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bychance
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 Posted: Fri Apr 04, 2014 2:29 pm Post subject: Good price? |
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bychance wrote:
Was this a good deal
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/301134604518?_trksid=p2055119.m1438.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT
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elliott
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| Posted: Fri Apr 04, 2014 3:03 pm Post subject: Re: Good price? |
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elliott wrote:
Looks to be on the low side of the average going price, but they don't say what the mount is and there is no picture. Ones that can be used on DSLRs usually go higher. |
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shapencolour
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shapencolour wrote:
This is a damned good price for such a lens,provided it's in good/acceptable overall conditions.
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| Posted: Fri Apr 04, 2014 6:02 pm Post subject: |
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iangreenhalgh1 wrote:
Expensive. You can buy the much superior Nikon 2.8/24 for less.
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guardian
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| Posted: Fri Apr 04, 2014 6:50 pm Post subject: |
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guardian wrote:
| shapencolour wrote: |
| This is a damned good price for such a lens,provided it's in good/acceptable overall conditions. |
+1
Sales here in USA range from this, for a compromised example:
Click here to see on Ebay
to this, for a lens in primo shape:
Click here to see on Ebay
Much depends, of course, on condition and mount. |
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bychance
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| Posted: Fri Apr 04, 2014 7:23 pm Post subject: |
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bychance wrote:
If you look at the lens its an F2
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iangreenhalgh1
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iangreenhalgh1 wrote:
Yes, and it's soft at f2, doesn't get sharp until f4 so the f2 is of no advantage, just marketing. It's made by Komine, it's a good lens but needs to be stopped down to produce sharp images. The Tokina 2.8/24 is sharper in the centre at f2.8 than this Komine is at f2 by a noticeable amount. Anyways, who shoots a 24mm lens wide open?
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guardian
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| Posted: Fri Apr 04, 2014 7:41 pm Post subject: |
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guardian wrote:
| bychance wrote: |
| If you look at the lens its an F2 |
+1
It took me a moment to catch that earlier. I don't own a 24mm f2 lens; was thinking early on it was an f2.8, but caught up.
Also, when pricing lenses I always check apples to apples. There are still, despite that, many variables which influence price: condition, mount, stuff you cannot even see in so many auction descriptions. These things, and others, make comparison pricing a challenge. Running dissimilar comps is simply a bridge too far, IMO. |
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iangreenhalgh1
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iangreenhalgh1 wrote:
If you think it's worth more than an f2.8/24 because it's f2 then you've fallen for a marketing trick. The lens simply isn't any good at f2 and is not better than most 2.8/24s in any regard.
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marcusBMG
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marcusBMG wrote:
That's the (more highly rated) kiron not the komine. I bid on that lens but wasn't prepared to go higher than 40 without knowing the mount. And whether the blades are clean.
While I tend to agree with you that the f2 is of limited value Ian, 60-80 is pretty commonly what these go for.
How did I miss those superwides!!
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guardian
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guardian wrote:
| iangreenhalgh1 wrote: |
| If you think it's worth more than an f2.8/24 because it's f2 then you've fallen for a marketing trick. The lens simply isn't any good at f2 and is not better than most 2.8/24s in any regard. |
Acknowledged and accepted. No challenge from me, at least, on that.
But I was earlier attempting solely to respond to the interrogatory in the OP, not questioning the OP's judgement regarding purchase of this lens vs. a slower one. I make some pretty questionable purchase decisions myself, frankly; so am poorly placed to criticize that aspect. My 24mm lenses, three I think (not 100% sure) in all, are f2.8. But I acknowledge other 24mm MF buyers might make different buying decisions for reasons unknown to me. When I was researching this for the OP, I found many purchases of the f2 24mm lenses. I assume those buyers had their personal reasons for purchase. They put quite a bit of money behind their reasons, I can report that.
But regardless, I was merely wanting to offer OP comps from this side of the pond, since this is the only side I work (did see some interesting MF lens offerings from South Africa today, though . . . shipping was too high to allow any purchases  ) |
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scsambrook wrote:
| iangreenhalgh1 wrote: |
| If you think it's worth more than an f2.8/24 because it's f2 then you've fallen for a marketing trick. The lens simply isn't any good at f2 and is not better than most 2.8/24s in any regard. |
I have no idea of whether that was a high or low price, but let's not forget that it will let you shoot at half the shutter speed of an f2.8 lens and camera shake is a bigger sharpness killer than relatively poor definition. It's easy to overlook the fact that these wide aperture lenses were intended to be used in low lighting conditions where speed took priority over absolute performance. And do remember that they sold at a fraction of the price of the 'big name' lenses. I really don't think we can say that there's any kind of a marketing trick involved . . .
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