically the lens is flawed by today's standards, but it's one of my favourites.
Kryss, thanks for the compliment. |
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kryss
Joined: 13 Sep 2009 Posts: 2169 Location: Canada
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Posted: Mon Apr 28, 2014 9:44 pm Post subject: |
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kryss wrote:
fermy...... My pleasure. I may be interested in your Tair kit if shipping to Canada postal code T2H 1B7 is acceptable,even deep sea.Regards. _________________ Do not trust Atoms....they make up everything. |
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ForenSeil
Joined: 15 Apr 2011 Posts: 2726 Location: Kiel, Germany.
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Posted: Mon Apr 28, 2014 10:47 pm Post subject: |
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ForenSeil wrote:
tromboads wrote: |
+1 If the picture is well planned and prepared, lens, camera, all that wank just doesn't matter.
And because of that, all my lenses outstrip my capacity for artistic vision |
Maybe you've never had a really crappy lens ?
Of course you can make great pictures with rather crappy lenses but the same pictures are generally getting better with better lenses _________________ I'm not a collector, I'm a tester
My camera: Sony A7+Zeiss Sonnar 55/1.8
Current favourite lenses (I have many more):
A few macro-Tominons, Samyang 12/2.8, Noritsu 50.7/9.5, Rodagon 105/5.6 on bellows, Samyang 135/2, Nikon ED 180/2.8, Leitz Elmar-R 250/4, Celestron C8 2000mm F10
Most wanted: Samyang 24/1.4, Samyang 35/1.4, Nikon 200/2 ED
My Blog: http://picturechemistry.own-blog.com/
(German language) |
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Attila
Joined: 24 Feb 2007 Posts: 57865 Location: Hungary
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Posted: Mon Apr 28, 2014 11:07 pm Post subject: |
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Attila wrote:
People often tell on failure 'art' instead of trash _________________ -------------------------------
Items on sale on Ebay
Sony NEX-7 Carl Zeiss Planar 85mm f1.4, Minolta MD 35mm f1.8, Konica 135mm f2.5, Minolta MD 50mm f1.2, Minolta MD 250mm f5.6, Carl Zeiss Sonnar 180mm f2.8
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Lloydy
Joined: 02 Sep 2009 Posts: 7794 Location: Ironbridge. UK.
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Posted: Mon Apr 28, 2014 11:24 pm Post subject: |
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Lloydy wrote:
Attila wrote: |
People often tell on failure 'art' instead of trash |
I can't believe anyone here would do that Attila, we have high standards ! _________________ LENSES & CAMERAS FOR SALE.....
I have loads of stuff that I have to get rid of, if you see me commenting about something I have got and you want one, ask me.
My Flickr https://www.flickr.com/photos/mudplugga/
My ipernity -
http://www.ipernity.com/home/294337 |
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Attila
Joined: 24 Feb 2007 Posts: 57865 Location: Hungary
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Posted: Mon Apr 28, 2014 11:35 pm Post subject: |
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Attila wrote:
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Items on sale on Ebay
Sony NEX-7 Carl Zeiss Planar 85mm f1.4, Minolta MD 35mm f1.8, Konica 135mm f2.5, Minolta MD 50mm f1.2, Minolta MD 250mm f5.6, Carl Zeiss Sonnar 180mm f2.8
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kryss
Joined: 13 Sep 2009 Posts: 2169 Location: Canada
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Posted: Tue Apr 29, 2014 2:00 am Post subject: |
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kryss wrote:
Lloyd... thanks for the belly laugh,I needed it. _________________ Do not trust Atoms....they make up everything. |
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fermy
Joined: 17 Feb 2012 Posts: 1974
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Posted: Tue Apr 29, 2014 3:09 am Post subject: |
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fermy wrote:
kryss wrote: |
fermy...... My pleasure. I may be interested in your Tair kit if shipping to Canada postal code T2H 1B7 is acceptable,even deep sea.Regards. |
Kryss, I'll ship anywhere where dhl goes. Deep sea is not on the list, but Canada is. PM sent. _________________ Many lenses and some film bodies for sale here: http://forum.mflenses.com/canon-fd-minolta-md-c-mounts-m42-pentax-and-more-t50465.html
Flickr http://www.flickr.com/photos/96060788@N06/ |
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Billou
Joined: 01 Feb 2013 Posts: 169 Location: Germany
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Posted: Tue Apr 29, 2014 7:19 am Post subject: |
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Billou wrote:
I bought a Hoya 135/2.8 in a garage sale for cheap, I had some expectations because it's hard to fail with a 135/2.8, and their 28/2.8 is rather nice... But this is just terrible. Soft until f/8, no character, even the lens is ugly to look at. Stay away from it. |
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memetph
Joined: 01 Dec 2013 Posts: 940 Location: Poland
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Posted: Tue Apr 29, 2014 8:08 am Post subject: |
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memetph wrote:
Color Skopar 35/2.5 simply does not work with my A7 ( vignette, color shift) , a big disappointment.
The Helios 44 ( 2 samples) with the same A7 . |
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